EPTOn May 11 2015 23:29 Exstasy wrote:
We should just default assume all games are throws until we have evidence otherwise
We should just default assume all games are throws until we have evidence otherwise
This is the most logical choice...
KeSPA's official statement on match fixing - Page 10
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
This is the most logical choice... | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
First the Betting: It is again at lines which are waaay out of serious normal possibility. Bo1 dont have 4:1s just because it is so easy to take a BO-loss. The Game: This game has some evidence, but way less then MK(notsoP) Game: Missing B-ling-Speed, happens. Having 1-1 not finished when enemy has 3-3 started while playing 3 base super safe and not got touched by Bombermacro in the first 7-8 mins? Not so likely. There is no hard evidence, there wount be and there will never be in the game. But there is evidence that fixing is still going on and the possibility we just saw it once again today. Not good, not good at all. | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
I seriosly doubt we will see any odds for upcoming KT-Prime or JinAir-Prime matches. | ||
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spoonmaster
United States347 Posts
Watch the vod, the dude looked nervous as hell, shaking, before his game against Bomber. He knew he was outclassed and it just showed in the game when he went on tilt. He's like 0-6 in Proleague and literally never stood a chance. If I had the capital I too would've dropped a max limit bet on Bomber b/c I knew it was a 95% win when opening odds were at at like 82% . | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
I am puzzled why people use this fallacy in attempt to proove the player's innocence. I saw it in MKP's threads a couple of times too (Hey, MKP looked weird/nervous, thats why he played bad!), when in reality it only should condemn them more and rise the probability of the matchfixing. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On May 12 2015 00:18 spoonmaster wrote: I don't think B4 could even ever win against Bomber even if he wasn't "throwing". Watch the vod, the dude looked nervous as hell, shaking, before his game against Bomber. He knew he was outclassed and it just showed in the game when he went on tilt. He's like 0-6 in Proleague and literally never stood a chance. If I had the capital I too would've dropped a max limit bet on Bomber b/c I knew it was a 95% win when opening odds were at at like 82% . Maybe those are reasons why it was matchfixing! He should be comfortable with losing now, and something like throwing a televised game was a lot of pressure. It's like when MK was playing against Byul. But who knows! These betting lines are getting to be so common with Prime. Also, it's sorta funny how this thread was turned into the new "Betting lines were strange and bets were voided for So&So" thread. Someday, someone less lazy than me will make a super thread for all of our potential matchfixing discussions. | ||
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spoonmaster
United States347 Posts
On May 12 2015 00:30 Blargh wrote: Maybe those are reasons why it was matchfixing! He should be comfortable with losing now, and something like throwing a televised game was a lot of pressure. It's like when MK was playing against Byul. But who knows! These betting lines are getting to be so common with Prime. Under that same logic, Liquid'HerO should stop having huge emotional cave-ins when he drops a map because he's been losing for years now. I'm not denying anything happening, but I'm just saying that Bomber was the better player and the better player won. As a better in my mind, B4 never really stood a chance even. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On May 12 2015 00:45 spoonmaster wrote: Under that same logic, Liquid'HerO should stop having huge emotional cave-ins when he drops a map because he's been losing for years now. I'm not denying anything happening, but I'm just saying that Bomber was the better player and the better player won. As a better in my mind, B4 never really stood a chance even. Would you say the same about Zoun, PenguiN, Neige and/or Dynamite? All players Bomber have lost to past 6 months. Would you say the same of Hydra vs Morrow? Tangtang vs Zest? Upsets do happen, that's why it's not profitable to always bet on the favorite. Even if they did get the betting lines wrong, shutting down the bet like this probably (has done so in the other cases of match fixing) means that someone bet A LOT of money moments before betting closes. Unless you are CERTAIN that Bomber will win, it's a sure way to lose money. In pro league, I don't think any player is over a 4-1 favourite. | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
He is obviosly does not care about the objective reality and statistics. | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
Does anyone know where the line closed when it was voided? Anything higher than -700 is really bad/suspicious in a bo1; objectively Bomber is something like a -280 to -350 favourite in a bo1 vs B4; anything higher than -500 is very suspicious and anything higher than -800 is pretty conclusive | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On May 12 2015 00:00 Doodsmack wrote: I haven't watched the games in question but forgetting baneling speed is not evidence by itself of a thrown match. It's not at all; but he also didn't get any ground upgrades. Match looked plausible (I watched it without knowing it was voided as I didn't want to spoil myself since I had a bet on Sbenu) but B4 made some really questionable decisions that made it unwinnable for him Apparently a lot of steam came in on Myungsik as well against Yoda; Yoda was something like +130 originally and was at +254 before the match and we had the Yoda vs Bunny incident a while ago. Not conclusive, but suspicious. They voided the Sbenu vs Prime line as well which may be a first; I remember that when the San vs Dark void happened I had a bet on Startale +1.5 games which wasn't voided. If they suspect more than one match was thrown by Prime though I can't really complain even though I actually had a pretty big bet on this one. Kespa need to address this properly at this point; this is an absolute joke that voids are happening nearly every week. | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On May 12 2015 01:30 maGicc wrote: Nitrogensports canceled the Yoda-Myungsik and Drg-Creator matches as well. I assume Pinnacle did too; will tweet at them for clarification, they cancelled my Sbenu vs Prime bet and I think that may be the first time the actual team vs team bet has ever been cancelled. I tweeted at them asking some questions; hopefully we get some responses soon. | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
Lost all the remaining respect. I guess he is really worrying about what matchfixing scandal can do to his job in Korea. | ||
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Penev
28530 Posts
On May 12 2015 02:26 maGicc wrote: https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/597780727879442432 Lost all the remaining respect. I guess he is really worrying about what matchfixing scandal can do to his job in Korea. Or he is just very naive. Combined with some ostrichism. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18669 Posts
On May 12 2015 02:26 maGicc wrote: https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/597780727879442432 Lost all the remaining respect. I guess he is really worrying about what matchfixing scandal can do to his job in Korea. That SC2 is considered a sport in Korea is already proof enough omg.... That's literally the worst post Wolf could have ever posted | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On May 12 2015 02:38 Penev wrote: Or he is just very naive. Combined with some ostrichism. I dont think so, i cant imagine he would try to deny that matchfixing is happening in a private convertation. He is not that naive or foolish. This post just reeks of public damage control bullshit that he himself does not believe in. Pretty sad how he threats community as a bunch of mindless sheeps. First saying "we should all forget about it" on Proleague stream (regarding MKP's throw) and now this. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
It's not like he can say anything else if he wants to keep his job lets be real here. | ||
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Penev
28530 Posts
On May 12 2015 02:43 maGicc wrote: I dont think so, i cant imagine he would try to deny that matchfixing is happening in a private convertation. He is not that naive or foolish. This post just reeks of public damage control bullshit that he himself does not believe in. Pretty sad how he threats community as a bunch of mindless sheeps. First saying "we should all forget about it" on Proleague stream (regarding MKP's throw) and now this. That was really bad indeed, the worst thing you could possibly say in a situation like this even. Makes me think he is actually not the most "cunning" individual. Oh well, doesn't really matter I guess; We just need KeSPA finish their investigation. I'm a bit skeptic about said investigation though :/ | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
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