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wait, so because kespa says there was no match fixing, everyone is now believing it? lol
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On May 07 2015 21:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results). You have no clue what statistics are. You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real. The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with. The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing. And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done...
Was it 5 or 6 voided bets? I might have been wrong thinking 6, but anyway:
0,5^5 = 3,125%
0,5^6 = 1,5625%
That's assuming 50-50 odds, while Creator for example was pretty big underdog. How is that math incorrect?
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On May 07 2015 21:59 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 21:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results). You have no clue what statistics are. You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real. The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with. The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing. And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done... Was it 5 or 6 voided bets? I might have been wrong thinking 6, but anyway: 0,5^5 = 3,125% 0,5^6 = 1,5625% That's assuming 50-50 odds, while Creator for example was pretty big underdog. How is that math incorrect?
Creator won the freaking series, the odds were wrong to begin with. And honnestly Pinnacle odds are cringe-worthy a good portion of the time.
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Guess Rekrul was on point when he said that its in Kespa's best interest to cover it as much as possible.
But i guess some people will buy it and even will think that MatchFixKing.prime is innocent and "just bad"
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On May 07 2015 21:59 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 21:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results). You have no clue what statistics are. You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real. The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with. The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing. And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done... Was it 5 or 6 voided bets? I might have been wrong thinking 6, but anyway: 0,5^5 = 3,125% 0,5^6 = 1,5625% That's assuming 50-50 odds, while Creator for example was pretty big underdog. How is that math incorrect? Just for lols, what are you trying to compute here? :')
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Also this part is weird :
- There has been attempts to fix matches, but the players who were approached by brokers rejected the offer, causing loss to the investors (in match fixing).
Makes no sense, if players reject the offer - there is no betting, and no loss. It only makes sense if players accepted the money and decided to win anyway.
- We will continue to communicate with the fans
Yeah after ~5 months or so of total silence they come up with "Players are saints and noone did matchfix, its all about these shady INVESTORS/GAMBLERS"
Almost as bad as statement from MVP team.
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On May 07 2015 22:07 maGicc wrote:Also this part is weird : Show nested quote +
- There has been attempts to fix matches, but the players who were approached by brokers rejected the offer, causing loss to the investors (in match fixing).
Makes no sense, if players reject the offer - there is no betting, and no loss. It only makes sense if players accepted the money and decided to win anyway. Yeah after ~5 months or so of total silence they come up with "Players are saints and noone did matchfix, its all about these shady INVESTORS/GAMBLERS" Almost as bad as statement from MVP team.
the funniest thing about your posting history is that you fail to realize the gamblers/brokers are indeed the main problem.
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On May 07 2015 22:04 Yorbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 21:59 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 21:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results). You have no clue what statistics are. You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real. The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with. The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing. And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done... Was it 5 or 6 voided bets? I might have been wrong thinking 6, but anyway: 0,5^5 = 3,125% 0,5^6 = 1,5625% That's assuming 50-50 odds, while Creator for example was pretty big underdog. How is that math incorrect? Just for lols, what are you trying to compute here? :')
The probability of all voided matches ending with the result they were heavily bet on, being result of pure luck.
Let's illustrate. If I post here a number between 1-10 and then a machine randomly puts out a number between 1 and 10, the odds of me being right is 10%. (as illustrated with 0,5 assuming 50-50 odds between players on average)
Now if I do the same thing 5 or 6 times in a row (like the voided bets resulted), the odds of me being just lucky and getting it right are:
0,1^5 = 0,00001 = 0,01%
So either I was extremely lucky (0,01%) or the machine was rigged and I knew which number is going to come out (99,99%).
Does that make sense?
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On May 07 2015 22:03 maGicc wrote:
Guess Rekrul was on point when he said that its in Kespa's best interest to cover it as much as possible.
But i guess some people will buy it and even will think that MatchFixKing.prime is innocent and "just bad"
Please go away with your witch hunt and leave actually intelligent people to deal with this stuff 
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Still no hard evidence, waiting for that MKP rep to be released or given to select members of the community for review before any judgements can be made. At this point the unwillingness to do this has got to raise a red flag >.>
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Sadly what I read in this is "matchfixing happened, but we don't want to create a shitstorm by condemning players, so we only condemn brokers". But well, better than nothing I guess.
On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results).
