On June 10 2015 21:34 SC2Toastie wrote: I have to say, the quality on Low was pretty decent today
It seemed better than their medium even, better bitrate I presume
Plot twist: Official statement designed to purposely piss off viewers by insisting that only Low quality is available, when secretly they've increased all quality so that viewers are actually watching in better resolution... survey taken in one month to test out whether or not the viewers realize they've been watching a better stream, or if they're too stuck on the label of Low vs. Medium.
On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote: That's good for O'Gaming
why? (honest question)
O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming, since afaik O'Gaming is the only source of HQ GSL for non-subscribers.
ok, done! French stream muted, and english stream with sound in another tab at the same time. Both get ad time, everyone wins!
As a religious proleague and S2SL viewer, I stopped watching GSL the first time they switched to low quality. Didn't realize they went back to medium until this thread, lol. I guess I will continue to go on forgetting GSL even exists.
GOM's day in the sun as the only source of Korean sc2 has passed. Proleague/S2SL is simply better in every possible way... Better production quality? Check. Better English casters? Check. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say they have better gameplay, probably because all the Kespa players get to play in the same arena they're used to for proleague.
It's not that I mind paying for things I enjoy... I was once a subscription holder for GSL as well as a proleague subscriber. But GOM has garnered a reputation as a money sucking grub for me. They are still operating as if they still have a monopoly on quality sc2. The only way a medium free stream costs them more is if people are choosing not to buy the cow because they're getting the milk for free... but by trying to force people to buy the cow, they're simply encouraging them to go down the road to the next farmer who can then entice them for business.
On June 10 2015 15:56 Nezgar wrote: I've been very disappointed with Tastosis for a while now, lowering the stream quality back to low again will probably seal the deal for me. It's just a string of very very poor developments in recent times when it comes to the GSL: -VoD system gone -Code A gone -Tastosis in a passion slump -a lot of problems with laggy/stuttering streams -low quality
I really can't think of any reason why I should pay for the GSL at the moment. S3SL and SPL are both more entertaining and have a better production quality. But instead of taking this as an opportunity to win back the hearts of the fans GOM decides to slam the door shut. Whatever, I don't even care at this point anymore.
Oh, and this is coming from someone who used to pay for GSL for quite a while...
I hate when people lie to try to get you to give them their money. Their investment in stream equipment and venue has already been made. What should matter next is actually creating great content so that people then decide hey, they are worth giving money to after all.
While I agree with the notion that they already bought the equipment, they do have other sources that cost money, sound/production/casters, etc. I don't agree with their step, but saying they have no other cost after buying equipment is a little short sighted imo.
On June 10 2015 20:12 xM(Z wrote: does anyone even know what's the price difference between broadcasting in Low quality vs broadcasting in Medium?. i thought twitch gives quality settings on streams for free provided you get a number of X viewers.
I thought you always broadcast on source quality, the changes made for the other qualities high, medium, and low are made in the dashboard. Also the bitrate changes, and actual scaling happens on the Twitch server side of things, so saying production cost increased because of streaming on medium is just blatantly lying to your "would be customers".
I would be understanding of this fact if it wasn't for the fact that none of the korean sites have a pay wall, all GSL(high wcs tournaments) are supposed to have 720p at least etc. etc.
It's just a greedy justification, and when put into perspective they are literally just to try to make money off international fans.
This alone wouldn't be a problem, because obviously companies have to make money, but to essentially make the tournament unwatchable and then say 'oh we are not profiting enough' yet allowing another source quality location for free and restricting its access makes this decision ... sort of questionable at best.
Very questionable! Though GSL and SSl don't fall under the WCS rules afaik.
I hate when people lie to try to get you to give them their money. Their investment in stream equipment and venue has already been made. What should matter next is actually creating great content so that people then decide hey, they are worth giving money to after all.
While I agree with the notion that they already bought the equipment, they do have other sources that cost money, sound/production/casters, etc. I don't agree with their step, but saying they have no other cost after buying equipment is a little short sighted imo.
On June 10 2015 20:12 xM(Z wrote: does anyone even know what's the price difference between broadcasting in Low quality vs broadcasting in Medium?. i thought twitch gives quality settings on streams for free provided you get a number of X viewers.
I thought you always broadcast on source quality, the changes made for the other qualities high, medium, and low are made in the dashboard. Also the bitrate changes, and actual scaling happens on the Twitch server side of things, so saying production cost increased because of streaming on medium is just blatantly lying to your "would be customers".
The cost between HD and low (not even medium) is already paid for... (how else could subscribers watch HD?)
That's basically what I meant with " They broadcast on source quality." So I agree.
