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On May 09 2015 08:18 Doodsmack wrote:
This isn't really "Kespa's official statement on matchfixing", it's "Kespa's official statement on a bizarre situation involving investors falsely imprisoning a broker over a Soulkey match". The REAL issue is the pattern of recent voided bets and suspicious matches, especially the MKP match. Kespa has still not addressed the real issue. And until Kespa has examined MKP's bank accounts and communications, Kespa has not investigated the issue.
I also find it hard to believe Soulkey is completely innocent, especially considering he was involved in a previous voided bet. Would these investors really just pay this broker without knowing if Soulkey had agreed? Where did the money go?
What do you think kespa is actually? they have no right to investigate like this, they are not the police.
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On May 10 2015 00:49 ssg wrote:
Bovada just voided some bets on Gumiho vs Marineking. Gumiho won 3-0. Don't think it was match fixing.
Edit: apparently not voided. But they did close the lines early on this match and all sc2 lines for the rest of the weekend. Lame.
Line movement was totally normal; I know because I bet on Gumiho at the -163 opener and mentioned to a friend he was closer to a -200 to -250 favourite in a bo5. The line closed at -215. Gumiho won 3-0 which isn't too shocking, two games were closeish and the line move wasn't unreasonable. Match was not voided on Pinnacle. If the line had moved to -800 or more it could have been something, but there is no reason to believe anything was out of the ordinary with this match.
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I guess pinnacle were refusing to offer Prime lines for past months for a reason. The one time they put the lines, Prime instantly fixing the match, lol.
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'Forgetting' baneling speed and other upgrades? Could be...
I hate having to question all the matches like this 
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Any new info on this last void?
Swoopea pls
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Not making assumptions or anything, but I stepped away from the PC for a while only to come back and see 12:45 in game time and BoooongBooong didn't even have baneling speed.
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On May 11 2015 22:03 Penev wrote:
Any new info on this last void?
Swoopea pls
I only know that Bomber-Bboong opened at approximately 1.5 v 2.7 odds (Bomber favorite) and apparently a lot of money came on Bomber just before the void.
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On May 11 2015 22:07 Grizvok wrote:
Not making assumptions or anything, but I stepped away from the PC for a while only to come back and see 12:45 in game time and BoooongBooong didn't even have baneling speed.
Good to see they've worked out less suspicious ways of 100% losing. Doubt we'll ever see another as blatant as MKP's
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On May 11 2015 22:15 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:07 Grizvok wrote:
Not making assumptions or anything, but I stepped away from the PC for a while only to come back and see 12:45 in game time and BoooongBooong didn't even have baneling speed. Good to see they've worked out less suspicious ways of 100% losing. Doubt we'll ever see another as blatant as MKP's
MKP's game wouldnt be so blatant if Byul would not proxy hatch though.
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Is there a website that archives Pinnacle line movement [for SC2]?
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yoda's loss looked like a massive throw lol
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On May 11 2015 22:13 maGicc wrote:I only know that Bomber-Bboong opened at approximately 1.5 v 2.7 odds (Bomber favorite) and apparently a lot of money came on Bomber just before the void.
Now I have not weighed in on any of the previous incidents so please do not try to assume that I am necessarily on either side of this argument, insofar as either accusing anyone of match fixing or defending any allegations; take this post for what it is and don't view it in the context of possible match-fixing.
With that disclaimer in mind: is there anyone here except for delusional Prime fans (all 3 of them that are left at this point) who would have bet on BboongBboong? I have followed competitive SC2 quite closely since WoL Beta and I can say, from my perspective at least, with the exception of a few brief periods here and there, this match is always a safe victory for Bomber, in an offline setting (which Proleague is) and with sufficient preparation (which is safe to assume considering he hasn't been flying around recently).
Now granted I couldn't catch the game live, and from what the posts above suggest, forgetting centrifugal hooks in a ZvT is quite poor and obviously a crippling mistake.
Nevertheless, is it surprising that the odds were in such favour of Bomber, regardless of how the game turned out? Because to me it feels like pretty much no-one who follows the Korean SC2 scene would unironically bet on BboongBboong for this match. Genuinely curious how you and other posters feel about this.
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On May 11 2015 22:33 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:13 maGicc wrote:On May 11 2015 22:03 Penev wrote:
Any new info on this last void?
Swoopea pls I only know that Bomber-Bboong opened at approximately 1.5 v 2.7 odds (Bomber favorite) and apparently a lot of money came on Bomber just before the void. Now I have not weighed in on any of the previous incidents so please do not try to assume that I am necessarily on either side of this argument, insofar as either accusing anyone of match fixing or defending any allegations; take this post for what it is and don't view it in the context of possible match-fixing. With that disclaimer in mind: is there anyone here except for delusional Prime fans (all 3 of them that are left at this point) who would have bet on BboongBboong? I have followed competitive SC2 quite closely since WoL Beta and I can say, from my perspective at least, with the exception of a few brief periods here and there, this match is always a safe victory for Bomber, in an offline setting (which Proleague is) and with sufficient preparation (which is safe to assume considering he hasn't been flying around recently). Now granted I couldn't catch the game live, and from what the posts above suggest, forgetting centrifugal hooks in a ZvT is quite poor and obviously a crippling mistake. Nevertheless, is it surprising that the odds were in such favour of Bomber, regardless of how the game turned out? Because to me it feels like pretty much no-one who follows the Korean SC2 scene would unironically bet on BboongBboong for this match. Genuinely curious how you and other posters feel about this.