I'd think that matchfixers probably keep some sort of traceability of who they proposed matchfixing to and who accepted
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On May 07 2015 22:11 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 22:04 Yorbon wrote:On May 07 2015 21:59 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 21:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results). You have no clue what statistics are. You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real. The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with. The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing. And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done... Was it 5 or 6 voided bets? I might have been wrong thinking 6, but anyway: 0,5^5 = 3,125% 0,5^6 = 1,5625% That's assuming 50-50 odds, while Creator for example was pretty big underdog. How is that math incorrect? Just for lols, what are you trying to compute here? :') The probability of all voided matches ending with the result they were heavily bet on, being result of pure luck.Let's illustrate. If I post here a number between 1-10 and then a machine randomly puts out a number between 1 and 10, the odds of me being right is 10%. (as illustrated with 0,5 assuming 50-50 odds between players on average) Now if I do the same thing 5 or 6 times in a row (like the voided bets resulted), the odds of me being just lucky and getting it right are: 0,1^5 = 0,00001 = 0,01% So either I was extremely lucky (0,01%) or I the machine was rigged and I knew which number is going to come out (99,99%). Does that make sense? I thought you were computing the probability that 6 matches would be voided, if they had a 50% chance of being voided. That would've been completely retarded. I misunderstood.
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On May 07 2015 22:11 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 22:03 maGicc wrote:
Guess Rekrul was on point when he said that its in Kespa's best interest to cover it as much as possible.
But i guess some people will buy it and even will think that MatchFixKing.prime is innocent and "just bad" Please go away with your witch hunt and leave actually intelligent people to deal with this stuff
It will be hard to find any intelligent people amongs the bunch that fail to understand probabilities and statistics. Since you failed to show that you understand either one, i am not sure why anyone should care about your opinion at all. Putting a smiley face in the end wont fool anyone into actually believing that you know what you are talking about.
You should've avoided mentioning the "witch hunt" to be honest, because at this point, trying to mark anyone as a witchhunter only proves how deep is your head in the sand of stupidity.
On May 07 2015 22:14 Plexa wrote:
Still no hard evidence, waiting for that MKP rep to be released or given to select members of the community for review before any judgements can be made. At this point the unwillingness to do this has got to raise a red flag >.>
Pretty much this. In a perfect world, not only replay should be released, but MKP's comments attached to the certain points of a game, explayning what was he thinking and why he made such retarded choices and how its even possible without matchfixing.
But if they wont even bother releasing a replay. Any statement like "players were not involved" just sounds like officer's Barbrady's "Okay move along, move along people, there's nothing to see here!"
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On May 07 2015 22:22 maGicc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 22:11 Luolis wrote:On May 07 2015 22:03 maGicc wrote:
Guess Rekrul was on point when he said that its in Kespa's best interest to cover it as much as possible.
But i guess some people will buy it and even will think that MatchFixKing.prime is innocent and "just bad" Please go away with your witch hunt and leave actually intelligent people to deal with this stuff It will be hard to find any intelligent people amongs the bunch that fail to understand probabilities and statistics. Since you failed to show that you understand either one, i am not sure why anyone should care about your opinion at all. Putting a smiley face in the end wont fool anyone into actually believing that you know what you are talking about. You should've avoided mentioning the "witch hunt" to be honest, because at this point, trying to mark anyone as a witchhunter only proves how deep is your head in the sand of stupidity.
Only reason why i target you with the posts that i do, is because youre seriously 100% toxic. Your post history is nothing but calling people stupid or calling pro players trash. Imho, even if youre right that doesnt excuse being a completely shitty human.
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On May 07 2015 22:18 Yorbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 22:11 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 22:04 Yorbon wrote:On May 07 2015 21:59 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 21:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results). You have no clue what statistics are. You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real. The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with. The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing. And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done... Was it 5 or 6 voided bets? I might have been wrong thinking 6, but anyway: 0,5^5 = 3,125% 0,5^6 = 1,5625% That's assuming 50-50 odds, while Creator for example was pretty big underdog. How is that math incorrect? Just for lols, what are you trying to compute here? :') The probability of all voided matches ending with the result they were heavily bet on, being result of pure luck.Let's illustrate. If I post here a number between 1-10 and then a machine randomly puts out a number between 1 and 10, the odds of me being right is 10%. (as illustrated with 0,5 assuming 50-50 odds between players on average) Now if I do the same thing 5 or 6 times in a row (like the voided bets resulted), the odds of me being just lucky and getting it right are: 0,1^5 = 0,00001 = 0,01% So either I was extremely lucky (0,01%) or I the machine was rigged and I knew which number is going to come out (99,99%). Does that make sense? I thought you were computing the probability that 6 matches would be voided, if they had a 50% chance of being voided. That would've been completely retarded. I misunderstood.
