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egernya
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada352 Posts
May 07 2015 16:18 GMT
#101
On May 08 2015 01:12 Jarree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 01:00 egernya wrote:
The reason Kespa made the statement by now is that there was an incident that a match-fixing broker was illegally confined by the match-fixing investor after the broker's deal to the progamer(Soulkey) to match-fix was denied, and the investor lost his bet.
Report on that: http://www.gameshot.net/common/con_view.php?code=GA554b2e40e08a9
결과적으로 A 선수가 제의를 거부해 승부 조작이 무산되자 돈을 날린 투자자는 브로커를 감금한 것. 위협을 느낀 브로커가 경기도 경찰청 광역수사대에 구조를 요청하면서 이번 사건이 경찰에 의해 본격 조사에 착수, A 선수는 조만간 검찰에 출두해 자세한 내용을 밝힐 것으로 보인다.

So, there was an actual investigation on this by the police about the match-fixing( and probably more focused on the confinement). And consequently, Kespa released the statement as this had a physical incident and investigation unlike some online betting site outside of Korea pulling bets you know who to investigate other than the gamers.

Does that explain how they guy lost his bet if Soulkey didn't accept?


It seems the investor made a bet provided that soulkey would accept. Maybe there was some miscommunication.
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
May 07 2015 16:28 GMT
#102
So you sheeps can continue watching Proleague without doubting anything..
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 16:51:16
May 07 2015 16:42 GMT
#103
On May 08 2015 01:12 Jarree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 01:00 egernya wrote:
The reason Kespa made the statement by now is that there was an incident that a match-fixing broker was illegally confined by the match-fixing investor after the broker's deal to the progamer(Soulkey) to match-fix was denied, and the investor lost his bet.
Report on that: http://www.gameshot.net/common/con_view.php?code=GA554b2e40e08a9
결과적으로 A 선수가 제의를 거부해 승부 조작이 무산되자 돈을 날린 투자자는 브로커를 감금한 것. 위협을 느낀 브로커가 경기도 경찰청 광역수사대에 구조를 요청하면서 이번 사건이 경찰에 의해 본격 조사에 착수, A 선수는 조만간 검찰에 출두해 자세한 내용을 밝힐 것으로 보인다.

So, there was an actual investigation on this by the police about the match-fixing( and probably more focused on the confinement). And consequently, Kespa released the statement as this had a physical incident and investigation unlike some online betting site outside of Korea pulling bets you know who to investigate other than the gamers.

Does that explain how they guy lost his bet if Soulkey didn't accept?


I'm guessing this is the SK match where the bets were voided, so maybe he didn't lose his money, but he didn't win either. (I'd like to emphasize, SK did lose that game, like the bets predicted)

Either that, or there is yet another match SK was offered to throw.
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
May 07 2015 16:44 GMT
#104
If a player was aproached with this kind of proposition shoudnt he report it to Kespa even before the match?
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 16:46:55
May 07 2015 16:46 GMT
#105
dumb quote post
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 16:47:48
May 07 2015 16:47 GMT
#106
First Savior, then SK, then Life who is the next zerg bonjwa matchfixer?

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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
May 07 2015 16:56 GMT
#107
Always knew MKP was innocent!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
orllyfools
Profile Joined May 2012
United States153 Posts
May 07 2015 16:57 GMT
#108
Holy shit. This scene is so fucking pathetic to still sit there with 100% certainty that MK match fixed. Even though theres chat logs to prove they denied the money, that then brokers were jailed, and is launching a campaign to shut down illegal betting site (I presume with help from Police). Yeah pure KESPA PR bullshit right? Fucking idiots.
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YuiHirasawa
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan220 Posts
May 07 2015 17:00 GMT
#109
But what about that creep tumor? I am still skeptical MatchfixKing.
Fun things are fun
maGicc
Profile Joined March 2015
Finland134 Posts
May 07 2015 17:15 GMT
#110
On May 08 2015 01:57 orllyfools wrote:
Holy shit. This scene is so fucking pathetic to still sit there with 100% certainty that MK match fixed. Even though theres chat logs to prove they denied the money, that then brokers were jailed, and is launching a campaign to shut down illegal betting site (I presume with help from Police). Yeah pure KESPA PR bullshit right? Fucking idiots.


Not 100%, only about 99.5%
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
May 07 2015 17:23 GMT
#111
On May 08 2015 01:47 TheAnarchy wrote:
First Savior, then SK, then Life who is the next zerg bonjwa matchfixer?

>SK
>bonjwa
>wut
very illegal and very uncool
ThePacifist
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (South)46 Posts
May 07 2015 17:31 GMT
#112
You guys need to know why KeSPA released such statement. It's not about MKP. There was an incident about Soulkey today.

http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=382&article_id=0000350211&date=20150507&page=1 (Korean)

So this is the article from Sports Donga claims that Soulkey is suspected of involving into match fixing which made the KeSPA to release their statement and also made me(perhaps all sc2 fans) shock.

