• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:45
CET 21:45
KST 05:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC211[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage19Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 Greetings.. No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Dark returns! GSL CK #7 4v4 Team Battle (Nov 19) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 552 Secret Storm The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift
Brood War
General
Korean players' earnings Hit New All-Time High! BW General Discussion List of top players active on ShieldBattery SOOP Hosts SC1 & SC2 Event Tournament: Kevin Scrim BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[BSL23] Ro16 Group C - Sunday 21:00 CET [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] Ro16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Simple Questions, Simple Answers Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Free Space RTS Game, optimised f. Phone/Tablet etc List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11784 users

Pinnacle voids ByuL vs MarineKing Match - Page 55

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 53 54 55 56 57 64 Next
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-28 03:40:29
March 28 2015 03:37 GMT
#1081
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.

Dear Client,

Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.

Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports

I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same

It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 28 2015 03:46 GMT
#1082
On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.

At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene.

Yeah, this comment is very on point...
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 28 2015 03:50 GMT
#1083
On March 28 2015 12:37 Swoopae wrote:
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.

Dear Client,

Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.

Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports

I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same

It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune


If you had to guess, would you say that systematic betting irregularities is the only thing this decision was based on? Or is it possible that Pinnacle is doing some sleuthing of their own?

Thanks for staying on top of this issue, man. I've been watching horrorstruck since San vs Dark, just waiting for it to explode, and your breakdowns and analyses have been very helpful throughout.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
March 28 2015 06:12 GMT
#1084
As I said that's not necessarily due to match fixing though. It could simply be Prime's 1-12 Indictator and a thought it may not be profitable for Pinnacle to offer odds on a team that might go 0-3 again.

To use an AFL (Australian Rules) parlance, it would have been like a couple years ago offering odds on a Hawthorn-GWS match, not worth the effort in putting up a market.
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 28 2015 06:48 GMT
#1085
Soooo. Still no news from Korea?
And yeah the Prime thing is strange.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
March 28 2015 06:58 GMT
#1086
On March 28 2015 15:48 OtherWorld wrote:
Soooo. Still no news from Korea?
And yeah the Prime thing is strange.

Well Prime players are paid peanuts and already lose a lot. Getting paid to lose would have to be tempting.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
March 28 2015 08:07 GMT
#1087
So now we accuse Prime too ? Well, why stopping there ? Buffalo Sabres can't win shit this season. Probably they are matchfixing too. On top of that, strangely enough, last month they defeated the leader of their division - Montreal... Fishy, fishy.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-28 09:53:41
March 28 2015 08:14 GMT
#1088
On March 28 2015 17:07 Pr0wler wrote:
So now we accuse Prime too ? Well, why stopping there ? Buffalo Sabres can't win shit this season. Probably they are matchfixing too. On top of that, strangely enough, last month they defeated the leader of their division - Montreal... Fishy, fishy.


1. Go back to the OP.
2. Read Rekrul's post.
3. Let me know if any NHL insiders have casually said that "everyone in the league knows that match fixing is rampant, even in playoffs."
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
March 28 2015 08:29 GMT
#1089
On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.

At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene.


To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad.

For that reason, I think people just don't really care.

And some people like scat, what's your point?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 28 2015 08:57 GMT
#1090
On March 28 2015 17:29 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:
On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.

At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene.


To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad.

For that reason, I think people just don't really care.

And some people like scat, what's your point?

that post is almost tumblr level of gold :D
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 28 2015 09:05 GMT
#1091
On March 28 2015 17:29 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:
On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.

At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene.


To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad.

For that reason, I think people just don't really care.

And some people like scat, what's your point?

5/5 would read again

On March 28 2015 15:58 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 15:48 OtherWorld wrote:
Soooo. Still no news from Korea?
And yeah the Prime thing is strange.

Well Prime players are paid peanuts and already lose a lot. Getting paid to lose would have to be tempting.

At least they get paid, I'm not sure if that's the case for other ex-eSF teams (since Prime didn't give salaries before they got sponsored by KTC).
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 28 2015 09:06 GMT
#1092
On March 28 2015 06:57 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 06:49 BronzeKnee wrote:
This thread is really going places.

So is Kespa, MVP and Blizzard just gonna ignore this?

If they do, the finalists at Blizzcon should engage in a faux fixed match just to bring the issue to the light.

It's starting to look like that.. Maybe DJ Helium ore anyone else could tweet to MVP again (I don't use Twitter)?


Sent a tweet just now.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-28 09:14:43
March 28 2015 09:12 GMT
#1093
On March 28 2015 12:50 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 12:37 Swoopae wrote:
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.

Dear Client,

Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.

Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports

I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same

It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune


If you had to guess, would you say that systematic betting irregularities is the only thing this decision was based on? Or is it possible that Pinnacle is doing some sleuthing of their own?

Thanks for staying on top of this issue, man. I've been watching horrorstruck since San vs Dark, just waiting for it to explode, and your breakdowns and analyses have been very helpful throughout.


