• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:42
CET 06:42
KST 14:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 284HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates 2024 BoxeR's birthday message Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BSL Season 21 - Complete Results
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Quickbooks Payroll Service Official Guide Quickbooks Customer Service Official Guide
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1511 users

Greatest Players of All Time: Part 1 - Page 21

Forum Index > SC2 General
752 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 38 Next All
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 12 2015 13:54 GMT
#401
How far SC2 has fallen that a match fixer is publicly accepted.
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
April 12 2015 13:55 GMT
#402
On April 12 2015 22:54 Doodsmack wrote:
How far SC2 has fallen that a match fixer is publicly accepted.



since the other thread is closed is there anyplace where the discussion continues?

its getting embarrassing
dark1882
Profile Joined October 2012
Ireland529 Posts
April 12 2015 13:56 GMT
#403
i'd say zest bomber and sos are the three who aren't on it
forge fast expand or die trying~Naniwa
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 12 2015 13:58 GMT
#404
On April 12 2015 22:54 Doodsmack wrote:
How far SC2 has fallen that a match fixer is publicly accepted.


You discount SaviOr from the list of Brood War's greatest players?

On April 12 2015 22:55 Disarmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 22:54 Doodsmack wrote:
How far SC2 has fallen that a match fixer is publicly accepted.



since the other thread is closed is there anyplace where the discussion continues?

its getting embarrassing


No
AdministratorBreak the chains
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
April 12 2015 14:00 GMT
#405
its not getting embarrassing?
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
April 12 2015 14:03 GMT
#406
On April 12 2015 11:44 Cricketer12 wrote:
top 10 foreigner list

1. Stephano
2. HuK
3. Naniwa
4. Scarlett
5. Snute
6. Thorzain
7. Suppjwa
8. MaNa
9. Lucifron
10. TLO

no jinro or idra trash lsit confirmed.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 12 2015 14:05 GMT
#407
On April 12 2015 23:00 Disarmed wrote:
its not getting embarrassing?


The "discussion" was embarrassing, which is why it was closed. Everything that could be said has been said, and if new information comes to light that might warrant a thread. Until then, there is nothing to be gained by having a thread dedicated to a massive circular argument on TL.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
April 12 2015 14:07 GMT
#408
1. MVP
2. MC
3. Life
4. Taeja
5. Nestea
6. Zest
7. Polt
8. Innovation
9. MMA
10. sOs
Yhamm is the god of predictions
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
April 12 2015 14:13 GMT
#409
I might have put MarineKing in the top 10 by virtue of the fact that SC2 has seemed so thoroughly inconsistent and yet MarineKing managed to achieve results for so long. But since players like DRG and soO have been placed already I guess #11 could end up being reasonable. Interested to see what the rest of the list will look like.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 12 2015 14:13 GMT
#410
surely herO will be on this list somewhere
rip passion
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
April 12 2015 14:16 GMT
#411
On April 12 2015 23:07 Scarecrow wrote:
1. MVP
2. MC
3. Life
4. Taeja
5. Nestea
6. Zest
7. Polt
8. Innovation
9. MMA
10. sOs


I think you might be the first person to get the top 3 in the correct order
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
April 12 2015 14:32 GMT
#412
On April 12 2015 22:35 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 21:44 Antaa wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:31 Zealously wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:30 KalWarkov wrote:
i have a problem. i have 12 players left for 10 spots :O

Zest
Nestea
Innovation
sOs
Bomber
Taeja
Polt
Parting
MMA
MC
Life
MVP


Hint: three of those aren't in the Top 10

Is this hint confirmed? It changes everything.


I've read the full article a few times

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 22:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
On April 12 2015 21:58 The_Templar wrote:
On April 12 2015 21:44 Antaa wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:31 Zealously wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:30 KalWarkov wrote:
i have a problem. i have 12 players left for 10 spots :O

Zest
Nestea
Innovation
sOs
Bomber
Taeja
Polt
Parting
MMA
MC
Life
MVP


Hint: three of those aren't in the Top 10

Is this hint confirmed? It changes everything.

Yes, it is.

...so temp who do you think is on the list


Off-limits, he's read the article!

Cheater
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 14:34:34
April 12 2015 14:32 GMT
#413
the player’s level relative to the time must be considered with several caveats


So this is a "greatest of all time" list, but you're judging the players within their respective time period. How does that work? That means they aren't the "greatest of all time". Mvp maybe greatest in 2011. 2012-2013 he's not that relevant and onward he's irrelevant. Top players right now (like Life) are at the highest level of SC2 we have ever seen and they are at a level way above people like Nestea, Mvp, MKP, and leenock ever were.

We must consider the innovation and creativity they used to make strategies as well as the refinement of pre-existing strategies, the meta in which they played and the outside factors they had to face during their reigns.