And after more articles released with KeSPA's statement which say the article from Sports Donga has wrong information. They say 'Soulkey didn't accept the offer. It's a confinement case between a broker and investors.'.

Here's the one of them : http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015050719452620500 (Korean)

So let me summarise the case revealed until now,

A Korean betting broker offered to Soulkey for a match fixing. -> Soulkey refused to the offer. -> Investors detained the broker after lost their investment(I'm not sure how they lost their money.) -> The broker felt threatened and asked the police for help -> The police launched an investigation and questioned Soulkey as a witness.(Maybe this is the part where the reporter from Sports Donga wrote the article.) -> After the article, KeSPA released the statement to argue with it.

So the statement is not about MKP's case. I don't know MKP did such that horrible thing but i just want to say that why KeSPA released the statement today is not to cover what MKP did. It's about Soulkey.

If there's grammatical error, I apologise for that. My English isn't good enough.
A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemy.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10675 Posts
May 07 2015 17:32 GMT
#113
Thanks KeSPA
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 07 2015 17:32 GMT
#114
On May 08 2015 02:31 ThePacifist wrote:
You guys need to know why KeSPA released such statement. It's not about MKP. There was an incident about Soulkey today.

http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=382&article_id=0000350211&date=20150507&page=1 (Korean)

So this is the article from Sports Donga claims that Soulkey is suspected of involving into match fixing which made the KeSPA to release their statement and also made me(perhaps all sc2 fans) shock.

And after more articles released with KeSPA's statement which say the article from Sports Donga has wrong information. They say 'Soulkey didn't accept the offer. It's a confinement case between a broker and investors.'.

Here's the one of them : http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015050719452620500 (Korean)

So let me summarise the case revealed until now,

A Korean betting broker offered to Soulkey for a match fixing. -> Soulkey refused to the offer. -> Investors detained the broker after lost their investment(I'm not sure how they lost their money.) -> The broker felt threatened and asked the police for help -> The police launched an investigation and questioned Soulkey as a witness.(Maybe this is the part where the reporter from Sports Donga wrote the article.) -> After the article, KeSPA released the statement to argue with it.

So the statement is not about MKP's case. I don't know MKP did such that horrible thing but i just want to say that why KeSPA released the statement today is not to cover what MKP did. It's about Soulkey.

If there's grammatical error, I apologise for that. My English isn't good enough.


Is this about Soulkey vs Creator game 1 or another Soulkey game? Thanks for the clarification.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
ThePacifist
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (South)46 Posts
May 07 2015 17:41 GMT
#115
On May 08 2015 02:32 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:31 ThePacifist wrote:
You guys need to know why KeSPA released such statement. It's not about MKP. There was an incident about Soulkey today.

http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=382&article_id=0000350211&date=20150507&page=1 (Korean)

So this is the article from Sports Donga claims that Soulkey is suspected of involving into match fixing which made the KeSPA to release their statement and also made me(perhaps all sc2 fans) shock.

And after more articles released with KeSPA's statement which say the article from Sports Donga has wrong information. They say 'Soulkey didn't accept the offer. It's a confinement case between a broker and investors.'.

Here's the one of them : http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015050719452620500 (Korean)

So let me summarise the case revealed until now,

A Korean betting broker offered to Soulkey for a match fixing. -> Soulkey refused to the offer. -> Investors detained the broker after lost their investment(I'm not sure how they lost their money.) -> The broker felt threatened and asked the police for help -> The police launched an investigation and questioned Soulkey as a witness.(Maybe this is the part where the reporter from Sports Donga wrote the article.) -> After the article, KeSPA released the statement to argue with it.

So the statement is not about MKP's case. I don't know MKP did such that horrible thing but i just want to say that why KeSPA released the statement today is not to cover what MKP did. It's about Soulkey.

If there's grammatical error, I apologise for that. My English isn't good enough.


Is this about Soulkey vs Creator game 1 or another Soulkey game? Thanks for the clarification.


I'm not sure which match was offered but according to a rumour between korean communities, it's a match of the KeSPA Cup.
A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemy.
Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
May 07 2015 17:50 GMT
#116
On May 08 2015 02:41 ThePacifist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:32 DJHelium wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:31 ThePacifist wrote:
You guys need to know why KeSPA released such statement. It's not about MKP. There was an incident about Soulkey today.

http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=382&article_id=0000350211&date=20150507&page=1 (Korean)

So this is the article from Sports Donga claims that Soulkey is suspected of involving into match fixing which made the KeSPA to release their statement and also made me(perhaps all sc2 fans) shock.

And after more articles released with KeSPA's statement which say the article from Sports Donga has wrong information. They say 'Soulkey didn't accept the offer. It's a confinement case between a broker and investors.'.

Here's the one of them : http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015050719452620500 (Korean)

So let me summarise the case revealed until now,

A Korean betting broker offered to Soulkey for a match fixing. -> Soulkey refused to the offer. -> Investors detained the broker after lost their investment(I'm not sure how they lost their money.) -> The broker felt threatened and asked the police for help -> The police launched an investigation and questioned Soulkey as a witness.(Maybe this is the part where the reporter from Sports Donga wrote the article.) -> After the article, KeSPA released the statement to argue with it.