Problem is that your opinion is biased toward Bomber. I am not sure what do you mean by "safe" victory for Bomber - but this matchup is far from 100% Bomber victory.
Let me remind you that Bomber recently :
Nearly lost bo5 to Shine, who is not that much better than Bboong
Lost 0-2 to Zoun
Got all-ined by Panic
Lost 1-2 to penguiN who is objectively even worse than Bboong
Additionally, Bomber nearly always goes for the same greedy build. If Bboong would really aim to win here, he could've easily chosen some variancions of the zerg all-ins that would at least give him 20% chance to win.
Afterall, Bboong did 2-0 Reality less than 2 weeks ago. Saying that this was a clear secure win for Bomber means absolutely nothing. You have no stats to back it up.
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On May 11 2015 22:33 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:13 maGicc wrote:On May 11 2015 22:03 Penev wrote:
Any new info on this last void?
Swoopea pls I only know that Bomber-Bboong opened at approximately 1.5 v 2.7 odds (Bomber favorite) and apparently a lot of money came on Bomber just before the void. Now I have not weighed in on any of the previous incidents so please do not try to assume that I am necessarily on either side of this argument, insofar as either accusing anyone of match fixing or defending any allegations; take this post for what it is and don't view it in the context of possible match-fixing. With that disclaimer in mind: is there anyone here except for delusional Prime fans (all 3 of them that are left at this point) who would have bet on BboongBboong? I have followed competitive SC2 quite closely since WoL Beta and I can say, from my perspective at least, with the exception of a few brief periods here and there, this match is always a safe victory for Bomber, in an offline setting (which Proleague is) and with sufficient preparation (which is safe to assume considering he hasn't been flying around recently). Now granted I couldn't catch the game live, and from what the posts above suggest, forgetting centrifugal hooks in a ZvT is quite poor and obviously a crippling mistake. Nevertheless, is it surprising that the odds were in such favour of Bomber, regardless of how the game turned out? Because to me it feels like pretty much no-one who follows the Korean SC2 scene would unironically bet on BboongBboong for this match. Genuinely curious how you and other posters feel about this.
Would it surprise you that much if B4 took a game off Bomber in a bo3? Like it's not THAT strange.
I think favourites win way less than we think. Hell, even Morrow won a match vs Hydra!
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On May 11 2015 23:02 DJHelium wrote:
Would it surprise you that much if B4 took a game off Bomber in a bo3? Like it's not THAT strange.
I think favourites win way less than we think. Hell, even Morrow won a match vs Hydra!
This happens all the time in sc2 (and real sports as well), its a very common fallacy to overstimate the edge the players have against each other.
If edges were that big, upsets would never happen. We would never see Uthermal taking map of Parting, TangTang 2-0'ing Zest, MMA losing to Scarlett and Revolver, etc.
Hell, even arguably the best player in the world (or top 3 in the world) - Life, recently BARELY won a bo5 against Terminator.
Its a competition between players who train a lot and aim to win. Anything can happen.
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On May 11 2015 22:33 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:13 maGicc wrote:On May 11 2015 22:03 Penev wrote:
Any new info on this last void?
Swoopea pls I only know that Bomber-Bboong opened at approximately 1.5 v 2.7 odds (Bomber favorite) and apparently a lot of money came on Bomber just before the void. Now I have not weighed in on any of the previous incidents so please do not try to assume that I am necessarily on either side of this argument, insofar as either accusing anyone of match fixing or defending any allegations; take this post for what it is and don't view it in the context of possible match-fixing. With that disclaimer in mind: is there anyone here except for delusional Prime fans (all 3 of them that are left at this point) who would have bet on BboongBboong? I have followed competitive SC2 quite closely since WoL Beta and I can say, from my perspective at least, with the exception of a few brief periods here and there, this match is always a safe victory for Bomber, in an offline setting (which Proleague is) and with sufficient preparation (which is safe to assume considering he hasn't been flying around recently). Now granted I couldn't catch the game live, and from what the posts above suggest, forgetting centrifugal hooks in a ZvT is quite poor and obviously a crippling mistake. Nevertheless, is it surprising that the odds were in such favour of Bomber, regardless of how the game turned out? Because to me it feels like pretty much no-one who follows the Korean SC2 scene would unironically bet on BboongBboong for this match. Genuinely curious how you and other posters feel about this.
The fact that Bomber was favourite has nothing to do with it. The problem with these bets are (why Pinnacle voids them) the relatively large amounts of money that are betted against increasingly unfavourable odds. The only reason why people would do that is that they're 100% certain of the outcome and not a % less.
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On May 11 2015 22:29 Rekrul wrote:
yoda's loss looked like a massive throw lol
We should just default assume all games are throws until we have evidence otherwise
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If B4 would use a snipy 2 base roach stuff, he might win against ultimate greed named Bomber.
And a roach-all-in in SPL against a strong terrain... very common.
I am a really really big Bomber Fanboy, but everything over 3:1 for Bomber in the odds in a Bo1 becomes strange. We all know Bomberthings, we know his greed and how hard a strong 2 Base Roach can hit the terran.
With SBENU my SPL Hype is back, but I just got reminded why my hype died during season 1... we will never know and the doubt (lose or throw) will become bigger and bigger eating up all hype and fun watching again.
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I haven't watched the games in question but forgetting baneling speed is not evidence by itself of a thrown match.
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