Greatest Players of All Time: Part 1 - Page 20

On April 12 2015 19:46 nimdil wrote:
Tier 1
IPL 5 - 1st
MLG Fall 2012 - 2nd

Tier 2
MLG Summer Championship 2012 - 1st


<- I don't get it.

On April 12 2015 19:18 Ardias wrote:
Actually, I want to put a little bit more analysis in my rankings

10. Polt
9. Rain
8. Innovation
7. Nestea
6. Zest
5. MMA
4. MC
3. Taeja
2. Mvp
1. Life




As we see from Zealously post, three players here are guessed wrong, which perfectly fits in my ranking, with exclusion of sOs, Bomber and Parting and addition of Rain.

Now with reasoning. As it seems from the ranking, wins in Korea plays a huge part in the player's position as well as consistensy. As for impact made on the game and dominating form - about this I cannot be sure, since missed quite a lot of Starcraft, especially in 2012 and 2014.
Also, why I've excluded Bomber and Parting:
Bomber - most of the victories are in NA, only one korean title is GSL Code A somwhere in early 2011, so for reasons, mentioned above, I left him aside.
With Parting it was a bit harder. Yes, he is very consistent player and have Nestea award. But in the rankings we already have a Nestea award winner - DRG, who actually have a GSL championship under his belt. So I decided, that titles mean a little more than mere consistency, and left Parting out of the top, since he lacks any korean Premier win.

So, lets go down by the ranking.
10. Polt - Super Tournament champion, quite consistent player with multiple victories all over the world, no big slumps. What differs him from Bomber, who is out of the list? Super Tournament victory and the fact, that Bomber was falling out of radar more, in my opinion.
9. Rain - consistency (9 code S of 10 GSL participations) and 2 Korean championships (even if we count OSL 1 as "easier" tournament sue to recently switched Kespa pros, which I won't buy since in the playoffs Rain crushed trough ESF players such as MKP, Parting and DRG).
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Rain - see above. In comparison to Soulkey they seem quite similar - both came with Kespa (though Rain did succeeded a bit earlier), both consistent and deadly. But I'll put Rain a bit above due to 2 korean championships (in the finals of one he also did beat Soulkey), why Soulkey has 1. Also other results seem a bit higher for the Rain as well.
Stephano - damn, if he make it to the top10, then I made a major fuckup in my calculations. Don't get me wrong, I like Stephano, alwasy loocked up at him as a foreigner hope until he retired, and yes, he have 4 premier wins, but to put him at top 10 GOAT list? Don't think so. Period of his dominance was a little bigger than a year, and he never made it deep in Korea. His wins were all international tourneys, and despite beating some good Koreans there, I doubt we may consider him such a great player. Top 15 maybe, but not top 10, so I'll leave him out of my calculations Still, I would be happy to see him, though it will prove me dead wrong.

So now we have 4 names 2 of which had to go and 2 names 1 of which we need to add.
Bomber
Polt
Innovation
Parting

Soulkey
Rain

We may divide these players into ESF and Kespa groups. Bomber, Polt and Parting being here almost from the start and being consistent throughout the years, all of them didn't get much on the homeground (with the exception of Polt's ST championship). But Parting continued to play in Korea, remaing consistently strong and sometimes being on the verge of winning, but never made it in Korea. His victories on WCG and WCS were, well, fairly easy, and Homestory X and Red Bull can't be compared to actual Korean tournaments. Still he got 3 2nd places, and may be I've really underestimated Parting due to his lack of actual wins. Polt and Bomber are the same in many regards, but I consider Polt as more stable player +his ST win.

As for Kespa (Soulkey, Innovation, Rain) - as I know sure, at least one of them should be in and one of them not. From these 3 I consider Soulkey as the weakest one at least in terms of results. Inno and Rain seems quite similar in terms of results, perfromance and impact on the game and I don't think that one of them will be in, and one will not.

So it leaves us with Rain in and either Bomber and Polt or Bomber and Parting out.

On April 12 2015 20:26 SkrollK wrote:
I still don't get why you put in Rain. Really. Why not going with FlaSh then ? He also did qualify quite a bit for GSL, he did VERY well in Proleague, won IEM over Zest, lost IEM to Life...
Just listing that FlaSh deserve more to be in that list than Rain.

And let's be serious : Rain, marking SCII history over Bomber or Polt or Parting ? Come on. Just be realistic man.

EDIT : sry for the quote fuck up

On April 12 2015 20:43 Ardias wrote:
Well, I made my analysis based on Zealously words. Polt, Bomber, Inno, Parting - 2 of them won't be here. Rain, Soulkey (or probably Stephano) - 1 of them will be. Based on this I made my choices.
Flash has shown much less consistency due to often falling to code A and never even close to win Korean premier. IEM is good, but I would rank it below Hot6ix or OSL at any given day, mostly due to the fact that on OSL people qualified directly and Hot6ix was compilation of GSL/OSL champions and runner-ups, while IEM was international(so online qualis and a lot of foreigners and 2nd tier Koreans) and with a lot of invites.

On April 12 2015 20:26 SkrollK wrote:


I still don't get why you put in Rain. Really. Why not going with FlaSh then ? He also did qualify quite a bit for GSL, he did VERY well in Proleague, won IEM over Zest, lost IEM to Life...
Just listing that FlaSh deserve more to be in that list than Rain.

And let's be serious : Rain, marking SCII history over Bomber or Polt or Parting ? Come on. Just be realistic man.

EDIT : sry for the quote fuck up

On April 12 2015 04:31 Zealously wrote:


Hint: three of those aren't in the Top 10

On April 12 2015 06:00 ATiBright wrote:


My bad didn't read the last part. Nestea I guess even though it's more nostalgia talking, but I guess he was pretty inventive and did a lot of work for Zerg early on and he is including creativity and meta game shifts as reasons for rankings.

@Sharkie, sure MC won 2 GSL's but he was in how many GSL's total, never strung together more then a handful in a row. Parting got a Nestea award and has been in like 18 GSL's, plus he has been competing with the best of the best in Korea since 2012. MC made a fortune off beating up on foreigners and Code A level Koreans for the last few years.