How did wcs destroy the foreign scene lol, 2k $ for challenger seems pretty good to me, and it's a goal that even non-pro players can achieve.
go look at the number of different foreign tournaments that you had at the end of WoL and compare it to how many you have today. wcs has consumed pretty much everything, and with the stupid high variance format they have it's not good for players. it's exactly the same problem korea had for years
SPL and SSSL have higher production value, are way more coustomer orientated and have a very good vod system.
When I watch GSL, I use the mobile VOD system to watch their VODs, which are not published to public on their youtube account yet, about 1 sec on my mobile phone and then switch to my pc or tv and watch them from there due to the recent videos in the youtube list.
How did wcs destroy the foreign scene lol, 2k $ for challenger seems pretty good to me, and it's a goal that even non-pro players can achieve.
go look at the number of different foreign tournaments that you had at the end of WoL and compare it to how many you have today. wcs has consumed pretty much everything, and with the stupid high variance format they have it's not good for players. it's exactly the same problem korea had for years
yeah and at end of WoL tournaments got 8 times more viewers + people were expecting it to get bigger. I wonder if that has anything to do with the number of tournaments aswell.
How did wcs destroy the foreign scene lol, 2k $ for challenger seems pretty good to me, and it's a goal that even non-pro players can achieve.
go look at the number of different foreign tournaments that you had at the end of WoL and compare it to how many you have today. wcs has consumed pretty much everything, and with the stupid high variance format they have it's not good for players. it's exactly the same problem korea had for years
Uhm, wasn't SC2, like, at a much earlier point in its steep decline at the end of WoL? You're talking about a period in time when the game was relatively new and popular and people were still optimistic. Is it really surprising that there are fewer tournaments now than there were in 2012? The world has moved on.
On June 10 2015 16:15 str10_hurts wrote: I am ok with that. When I was a student I watched it on low. I got free entertainment! Now that I work I pay for the stream, I save money by not investing in crap programmes on tv.
Lets be honest, the GSL is by far the best SC2 show out there. (and probably the most expensive to produce) Yes other shows have good stuff, but really the GSL is were it is.
the casting is really bad compared to proleague though and this shitting on foreigner fans thing is getting really annoying really quickly.
Do you honestly think that Moonglade and Valdes are better casters than Tasteless and Artosis?
It's so hard for me to believe that this decision actually makes any sense for GOM. What makes them different from literally every other organization, SC2 or otherwise, that makes it so they can't provide a watchable foreign stream?
From the sound of the message it seems like gom really needs that money to continue broadcasting the gsl. If it's out of necessity i will accept that, better than having no gsl at all.
On June 10 2015 16:15 str10_hurts wrote: I am ok with that. When I was a student I watched it on low. I got free entertainment! Now that I work I pay for the stream, I save money by not investing in crap programmes on tv.
Lets be honest, the GSL is by far the best SC2 show out there. (and probably the most expensive to produce) Yes other shows have good stuff, but really the GSL is were it is.
the casting is really bad compared to proleague though and this shitting on foreigner fans thing is getting really annoying really quickly.
Do you honestly think that Moonglade and Valdes are better casters than Tasteless and Artosis?
I think so: Valdes has the voice and the ability to hype, Moonglade the knowledge. What does Tasteless and Artosis have? Game of Throne talks during the games? More Offtopic?
On June 10 2015 23:28 Deathstar wrote: $8 too much for you people? watch the korean stream, watch on low, sub, or don't watch. Why so mad
there is an upcoming big SC2 event in Toronto and its 3 or 4 days long.
the individual day $8 tickets are sold out. the $20 full event passes are still available.
even small amounts of cash seem to be an issue.
$20 for 3 days is amazing.. i can't think of any live event .. even a baseball game which is a 7 day per week sport.. that has tickets priced that low.
On June 10 2015 23:28 Deathstar wrote: $8 too much for you people? watch the korean stream, watch on low, sub, or don't watch. Why so mad
there is an upcoming big SC2 event in Toronto and its 3 or 4 days long.
the individual day $8 tickets are sold out. the $20 full event passes are still available.
even small amounts of cash seem to be an issue.
$20 for 3 days is amazing.. i can't think of any live event .. even a baseball game which is a 7 day per week sport.. that has tickets priced that low.
only the day 2 and 3 (sat and sun) tickets that are sold out, so I think that's more of an issue of local people who work or whatever who can't make it on friday but want to go saturday and sunday
unacceptable imo, i even turned off adblock for a week but they are really spamming commercials its insane, didnt get to se any of the inbetwen game analytics or here the casters make their predictions or strategy analytics. wcs ro32 and 16 had this problem aswell. so i turned it back on. will not watch gsl anymore.
On June 10 2015 16:15 str10_hurts wrote: I am ok with that. When I was a student I watched it on low. I got free entertainment! Now that I work I pay for the stream, I save money by not investing in crap programmes on tv.
Lets be honest, the GSL is by far the best SC2 show out there. (and probably the most expensive to produce) Yes other shows have good stuff, but really the GSL is were it is.
the casting is really bad compared to proleague though and this shitting on foreigner fans thing is getting really annoying really quickly.
