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Source : https://www.facebook.com/proleague.sc2/posts/363459173853783 (in Korean)
I'm not really good at translating but here are the key points :
- None of the players were involved in match fixing
- There has been attempts to fix matches, but the players who were approached by brokers rejected the offer, causing loss to the investors (in match fixing).
(Investors referring to people who pay the brokers and provide the money to pay the players for match fixing)
- Incident has been reported to the police and some brokers/investors involved were jailed
- KeSPA is stepping up their effort in taking down illegal betting websites to prevent further incidents, and also in protecting the players from these brokers
- Until the case has been fully resolved please do not make inappropriate accusations to players and cause harm to them
- We will continue to communicate with the fans until the final decision is out and to prevent any future illegal acts.
EDIT : Apparently there was a report in some of the Korean news about the possible match fixing scandal, and that was what prompted KeSPA to make this statement
mod edit: new info added
On May 08 2015 02:31 ThePacifist wrote:You guys need to know why KeSPA released such statement. It's not about MKP. There was an incident about Soulkey today. http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=382&article_id=0000350211&date=20150507&page=1 (Korean) So this is the article from Sports Donga claims that Soulkey is suspected of involving into match fixing which made the KeSPA to release their statement and also made me(perhaps all sc2 fans) shock. And after more articles released with KeSPA's statement which say the article from Sports Donga has wrong information. They say 'Soulkey didn't accept the offer. It's a confinement case between a broker and investors.'. Here's the one of them : http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015050719452620500 (Korean) So let me summarise the case revealed until now, A Korean betting broker offered to Soulkey for a match fixing. -> Soulkey refused to the offer. -> Investors detained the broker after lost their investment(I'm not sure how they lost their money.) -> The broker felt threatened and asked the police for help -> The police launched an investigation and questioned Soulkey as a witness.(Maybe this is the part where the reporter from Sports Donga wrote the article.) -> After the article, KeSPA released the statement to argue with it. So the statement is not about MKP's case. I don't know MKP did such that horrible thing but i just want to say that why KeSPA released the statement today is not to cover what MKP did. It's about Soulkey. If there's grammatical error, I apologise for that. My English isn't good enough.
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Thank god, I was shocked when i read the article.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Yay announcements. More details soon.
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Very cool annoucement and nice to see they're going after the assholes who buy players instead of just scapegoating a few players.
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The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling
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On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling
None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results).
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France9034 Posts
Phew, I'm relieved.
On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling
When there's no solid proof for either case, the correct approach is to consider them innocent.
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On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results).
Hence the "PR Bullshit" senses
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Glad they finally released a statement. The fact people were supposedly jailed tells me that there was probably some match-fixing.
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Sounds a bit to pinky here.
Succesfull match fixing has occured and some players have to be involved in this.
Maybe not the players which names came up due to their games being flagged, maybe these players. We dont know, KESPA properbly doesnt know and police does not know too.
But at least one statement after what month? 3 to 4? since the first thread "San vs. Dark".
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well its against kespa interest to expose match fixing and put a nail into its own scene
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So i guess marineking is just a really really really bad player? O.o
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People have already made up their minds. Nobody who thinks MarineKing match-fixed (pro tip: he didn't) is going to be persuaded by even KeSPA saying otherwise. This being despite the fact that these were the same people BEGGING for an official KeSPA investigation/statement. But when they don't agree with it they'll just disregard it.
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On May 07 2015 21:27 RPR_Tempest wrote:
People have already made up their minds. Nobody who thinks MarineKing match-fixed (pro tip: he didn't) is going to be persuaded by even KeSPA saying otherwise. This being despite the fact that these were the same people BEGGING for an official KeSPA investigation/statement. But when they don't agree with it they'll just disregard it.
pretty much.
can't fault them. the brain is made that way.
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- Incident has been reported to the police and some brokers/investors involved were jailed
- KeSPA is stepping up their effort in taking down illegal betting websites to prevent further incidents, and also in protecting the players from these brokers
For me, these are the important points. At this moment, except if one of the players confessed, there is i think no way to prove in court they matchfixed, so this is the most kespa can reasonably do/say. Getting police involved shows me they at least take the accusations seriously, and acknowledge the current dangers.
I'm hoping for some more detailed translation, but that's a matter of time I'd guess?
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Was not expecting this. Good!
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On May 07 2015 21:20 sharkie wrote:
So i guess marineking is just a really really really bad player? O.o
no but he brainderps the hardest and that game wasn't even the biggest overlook he ever made. His decisionmaking is what keeps him from being near the top consistently afterall.
But Kespa must really be doing something against the matchfixing as they seem to think they can get it under control. Which is nice to see. Otherwise they would have stayed silent Imo, with scapegoating a player to the masses being their last resort.
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On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results).
You have no clue what statistics are.
You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real.
The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with.
The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing.
And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done...
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On May 07 2015 21:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results). You have no clue what statistics are. You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real. The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with. The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing. And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done...
Jarree is right though. Matchfixing happened, regardless of how the situation is handled now (and of course Kespa is trying to keep the damage in control or they just could not prove it)
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