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KeSPA's official statement on match fixing - Page 7
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Penev
28528 Posts
This is about yet ANOTHER, more recent match | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On May 07 2015 22:11 Luolis wrote: Please go away with your witch hunt and leave actually intelligent people to deal with this stuff  Funny you should say that because most of the intelligent people here are rightfully skeptical given the facts at hand and are also rightfully wary of organizations looking out for their own interests in their official statements. Obviously no one can be 100% sure of anything but people have good cause to be suspicious. | ||
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ThePacifist
Korea (South)46 Posts
On May 08 2015 02:50 Darthsanta13 wrote: So the match that Soulkey refused to fix was not map 1 against Creator. In that case, that might explain how the investor lost money betting on Soulkey even when Soulkey refused to throw. Assuming Soulkey has thrown games in the past, there could be a working relationship between Soulkey and this broker. It's possible that the broker put money on another game before asking Soulkey to throw, assuming Soulkey would do it. If Soulkey refused, then the broker might lose their money. It's possible. Still there's no way to get who was the broker and if Soulkey or other players said OK to the broker. Btw, Unlike MKP's case, The investigation conducted by the Government authority is going on(Gyeonggi Provincial Police Agency, According to the article). So if Soulkey accepted the broker's offer in the past, he will be surly punished by not only Kespa but also Korean law. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
Also, this is a good point to address some of the underlying issues that led/could lead to matchfixing in the scene in general. Namely better salary, better teamhouse conditions, and a more fair prizepool distribution in the Korean scene. For some reason Korean tournaments seem to have very top heavy prizepools, and to spread that wealth around a little more might alleviate some of the financial desperation that can lead a progamer into temptation. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Penev
28528 Posts
On May 08 2015 04:20 Caihead wrote: If a broker / dealer got sent to jail and the police are involved then I don't know what else you want from Kespa, that's about as far as you can go with out witchhunting. The broker called the police himself after being confined/ threatened by some investors; KeSPA had nothing to do with it. They released this statement because their hands were forced (because it involved the questioning of SK as a witness). | ||
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ThePacifist
Korea (South)46 Posts
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padiseal2
Austria721 Posts
On May 08 2015 02:31 ThePacifist wrote: You guys need to know why KeSPA released such statement. It's not about MKP. There was an incident about Soulkey today. http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=382&article_id=0000350211&date=20150507&page=1 (Korean) So this is the article from Sports Donga claims that Soulkey is suspected of involving into match fixing which made the KeSPA to release their statement and also made me(perhaps all sc2 fans) shock. And after more articles released with KeSPA's statement which say the article from Sports Donga has wrong information. They say 'Soulkey didn't accept the offer. It's a confinement case between a broker and investors.'. Here's the one of them : http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015050719452620500 (Korean) So let me summarise the case revealed until now, A Korean betting broker offered to Soulkey for a match fixing. -> Soulkey refused to the offer. -> Investors detained the broker after lost their investment(I'm not sure how they lost their money.) -> The broker felt threatened and asked the police for help -> The police launched an investigation and questioned Soulkey as a witness.(Maybe this is the part where the reporter from Sports Donga wrote the article.) -> After the article, KeSPA released the statement to argue with it. So the statement is not about MKP's case. I don't know MKP did such that horrible thing but i just want to say that why KeSPA released the statement today is not to cover what MKP did. It's about Soulkey. If there's grammatical error, I apologise for that. My English isn't good enough. Why would Kespa throw an investigation and release a statement about a player like Soulkey? He's neither on a Kespa team nor did the allegations concern S2SL or SPL | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 08 2015 06:12 padiseal2 wrote: Why would Kespa throw an investigation and release a statement about a player like Soulkey? He's neither on a Kespa team nor did the allegations concern S2SL or SPL The match was in kespa cup | ||
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Nine Gates
Finland198 Posts
On May 08 2015 06:12 padiseal2 wrote: They concern Kespa Cup. Do you think Kespa runs S2SL but not the Kespa Cup?Why would Kespa throw an investigation and release a statement about a player like Soulkey? He's neither on a Kespa team nor did the allegations concern S2SL or SPL | ||
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Gabranth
3 Posts
On May 07 2015 22:11 Jarree wrote: The probability of all voided matches ending with the result they were heavily bet on, being result of pure luck. Let's illustrate. If I post here a number between 1-10 and then a machine randomly puts out a number between 1 and 10, the odds of me being right is 10%. (as illustrated with 0,5 assuming 50-50 odds between players on average) Now if I do the same thing 5 or 6 times in a row (like the voided bets resulted), the odds of me being just lucky and getting it right are: 0,1^5 = 0,00001 = 0,01% So either I was extremely lucky (0,01%) or the machine was rigged and I knew which number is going to come out (99,99%). Does that make sense? Your chances of being correct 5 times in a row might be 0.0001% but each guess still has a 10% of being correct since they all happen independent of each other. Being correct in one attempt doesn't make you more or less likely to be correct in another. I think you are confusing a number of events with a series of events and the probability of each voided bet being match-fixed should be considered separately. Where did the 50-50 odds come from? It reminds me of that one guy who thought the odds of the large hadron collider destroying the world was 50-50 because it either would or wouldn't. | ||