So the statement is not about MKP's case. I don't know MKP did such that horrible thing but i just want to say that why KeSPA released the statement today is not to cover what MKP did. It's about Soulkey.

If there's grammatical error, I apologise for that. My English isn't good enough.


Is this about Soulkey vs Creator game 1 or another Soulkey game? Thanks for the clarification.


I'm not sure which match was offered but according to a rumour between korean communities, it's a match of the KeSPA Cup.


So the match that Soulkey refused to fix was not map 1 against Creator. In that case, that might explain how the investor lost money betting on Soulkey even when Soulkey refused to throw.

Assuming Soulkey has thrown games in the past, there could be a working relationship between Soulkey and this broker. It's possible that the broker put money on another game before asking Soulkey to throw, assuming Soulkey would do it. If Soulkey refused, then the broker might lose their money.
goofyballer
Profile Joined January 2013
United States136 Posts
May 07 2015 17:54 GMT
#117
Huge LOL at clowns that still think MKP is innocent. It's one thing to say that it hasn't been proven, but there's something seriously wrong with how your brain works if you think it's more likely that he didn't match fix than that he did.

Kespa could release a replay that shows MKP moving the map over the building spine crawler and people here would still be like "well that only proves that he reacted poorly to the cheese, it doesn't prove match fixing." Utterly pathetic.
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
May 07 2015 18:04 GMT
#118
On May 08 2015 02:50 Darthsanta13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:41 ThePacifist wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:32 DJHelium wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:31 ThePacifist wrote:
You guys need to know why KeSPA released such statement. It's not about MKP. There was an incident about Soulkey today.

http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=382&article_id=0000350211&date=20150507&page=1 (Korean)

So this is the article from Sports Donga claims that Soulkey is suspected of involving into match fixing which made the KeSPA to release their statement and also made me(perhaps all sc2 fans) shock.

And after more articles released with KeSPA's statement which say the article from Sports Donga has wrong information. They say 'Soulkey didn't accept the offer. It's a confinement case between a broker and investors.'.

Here's the one of them : http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015050719452620500 (Korean)

So let me summarise the case revealed until now,

A Korean betting broker offered to Soulkey for a match fixing. -> Soulkey refused to the offer. -> Investors detained the broker after lost their investment(I'm not sure how they lost their money.) -> The broker felt threatened and asked the police for help -> The police launched an investigation and questioned Soulkey as a witness.(Maybe this is the part where the reporter from Sports Donga wrote the article.) -> After the article, KeSPA released the statement to argue with it.

So the statement is not about MKP's case. I don't know MKP did such that horrible thing but i just want to say that why KeSPA released the statement today is not to cover what MKP did. It's about Soulkey.

If there's grammatical error, I apologise for that. My English isn't good enough.


Is this about Soulkey vs Creator game 1 or another Soulkey game? Thanks for the clarification.


I'm not sure which match was offered but according to a rumour between korean communities, it's a match of the KeSPA Cup.


So the match that Soulkey refused to fix was not map 1 against Creator. In that case, that might explain how the investor lost money betting on Soulkey even when Soulkey refused to throw.

Assuming Soulkey has thrown games in the past, there could be a working relationship between Soulkey and this broker. It's possible that the broker put money on another game before asking Soulkey to throw, assuming Soulkey would do it. If Soulkey refused, then the broker might lose their money.

That sounds logical. Soulkey might have refused to fix more games after the first void spooked him. Just pure speculation though, I hope someone gets more info from korean sites.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
May 07 2015 18:09 GMT
#119
On May 07 2015 21:27 RPR_Tempest wrote:
People have already made up their minds. Nobody who thinks MarineKing match-fixed (pro tip: he didn't) is going to be persuaded by even KeSPA saying otherwise. This being despite the fact that these were the same people BEGGING for an official KeSPA investigation/statement. But when they don't agree with it they'll just disregard it.

Yeah mate, pro tip: no one has been named, and no details about that game has been revealed, so pro tip in a pro tip: he probably still did.

On May 08 2015 02:54 goofyballer wrote:
Huge LOL at clowns that still think MKP is innocent. It's one thing to say that it hasn't been proven, but there's something seriously wrong with how your brain works if you think it's more likely that he didn't match fix than that he did.

Kespa could release a replay that shows MKP moving the map over the building spine crawler and people here would still be like "well that only proves that he reacted poorly to the cheese, it doesn't prove match fixing." Utterly pathetic.

Posts like these calm me down. Good to know at the very least there's one ther sane person left.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 07 2015 18:22 GMT
#120
The main thing to read from this is that kespa IS taking this seriously.

Match fixing can't be proven (IN COURT) without someone admitting it. It's less likely to happen (or continue to happen - whichever hat you wear) with players knowing it's investigated.
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