Yeah no problem mate. It was my fault for not explaining better, I was just frustrated. Still remembering the earlier threads and trying to explain coincidence, only to be spat on.
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This is a genuine question:
-There has been attempts to fix matches, but the players who were approached by brokers rejected the offer, causing loss to the investors (in match fixing).
If the players refused to participate why would any suspicious betting still occur, causing that loss of money?
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Nice. Even though I believe that all of these games were thrown by the players (Marineking especially). I'm glad they're not going to see harsh consequences. I don't want to see any jump out of a building like the IM coach. That is, provided the match fixing stops (or at least is reduced, or at least becomes less obvious).
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You have to consider that one reason that Kespa may have remained quiet so far is if the police were investigating, they may not have wanted too much public discussion while they were investigating, and the police may have asked Kespa to hold off commenting further.
Also if Kespa did comment and said there was or wasn't match fixing while investigations were still ongoing, they could have either been wrong if investigations found evidence of guilt, or accused of defamation or similar if everyone was innocent.
It might not be entirely down to Kespa as to why information wasn't forthcoming.
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On May 07 2015 22:24 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 22:18 Yorbon wrote:On May 07 2015 22:11 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 22:04 Yorbon wrote:On May 07 2015 21:59 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 21:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:On May 07 2015 20:44 Jarree wrote:On May 07 2015 20:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
The statement is good and all but I do have one question. Do they have any proof that the players rejected the approach besides "They said they rejected it"? Because that still doesn't explain the shifts in lines and the infamous MK match.
Don't get me wrong. I WANT to believe but my "PR Bullshit" senses are tingling None of the players confessed and there are no record (wire, email etc) of them accepting. What else can you say? It's perfectly fine not to name individual players, but match-fixing did occur within 99% certainty (pure statistics, probability of voided bets + match results). You have no clue what statistics are. You are just voicing an opinion on something which is based on intangible variables. It's crazy how many people can blindly believe into something without having the incontestable proof that thing is real. The one and only real conclusion you can pull out of betting lines shifts is that people massively thought a player would win other the other. That's it, that's the only incontestable result you will get from it, anything else is pure speculation, opinions, no matter what ass-pulled argument, numbers or pseudo-logic you may come up with. The thing you need to know if there was match fixing is a trace of the communication of the player and a trace of the money he may have accepted for match fixing. And if it's also true that it would be stupid to blindly believe he didn't matchfix, you might as well not ruin the career and publicly bash someone for something he might have done... Was it 5 or 6 voided bets? I might have been wrong thinking 6, but anyway: 0,5^5 = 3,125% 0,5^6 = 1,5625% That's assuming 50-50 odds, while Creator for example was pretty big underdog. How is that math incorrect? Just for lols, what are you trying to compute here? :') The probability of all voided matches ending with the result they were heavily bet on, being result of pure luck.Let's illustrate. If I post here a number between 1-10 and then a machine randomly puts out a number between 1 and 10, the odds of me being right is 10%. (as illustrated with 0,5 assuming 50-50 odds between players on average) Now if I do the same thing 5 or 6 times in a row (like the voided bets resulted), the odds of me being just lucky and getting it right are: 0,1^5 = 0,00001 = 0,01% So either I was extremely lucky (0,01%) or I the machine was rigged and I knew which number is going to come out (99,99%). Does that make sense? I thought you were computing the probability that 6 matches would be voided, if they had a 50% chance of being voided. That would've been completely retarded. I misunderstood. Yeah no problem mate. It was my fault for not explaining better, I was just frustrated. Still remembering the earlier threads and trying to explain coincidence, only to be spat on.
You deserve some of the criticism because you're creating false dichotomies to skew opinion to your preheld belief. Using your own example, it is highly unlikely (1.6%) that someone would get a coin flip correct six times in a row, but it doesn't hold that the other 98.4% is represented by "knowing that the coin is fixed". The other 98.4% simply represents all the other outcomes that could have occurred. You get the same likelihood if you select any other specific singular outcome from guessing the result of six coin flips.
The betting behavior on Pinnacle is definitely peculiar. But there are alternatives to simply match-fixing scandal or someone is the stupidest person alive. To deny that can only be pigheaded stubbornness or a severe lack of imagination. See how those false dichotomies work?
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