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SC2 is just a small pot of the overall big picture. The illegal gambling is rampant in almost every sport in Korea, and it's safe to assume that each sport has a broker and cheaters who facilitate this unfortunate trend.
So, your question is: what can we do about it? My answer is start by not accepting shitty performances from players. Start expecting more professionalism and high quality of play from the ones you cheer for. Put more pressure on the players to be self-aware of the situation and deed that they are becoming a part of.
You can talk about the Kespa and GSL organizations all day and never see the end of this tunnel. You have to realize that this problem is just not in SC2, but it's also in LoL, Dota2, soccer, baseball, basketball, you name it. This is bigger than what you probably have been thinking. So, what we, as a fan, can do is to raise the bar on the players themselves, in hopes of them making the right choice when the "opportunity" knocks on their door (like SoulKey and Solar did).
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On May 13 2015 13:36 jellyjello wrote:
SC2 is just a small pot of the overall big picture. The illegal gambling is rampant in almost every sport in Korea, and it's safe to assume that each sport has a broker and cheaters who facilitate this unfortunate trend.
So, your question is: what can we do about it? My answer is start by not accepting shitty performances from players. Start expecting more professionalism and high quality of play from the ones you cheer for. Put more pressure on the players to be self-aware of the situation and deed that they are becoming a part of.
You can talk about the Kespa and GSL organizations all day and never see the end of this tunnel. You have to realize that this problem is just not in SC2, but it's also in LoL, Dota2, soccer, baseball, basketball, you name it. This is bigger than what you probably have been thinking. So, what we, as a fan, can do is to raise the bar on the players themselves, in hopes of them making the right choice when the "opportunity" knocks on their door (like SoulKey and Solar did).
This is bigger than what you probably have been thinking
Most people, at least the ones aware of SC2 match fixing, do understand that this is not just happening in SC2. We do read papers or at least watch the news.
So, what we, as a fan, can do is to raise the bar on the players themselves
What do you suggest we do?
like SoulKey and Solar did
You do realize Soulkey is one of the 7 suspects do you?
The list so far:
 San
Super
 INnoVation
MarineKing
 Soulkey
BBoongBBoong
YoDa
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^apparently SoulKey also refused an offer, so he's not completely wrong
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On May 13 2015 19:11 OtherWorld wrote:
^apparently SoulKey also refused an offer, so he's not completely wrong
He should do one of those crying TV reverend acts of atonement
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Really interested to see whether Pinnacle or any other site offers lines on Prime's match this week in Proleague (I doubt it) and whether there are any more voids this week (I hope not, we'll see I guess)
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On May 15 2015 06:25 Swoopae wrote:
Really interested to see whether Pinnacle or any other site offers lines on Prime's match this week in Proleague (I doubt it) and whether there are any more voids this week (I hope not, we'll see I guess)
They haven't....yet anyway
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I wasn't able to watch the lines/series today, all of my bets were graded (Bravo, Yonghwa, Byul matches). I know CJ vs SKT was graded, so none of those were, if someone who had a bet on Samsung/MVP could confirm thats graded too it means no voids this week as Pinnacle told me midweek in an email any individual voided game will lead to the series result being voided as well moving forward.
Pinnacle aren't offering odds for the Prime match this week again so they clearly suspect something isn't right there. None of the Jinair or Sbenu players playing today have been involved in voids; only Sbenu player who has is San, and he's not playing today. Will see what happens I guess.
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On May 13 2015 19:10 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 13:36 jellyjello wrote:
SC2 is just a small pot of the overall big picture. The illegal gambling is rampant in almost every sport in Korea, and it's safe to assume that each sport has a broker and cheaters who facilitate this unfortunate trend.
So, your question is: what can we do about it? My answer is start by not accepting shitty performances from players. Start expecting more professionalism and high quality of play from the ones you cheer for. Put more pressure on the players to be self-aware of the situation and deed that they are becoming a part of.
You can talk about the Kespa and GSL organizations all day and never see the end of this tunnel. You have to realize that this problem is just not in SC2, but it's also in LoL, Dota2, soccer, baseball, basketball, you name it. This is bigger than what you probably have been thinking. So, what we, as a fan, can do is to raise the bar on the players themselves, in hopes of them making the right choice when the "opportunity" knocks on their door (like SoulKey and Solar did). Most people, at least the ones aware of SC2 match fixing, do understand that this is not just happening in SC2. We do read papers or at least watch the news. What do you suggest we do? You do realize Soulkey is one of the 7 suspects do you? The list so far: San SuperINnoVationMarineKingSoulkeyBBoongBBoongYoDa
omg that list ;_; ;/
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On May 13 2015 19:10 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 13:36 jellyjello wrote:
SC2 is just a small pot of the overall big picture. The illegal gambling is rampant in almost every sport in Korea, and it's safe to assume that each sport has a broker and cheaters who facilitate this unfortunate trend.
So, your question is: what can we do about it? My answer is start by not accepting shitty performances from players. Start expecting more professionalism and high quality of play from the ones you cheer for. Put more pressure on the players to be self-aware of the situation and deed that they are becoming a part of.
You can talk about the Kespa and GSL organizations all day and never see the end of this tunnel. You have to realize that this problem is just not in SC2, but it's also in LoL, Dota2, soccer, baseball, basketball, you name it. This is bigger than what you probably have been thinking. So, what we, as a fan, can do is to raise the bar on the players themselves, in hopes of them making the right choice when the "opportunity" knocks on their door (like SoulKey and Solar did). Most people, at least the ones aware of SC2 match fixing, do understand that this is not just happening in SC2. We do read papers or at least watch the news. What do you suggest we do? You do realize Soulkey is one of the 7 suspects do you? The list so far: San SuperINnoVationMarineKingSoulkeyBBoongBBoongYoDa
the previous poster's insinuation that the solution to matchfixing is to "put pressure on players to play well" is honestly one of the most ridiculous moebius strips of logic that i have ever come across in my life
putting more pressure on players to perform well (since when are they not already under such pressure anyway?) lest they be shunned by the community is just going to drive more midlevel/less successful players to looking for shady ways of making money
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Yeah it's absurd to suspect players of match fixing for poor performance alone; it's only poor/suspicious play combined with suspicious betting activity and bets being voided by legitimate bookmakers prior to matches that should arouse legitimate suspicion of match fixing (player being bet into a 10-1 favourite or similar in a bo1 for example; or favourite being a 3-1 favourite for the series but a 3-1 underdog for the first map specifically)
Fortunately seems like there were no voids this week that i'm aware of, although betting lines on the Prime match weren't offered as I assume there has been too much suspicious betting activity/voids for Pinnacle (and presumably other books) to continue to take that risk
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On May 13 2015 13:36 jellyjello wrote:
So, your question is: what can we do about it? My answer is start by not accepting shitty performances from players. Start expecting more professionalism and high quality of play from the ones you cheer for. Put more pressure on the players to be self-aware of the situation and deed that they are becoming a part of.
problem is not lack of skill, but decision to withdraw it
problem is not whether fan acknowledge or not, it is whether organization, team and fellow player acknowledge in public and privately instead of embarrass
problem is that player have to eat, and they will eat from whatever hands; if player cannot find food from legitimate source they will find it elsewhere or they will retire because they are all human being
star2 has too many player for the amount of food available.
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