A lot of players contribute to innovating the meta. Give destiny a GOAT award or an acknowledgement for innovating with mass infestors?
rip passion
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
April 12 2015 14:33 GMT
#414
On April 12 2015 23:03 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 11:44 Cricketer12 wrote:
top 10 foreigner list

1. Stephano
2. HuK
3. Naniwa
4. Scarlett
5. Snute
6. Thorzain
7. Suppjwa
8. MaNa
9. Lucifron
10. TLO

no jinro or idra trash lsit confirmed.

Fuck i knew i forgot someone
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
April 12 2015 14:35 GMT
#415
On April 12 2015 23:16 coloursheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 23:07 Scarecrow wrote:
1. MVP
2. MC
3. Life
4. Taeja
5. Nestea
6. Zest
7. Polt
8. Innovation
9. MMA
10. sOs


I think you might be the first person to get the top 3 in the correct order

Lol no Life love too strong right now for MC to be second, and quite frankly i dont know if i can disagree
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12680 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 14:40:44
April 12 2015 14:37 GMT
#416
I am always surprised at people placing MC at so high up, sure he is one of the best players but his styles are mostly lacking and purely 2 base all in.
unlike parting who has refined his play so well that he can play macro just as well as his close to perfectly executed soul train.

On April 12 2015 23:32 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
the player’s level relative to the time must be considered with several caveats


So this is a "greatest of all time" list, but you're judging the players within their respective time period. How does that work? That means they aren't the "greatest of all time". Mvp maybe greatest in 2011. 2012-2013 he's not that relevant and onward he's irrelevant. Top players right now (like Life) are at the highest level of SC2 we have ever seen and they are at a level way above people like Nestea, Mvp, MKP, and leenock ever were.

Show nested quote +
We must consider the innovation and creativity they used to make strategies as well as the refinement of pre-existing strategies, the meta in which they played and the outside factors they had to face during their reigns.


A lot of players contribute to innovating the meta. Give destiny a GOAT award or an acknowledgement for innovating with mass infestors?


i am pretty sure destiny isn't the first to go mass infestors, I think it was spanishiwa who also invented the gasless queen heavy style which was ahead of its time, and it took a few months until koreans also took it up.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19305 Posts
April 12 2015 14:43 GMT
#417
Has fruitdealer been mentioned once in all these pages?
1. Fruitdealer
2. Moustache taeja
3. Pirate taeja
4-10. Taeja
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
April 12 2015 14:49 GMT
#418
On April 12 2015 23:16 coloursheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 23:07 Scarecrow wrote:
1. MVP
2. MC
3. Life
4. Taeja
5. Nestea
6. Zest
7. Polt
8. Innovation
9. MMA
10. sOs


I think you might be the first person to get the top 3 in the correct order

i had them in that order on like page 5.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 14:51:37
April 12 2015 14:50 GMT
#419
On April 12 2015 23:43 BisuDagger wrote:
Has fruitdealer been mentioned once in all these pages?
1. Fruitdealer
2. Moustache taeja
3. Pirate taeja
4-10. Taeja

what about LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe?
Antaa
Profile Joined April 2015
11 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 15:04:40
April 12 2015 15:01 GMT
#420
OK this is gonna be tough.

MVP, Life, LiquidTaeja, MC, MMA - probably the top 5

Polt, Innovation, Zest, Parting, Nestea, Bomber - 5 of 6 complete the top 10

Now with the hints:
Zest (in the picture) - is in.
Polt, Innovation, Parting, Nestea, Bomber - 3 of 5 complete the top 16

So:
A. two of: Polt, Innovation, Parting, Nestea, Bomber - aren't in the TOP 16.
B. one of Rain, Soulkey, Stephano, herO, LiquidHero, etc, is on the top 10.

B - my guess based on "feeling" is LiquidHero.
A is tougher. Without doing the research and not understanding completely the criteria used, any choice just feels wrong.
So my final guess:

6 to 10: Nestea, Polt, Parting, Zest, LiquidHero.

(BOMBER NOOOOOOOOO.... Bogus... sniff... maybe no Nestea top 16?, Parting? Polt???? AAAAAAAAAAAAAA)
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 38 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 11h 18m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech11
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 164
Shuttle 94
Hyuk 68
ZergMaN 41
GoRush 27
Bale 22
Icarus 12
Dota 2
XaKoH 347
NeuroSwarm111
febbydoto22
League of Legends
JimRising 818
C9.Mang0462
Counter-Strike
Foxcn302
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox387
Mew2King105
Other Games
summit1g4788
Livibee112
RuFF_SC292
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1518
BasetradeTV426
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 40
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH300
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1592
• Lourlo1003
• HappyZerGling103
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
11h 18m
goblin vs Kelazhur
TriGGeR vs Krystianer
Replay Cast
18h 18m
RongYI Cup
1d 5h
herO vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 18h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-04
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.