I never understood why blizzard allowed GOM to give anything less than 1080p for free stream after GSL was given such a big role in the WCS. I mean the quality is free for similar tournaments of LoL and DotA? Is blizzard trying to compete in the eSport scene or have they just gave up?
Well i guess the news be relevant to me anyway since "medium" is just not enough. Rip.
On June 10 2015 22:22 NasusAndDraven wrote: I never understood why blizzard allowed GOM to give anything less than 1080p for free stream after GSL was given such a big role in the WCS. I mean the quality is free for similar tournaments of LoL and DotA? Is blizzard trying to compete in the eSport scene or have they just gave up?
Blizzard hasn't given up on competing in the esports scene, they've just given up on Starcraft being their flagship game in the esports scene
well since i'm paying for gsl anyway it does not really affect me since i think one can invest a few bucks to watch the world's highest level of starcraft over multiple months but i still don't see how providing only low quality instead of medium is gonna help them or anybody... the low quality stream is virtually unwatchable so viewer numbers will decrease drastically i suppose, not sure what they aim to achieve with this because i dont think it will lead many people to subscribe that didn't already do that before...
I don't think they get it. In "low" you have to stress your eyes out to see the numbers. Provide us with a "low" where you can still make out the numbers and no one would be complaining.
On June 10 2015 22:22 NasusAndDraven wrote: I never understood why blizzard allowed GOM to give anything less than 1080p for free stream after GSL was given such a big role in the WCS. I mean the quality is free for similar tournaments of LoL and DotA? Is blizzard trying to compete in the eSport scene or have they just gave up?
Blizzard hasn't given up on competing in the esports scene, they've just given up on Starcraft being their flagship game in the esports scene
I'd like to talk with the people at GOMTV who are in charge of strategy deicions like this that (I feel) will just hasten any death knells we will soon be seeing (like this quality change).
Why dont they reach out to the community more on how to stay profitable? They clearly are attempting to, just picking their own methods (like the quality change).
I'm sure if they asked their customers what we wanted, or wanted to pay for we could give good ideas. Better than this strategy, which will probably find us mourning the GSL in less than a year (RIP 2010-2016).
On June 10 2015 22:35 Defessus wrote: I'd like to talk with the people at GOMTV who are in charge of strategy deicions like this that (I feel) will just hasten any death knells we will soon be seeing (like this quality change).
Why dont they reach out to the community more on how to stay profitable? They clearly are attempting to, just picking their own methods (like the quality change).
On June 10 2015 15:56 Nezgar wrote: I've been very disappointed with Tastosis for a while now, lowering the stream quality back to low again will probably seal the deal for me. It's just a string of very very poor developments in recent times when it comes to the GSL: -VoD system gone -Code A gone -Tastosis in a passion slump -a lot of problems with laggy/stuttering streams -low quality
I really can't think of any reason why I should pay for the GSL at the moment. S3SL and SPL are both more entertaining and have a better production quality. But instead of taking this as an opportunity to win back the hearts of the fans GOM decides to slam the door shut. Whatever, I don't even care at this point anymore.
Oh, and this is coming from someone who used to pay for GSL for quite a while...
On June 10 2015 22:22 graNite wrote: i dont even think we should talk about "watching" any more, this has to be the wrong word. you can not do that with this pixel sludge
Indeed on both of these.
I've always said that if they provided at least a HIGH quality free stream, I'd be more willing to support their business model (and no, not just saying that as I have subbed to various streamers/ events etc in the past). I literally cannot and will not support a business model that pisses on the little guy who has to watch a stream that looks like its been put through a blender.
Also will there be much difference? GSL Medium was so bad anyway, it might as well have been low.
But I think it's possible to watch the Korean stream in high quality, so that's what I'll be doing.
Frankly I'd rather they just got rid of the English stream completely, which I never watched regardless of quality due to poor commentary, and just concentrate on providing the Korean stream in a watchable state. If they did that, and actually cleaned up the Korean scene so that I know games were being played legitimately, then I might start watching again, but probably not, WCS destroying the foreign scene and the Korean scene destroying itself has made me lose pretty much all interest in SC2
But I think it's possible to watch the Korean stream in high quality, so that's what I'll be doing.
Frankly I'd rather they just got rid of the English stream completely, which I never watched regardless of quality due to poor commentary, and just concentrate on providing the Korean stream in a watchable state. If they did that, and actually cleaned up the Korean scene so that I know games were being played legitimately, then I might start watching again, but probably not, WCS destroying the foreign scene and the Korean scene destroying itself has made me lose pretty much all interest in SC2
edit - cannot make coherent sentences
How did wcs destroy the foreign scene lol, 2k $ for challenger seems pretty good to me, and it's a goal that even non-pro players can achieve.
EPT
