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Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.
Dear Client,
Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.
Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports
I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same
It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune
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On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.
At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene.
Yeah, this comment is very on point...
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On March 28 2015 12:37 Swoopae wrote:
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.
Dear Client,
Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.
Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports
I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same
It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune
If you had to guess, would you say that systematic betting irregularities is the only thing this decision was based on? Or is it possible that Pinnacle is doing some sleuthing of their own?
Thanks for staying on top of this issue, man. I've been watching horrorstruck since San vs Dark, just waiting for it to explode, and your breakdowns and analyses have been very helpful throughout.
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As I said that's not necessarily due to match fixing though. It could simply be Prime's 1-12 Indictator and a thought it may not be profitable for Pinnacle to offer odds on a team that might go 0-3 again.
To use an AFL (Australian Rules) parlance, it would have been like a couple years ago offering odds on a Hawthorn-GWS match, not worth the effort in putting up a market.
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Soooo. Still no news from Korea?
And yeah the Prime thing is strange.
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On March 28 2015 15:48 OtherWorld wrote:
Soooo. Still no news from Korea?
And yeah the Prime thing is strange.
Well Prime players are paid peanuts and already lose a lot. Getting paid to lose would have to be tempting.
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So now we accuse Prime too ? Well, why stopping there ? Buffalo Sabres can't win shit this season. Probably they are matchfixing too. On top of that, strangely enough, last month they defeated the leader of their division - Montreal... Fishy, fishy.
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On March 28 2015 17:07 Pr0wler wrote:
So now we accuse Prime too ? Well, why stopping there ? Buffalo Sabres can't win shit this season. Probably they are matchfixing too. On top of that, strangely enough, last month they defeated the leader of their division - Montreal... Fishy, fishy.
1. Go back to the OP.
2. Read Rekrul's post.
3. Let me know if any NHL insiders have casually said that "everyone in the league knows that match fixing is rampant, even in playoffs."
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On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.
At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene. To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad. For that reason, I think people just don't really care.
And some people like scat, what's your point?
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On March 28 2015 17:29 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.
At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene. To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad. For that reason, I think people just don't really care. And some people like scat, what's your point?
that post is almost tumblr level of gold :D
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On March 28 2015 17:29 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.
At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene. To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad. For that reason, I think people just don't really care. And some people like scat, what's your point?
5/5 would read again
On March 28 2015 15:58 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 15:48 OtherWorld wrote:
Soooo. Still no news from Korea?
And yeah the Prime thing is strange. Well Prime players are paid peanuts and already lose a lot. Getting paid to lose would have to be tempting.
At least they get paid, I'm not sure if that's the case for other ex-eSF teams (since Prime didn't give salaries before they got sponsored by KTC).
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On March 28 2015 06:57 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 06:49 BronzeKnee wrote:
This thread is really going places.
So is Kespa, MVP and Blizzard just gonna ignore this?
If they do, the finalists at Blizzcon should engage in a faux fixed match just to bring the issue to the light. It's starting to look like that.. Maybe DJ Helium ore anyone else could tweet to MVP again (I don't use Twitter)?
Sent a tweet just now.
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On March 28 2015 12:50 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 12:37 Swoopae wrote:
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.
Dear Client,
Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.
Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports
I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same
It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune If you had to guess, would you say that systematic betting irregularities is the only thing this decision was based on? Or is it possible that Pinnacle is doing some sleuthing of their own? Thanks for staying on top of this issue, man. I've been watching horrorstruck since San vs Dark, just waiting for it to explode, and your breakdowns and analyses have been very helpful throughout.
No problem. I have no idea in this case. I got the following as a followup response from Pinnacle
Dear Client,
We apologize but this information was handed down to us by the traders themselves with no explanation as to why.
Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports
Perhaps TeamLiquid could request another exclusive interview with one of Pinnacle's esports traders to shed some light on the situation if they agree? My speculation is useless here it could be anything, they have more info than we do is all I know, and they're refusing to offer betting lines on a match that they will make money on (with correct handicapping which their traders are paid to do the more matches of anything they offer the more money they make) so it means something I just don't know what.
For the record nobody myself included thinks Prime is fixing matches as an organisation it's just unusual that while this is going on Pinnacle have elected to stop offering bets on Prime's matches specifically. That could be for any number of reasons, related to match fixing or literally anything else, and we won't know why unless Pinnacle comments. The only Prime player involved in a suspicious line movement match was Yoda from memory against Bunny but i'd have to double check my list of matches to confirm.
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^Since I have no idea how betting sites works, who are the "traders"?
And I believe that TerrOr is on your list too, ByuL vs TerrOr R2
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On March 28 2015 17:57 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 17:29 ZAiNs wrote:On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.
At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene. To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad. For that reason, I think people just don't really care. And some people like scat, what's your point? that post is almost tumblr level of gold :D
TL posters are all about showering people with gold.
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On March 28 2015 17:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
3. Let me know if any NHL industries have casually said that "everyone in the league knows that match fixing is rampant, even in playoffs."
Many people think the Sabers organization is intentionally losing games as a means to draft Connor McDavid. It is the exact same thing as match fixing except there's no outside influence, the tanking is a organizational directive.
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On March 28 2015 18:06 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 06:57 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 06:49 BronzeKnee wrote:
This thread is really going places.
So is Kespa, MVP and Blizzard just gonna ignore this?