Do you honestly think that Moonglade and Valdes are better casters than Tasteless and Artosis?
I think so: Valdes has the voice and the ability to hype, Moonglade the knowledge. What does Tasteless and Artosis have? Game of Throne talks during the games? More Offtopic?
I'll give you Moonglade. I actually thought he and Tasteless or he and Artosis were pretty good. Because Moonglade is often talking more about the game, it really forces his partner to also talk about the game. But Moonglade also has a pretty dark and funny sense of humor sometimes, so he is a pretty good balance. Wolf is not exciting. I can't stand Valdes.
On June 10 2015 17:51 xdevilx2 wrote: If they struggle with money then I doubt that the few extra subs that they will get help. I mean thats maybe 200$ more?
And were did you get those figures?
Regarding the money side of this decision.
Essentially, this move hurts the english viewership only. As far as I know, the majority of sponsors of the GSL do not have the english audience as a target group. So increased english viewership offers nothing to Gom. Therefore its absolutely reasonable to "charge extra" simply because neither GOM nor their sponsors were benefitting from english viewership in the first place.
The only reason to provide a free HD stream is because the additional exposure offers enough value to the sponsors to compensate the provider of the service (which would be the Goms, Dreahhacks, IEMs) to not put up a paywall.
Most reasonable economic "growth models" would advice against this sort of move. But for an organisation with no intent on expanding or bringing in foreign "investment" - aka sponsors - there is really nothing to say against it.
Happy to hear counter arguments :D
On June 10 2015 17:35 Orlok wrote: While I might sound biased, being Korean and getting free HD quality and vods, I think this move is inevitable. While people say GSL is the most prestigious tournament in SC2, thats a thing of the past. Right now, even in the so called better production, better everything S3SL or Proleague, the korean viewership on Youtube and Naver totals just around 4~5000 viewers each, not all of them Korean, or at least that's the average viewer number I've seen so far (If I'm wrong, please correct me). On twitch, it averages around 10,000 viewers and 15000 to 20000 in the finals or important matches. Korean viewership is really not at an all high level despite the current dip in popularity LOL has at the moment. ...
Here you are.
If sponsors don't focus on Foreign audience, then I guess I could make a LOT of money by going teaching business in KR.
On June 10 2015 16:15 str10_hurts wrote: I am ok with that. When I was a student I watched it on low. I got free entertainment! Now that I work I pay for the stream, I save money by not investing in crap programmes on tv.
Lets be honest, the GSL is by far the best SC2 show out there. (and probably the most expensive to produce) Yes other shows have good stuff, but really the GSL is were it is.
the casting is really bad compared to proleague though and this shitting on foreigner fans thing is getting really annoying really quickly.
Do you honestly think that Moonglade and Valdes are better casters than Tasteless and Artosis?
I think so: Valdes has the voice and the ability to hype, Moonglade the knowledge. What does Tasteless and Artosis have? Game of Throne talks during the games? More Offtopic?
It's their style. I'm pretty sure the duo can do what you'd expect from Moonglade and Valdes. They've shown that on events outside of GSL. However, they choose not to. This is good for me. Unless you are really new to sc2, you'd appreciate their sense of humour more than stating what's obvious. It gives the VODs good replay value. Also, tastosis do a good job when they are talking about the game. They frequently talk about what A can do and how B can block it, and with good accuracy whenever they decide to get serious. Moonglade and Valdes however, talk a lot on the fly and therefore without impact. They only state what's there in front of them and don't look/elaborate further like tastosis do. This is due to tastosis' experience of casting sc2 since WoL and I prefer this than sth like "Life's losing another base, he's in trouble!"
Moreover, may I need to remind you that Moonglade and Valdes tend to forget matches that even happened on the same week? They try to think about what's on the meta and what could happen based on recent events and they fail at it. They forget what actually happened, let alone remember the names of players that played the games that week!
And Valdes has the ability to hype? You mean repeat "Huge advantage!", "Huge engagement" up to the point where you can play a drinking game on? Please. Whenever someone uses such a general term all the time, it is to cover one's lack of knowledge of the subject. And if he hypes an engagement as if that's all that mattered (eg shutdown on drop attempt), and deceives the audience that the match is over when it's not, would you call him professional, would call him good at hyping things? No. I'd label him misleading and therefore not useful in the cast.
Now I presume Valdes and Moonglade are both wonderful and cheerful individuals and I expect good things and great professional careers for doing what they're passionate about. However likewise, you have to give Artosis and Tasteless credit for innovating a new style of casting that is both casual yet effective. I've not seen ANYTHING like it in other esports or sports casting, and I hope that the duo goes on and brings new things on the table for the whole world of entertainment to enjoy.
*disclaimer: When I stated "shutdown on drop attempt" as an example, I was not sure if Valdes actually wrongly hyped that. However, everyone's very welcome to disprove what I have stated on Valdes as I have watched plenty of his VODs.
Desperate tactics will not encourage me to do anything. If GoMTV truly is struggling that much, they might as well go bankrupt instead of going through these death throes.
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