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ThePacifist
Korea (South)46 Posts
On May 08 2015 06:25 Nine Gates wrote: They concern Kespa Cup. Do you think Kespa runs S2SL but not the Kespa Cup? Well, Kespa runs many tournaments and also manages teams and players. But this is not important. Because these match fixing scandals can effect very badly to Korean SC2 leagues, Kespa always takes it seriously no matter what team or what league he is in. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
where does it say the match was in kespa cup? Wasn't Creator vs Soulkey in GSL Code A? | ||
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Penev
28528 Posts
On May 08 2015 06:45 argonautdice wrote: where does it say the match was in kespa cup? Wasn't Creator vs Soulkey in GSL Code A? On May 08 2015 02:41 ThePacifist wrote: I'm not sure which match was offered but according to a rumour between korean communities, it's a match of the KeSPA Cup. It's a rumour | ||
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
The guys wanted a Kespa statement ASAP when there wasn't one. Now that there is a statement, they are not happy with it, and the guys ask for replays and whatnot. And by the way, there is so much panic about Korean matchfixing: they demand permaban onto MKP and other Koreans. But here in our scene there was an obvious case of matchfixing and direct bribe, with evident proof (gungfubanda case), and what happened? 1 season ban because "he was a child". And in the MKP case, when there is no direct evidence, just mere suspects, you guys overreact? lol If the authorities (Kespa) didn't find anything, why still going on with the drama? Let´s not forget that Kespa is a SK's government agency, not some random guy on the Internet. If they state that there is no matchfixing, so be it. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 07 2015 21:27 RPR_Tempest wrote: People have already made up their minds. Nobody who thinks MarineKing match-fixed (pro tip: he didn't) is going to be persuaded by even KeSPA saying otherwise. This being despite the fact that these were the same people BEGGING for an official KeSPA investigation/statement. But when they don't agree with it they'll just disregard it. bad point imo. He could've matched fixed or maybe not. Personally, I say there's a higher chance that he did than didn't but at least Kespa is looking into the overall allegations so we're going somewhere. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On May 08 2015 02:31 ThePacifist wrote: You guys need to know why KeSPA released such statement. It's not about MKP. There was an incident about Soulkey today. http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=382&article_id=0000350211&date=20150507&page=1 (Korean) So this is the article from Sports Donga claims that Soulkey is suspected of involving into match fixing which made the KeSPA to release their statement and also made me(perhaps all sc2 fans) shock. And after more articles released with KeSPA's statement which say the article from Sports Donga has wrong information. They say 'Soulkey didn't accept the offer. It's a confinement case between a broker and investors.'. Here's the one of them : http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015050719452620500 (Korean) So let me summarise the case revealed until now, A Korean betting broker offered to Soulkey for a match fixing. -> Soulkey refused to the offer. -> Investors detained the broker after lost their investment(I'm not sure how they lost their money.) -> The broker felt threatened and asked the police for help -> The police launched an investigation and questioned Soulkey as a witness.(Maybe this is the part where the reporter from Sports Donga wrote the article.) -> After the article, KeSPA released the statement to argue with it. So the statement is not about MKP's case. I don't know MKP did such that horrible thing but i just want to say that why KeSPA released the statement today is not to cover what MKP did. It's about Soulkey. If there's grammatical error, I apologise for that. My English isn't good enough. Assuming this post is reliable this makes Kepsa seem like an even bigger joke than we originally thought. 'MATCH FIXING? NO, THAT NEVER HAPPENED' 'Sir, what about the game between Mari----' 'NOPE, DAMAGE WAS DEALT TO THE INVESTORS. DEFINITELY NEVER ACCUSE PEOPLE OF MATCH FIXING IT HURTS THEIR IMAGE. K PEACE OUT' queue: | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On May 08 2015 01:12 Jarree wrote: Does that explain how they guy lost his bet if Soulkey didn't accept? also all of the money was bet on soulkey to lose match 1 and he did lose match 1 so how exactly was money lost by bettors, the bulk of the money was wagered on soulkey to lose game 1 ...and if soulkey didn't accept why did the bettor make the bets? Unless Soulkey accepted then later reneged, that would make sense | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
Hopefully the truth will come out, we're on the right path now. Hopefully Kespa will also answer some of my questions from the first post I made in thread. This isn't just about Soulkey, 5 players had matches voided and if one of them had contact with match fixers in any capacity surely Kespa and/or the police should investigate whether any of the others have any ties to the alleged match fixer who is in jail now At this point I think we just need to ask questions about how the investigation is being conducted and just ensure it is being conducted in a manner that will lead to any match fixing actually being exposed | ||
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