If they do, the finalists at Blizzcon should engage in a faux fixed match just to bring the issue to the light. It's starting to look like that.. Maybe DJ Helium ore anyone else could tweet to MVP again (I don't use Twitter)? Sent a tweet just now.
Cool. Now we wait.. Even more..
God, this sucks so much
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On March 28 2015 18:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 17:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
3. Let me know if any NHL industries have casually said that "everyone in the league knows that match fixing is rampant, even in playoffs." Many people think the Sabers organization is intentionally losing games as a means to draft Connor McDavid. It is the exact same thing as match fixing except there's no outside influence, the tanking is a organizational directive.
It's not the same, because tanking is a strategy designed to win. You sacrifice short term gain for the prospect of long term gain - and not personal gain, but upping your chances of beating the competition. It's like losing a match to get the easier #2 seed in a SC2 tournament.
But that's beside the point.
Pr0wler was being sarcastic when he implied that the Sabres are doing anything untoward or illegal. You're actually disagreeing with him. So even if I agree with you, we come to both situations being shitty... not both situations being fine.
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On March 28 2015 18:12 Swoopae wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 12:50 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 28 2015 12:37 Swoopae wrote:
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.
Dear Client,
Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.
Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports
I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same
It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune If you had to guess, would you say that systematic betting irregularities is the only thing this decision was based on? Or is it possible that Pinnacle is doing some sleuthing of their own? Thanks for staying on top of this issue, man. I've been watching horrorstruck since San vs Dark, just waiting for it to explode, and your breakdowns and analyses have been very helpful throughout. No problem. I have no idea in this case. I got the following as a followup response from Pinnacle Dear Client, We apologize but this information was handed down to us by the traders themselves with no explanation as to why. Kind Regards, Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports Perhaps TeamLiquid could request another exclusive interview with one of Pinnacle's esports traders to shed some light on the situation if they agree? My speculation is useless here it could be anything, they have more info than we do is all I know, and they're refusing to offer betting lines on a match that they will make money on (with correct handicapping which their traders are paid to do the more matches of anything they offer the more money they make) so it means something I just don't know what. For the record nobody myself included thinks Prime is fixing matches as an organisation it's just unusual that while this is going on Pinnacle have elected to stop offering bets on Prime's matches specifically. That could be for any number of reasons, related to match fixing or literally anything else, and we won't know why unless Pinnacle comments. The only Prime player involved in a suspicious line movement match was Yoda from memory against Bunny but i'd have to double check my list of matches to confirm.
I don't think there's any point talking to Pinnacle until something completely new happens, since they only have the numbers and they're not going to commit to any conclusion. I'd be more interested in talking to Kespa but, as you can imagine, they continue to be very guarded about what they say. I will try to ask again, but no promises.
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On March 28 2015 19:11 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 18:12 Swoopae wrote:On March 28 2015 12:50 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 28 2015 12:37 Swoopae wrote:
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.
Dear Client,
Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.
Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports
I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same
It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune If you had to guess, would you say that systematic betting irregularities is the only thing this decision was based on? Or is it possible that Pinnacle is doing some sleuthing of their own? Thanks for staying on top of this issue, man. I've been watching horrorstruck since San vs Dark, just waiting for it to explode, and your breakdowns and analyses have been very helpful throughout. No problem. I have no idea in this case. I got the following as a followup response from Pinnacle Dear Client, We apologize but this information was handed down to us by the traders themselves with no explanation as to why. Kind Regards, Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports Perhaps TeamLiquid could request another exclusive interview with one of Pinnacle's esports traders to shed some light on the situation if they agree? My speculation is useless here it could be anything, they have more info than we do is all I know, and they're refusing to offer betting lines on a match that they will make money on (with correct handicapping which their traders are paid to do the more matches of anything they offer the more money they make) so it means something I just don't know what. For the record nobody myself included thinks Prime is fixing matches as an organisation it's just unusual that while this is going on Pinnacle have elected to stop offering bets on Prime's matches specifically. That could be for any number of reasons, related to match fixing or literally anything else, and we won't know why unless Pinnacle comments. The only Prime player involved in a suspicious line movement match was Yoda from memory against Bunny but i'd have to double check my list of matches to confirm. I don't think there's any point talking to Pinnacle until something completely new happens, since they only have the numbers and they're not going to commit to any conclusion. I'd be more interested in talking to Kespa but, as you can imagine, they continue to be very guarded about what they say. I will try to ask again, but no promises.
Agreed, Pinnacle is simply trying to guarantee the growth of their buisiness, nothing worth an interview here.
They want a big growth of the esport betting market, they have introduced plenty of new stuff for LoL (first blood, first turret, ...) they have added CS:GO, etc... But they have voided already 3 bets since the start of the year, for sc2 alone. These voids are made to garantee fairness to their customers but also to build the good reputation that is needed if they want the market to grow.
But voiding once is ok, voiding 3 times starts to hurt their reputation and the esport betting market in general. If they were to void another next week it would be terrible from a business point of view.
So they just preemptively cancel Prime as they think they are the most likely to have "wierd" betting lines - funnily enough none of the voided bets included Prime palyers.
The thing is Pinnacle started esport betting in 2011, so they were not active when the savior scandal occured, but I guess it had impact on the betting market and that Pinnacle is aware of this.
They don't want to actually fight match fixing, they just want to protect the growing business of esport betting.
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