No problem. I have no idea in this case. I got the following as a followup response from Pinnacle

Dear Client,

We apologize but this information was handed down to us by the traders themselves with no explanation as to why.

Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports

Perhaps TeamLiquid could request another exclusive interview with one of Pinnacle's esports traders to shed some light on the situation if they agree? My speculation is useless here it could be anything, they have more info than we do is all I know, and they're refusing to offer betting lines on a match that they will make money on (with correct handicapping which their traders are paid to do the more matches of anything they offer the more money they make) so it means something I just don't know what.

For the record nobody myself included thinks Prime is fixing matches as an organisation it's just unusual that while this is going on Pinnacle have elected to stop offering bets on Prime's matches specifically. That could be for any number of reasons, related to match fixing or literally anything else, and we won't know why unless Pinnacle comments. The only Prime player involved in a suspicious line movement match was Yoda from memory against Bunny but i'd have to double check my list of matches to confirm.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-28 09:27:52
March 28 2015 09:27 GMT
#1094
^Since I have no idea how betting sites works, who are the "traders"?
And I believe that TerrOr is on your list too, ByuL vs TerrOr R2
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 28 2015 09:38 GMT
#1095
On March 28 2015 17:57 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 17:29 ZAiNs wrote:
On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:
On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.

At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene.


To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad.

For that reason, I think people just don't really care.

And some people like scat, what's your point?

that post is almost tumblr level of gold :D


TL posters are all about showering people with gold.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
March 28 2015 09:47 GMT
#1096
On March 28 2015 17:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
3. Let me know if any NHL industries have casually said that "everyone in the league knows that match fixing is rampant, even in playoffs."

Many people think the Sabers organization is intentionally losing games as a means to draft Connor McDavid. It is the exact same thing as match fixing except there's no outside influence, the tanking is a organizational directive.
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
March 28 2015 09:49 GMT
#1097
On March 28 2015 18:06 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 06:57 Penev wrote:
On March 28 2015 06:49 BronzeKnee wrote:
This thread is really going places.

So is Kespa, MVP and Blizzard just gonna ignore this?

If they do, the finalists at Blizzcon should engage in a faux fixed match just to bring the issue to the light.

It's starting to look like that.. Maybe DJ Helium ore anyone else could tweet to MVP again (I don't use Twitter)?


Sent a tweet just now.

Cool. Now we wait.. Even more..

God, this sucks so much
I Protoss winner, could it be?
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 28 2015 10:06 GMT
#1098
On March 28 2015 18:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 17:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
3. Let me know if any NHL industries have casually said that "everyone in the league knows that match fixing is rampant, even in playoffs."

Many people think the Sabers organization is intentionally losing games as a means to draft Connor McDavid. It is the exact same thing as match fixing except there's no outside influence, the tanking is a organizational directive.


It's not the same, because tanking is a strategy designed to win. You sacrifice short term gain for the prospect of long term gain - and not personal gain, but upping your chances of beating the competition. It's like losing a match to get the easier #2 seed in a SC2 tournament.

But that's beside the point.

Pr0wler was being sarcastic when he implied that the Sabres are doing anything untoward or illegal. You're actually disagreeing with him. So even if I agree with you, we come to both situations being shitty... not both situations being fine.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 28 2015 10:11 GMT
#1099
On March 28 2015 18:12 Swoopae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 12:50 pure.Wasted wrote:
On March 28 2015 12:37 Swoopae wrote:
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.

Dear Client,

Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.

Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports

I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same

It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune


If you had to guess, would you say that systematic betting irregularities is the only thing this decision was based on? Or is it possible that Pinnacle is doing some sleuthing of their own?

Thanks for staying on top of this issue, man. I've been watching horrorstruck since San vs Dark, just waiting for it to explode, and your breakdowns and analyses have been very helpful throughout.


No problem. I have no idea in this case. I got the following as a followup response from Pinnacle

Dear Client,

We apologize but this information was handed down to us by the traders themselves with no explanation as to why.

Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports

Perhaps TeamLiquid could request another exclusive interview with one of Pinnacle's esports traders to shed some light on the situation if they agree? My speculation is useless here it could be anything, they have more info than we do is all I know, and they're refusing to offer betting lines on a match that they will make money on (with correct handicapping which their traders are paid to do the more matches of anything they offer the more money they make) so it means something I just don't know what.

For the record nobody myself included thinks Prime is fixing matches as an organisation it's just unusual that while this is going on Pinnacle have elected to stop offering bets on Prime's matches specifically. That could be for any number of reasons, related to match fixing or literally anything else, and we won't know why unless Pinnacle comments. The only Prime player involved in a suspicious line movement match was Yoda from memory against Bunny but i'd have to double check my list of matches to confirm.


I don't think there's any point talking to Pinnacle until something completely new happens, since they only have the numbers and they're not going to commit to any conclusion. I'd be more interested in talking to Kespa but, as you can imagine, they continue to be very guarded about what they say. I will try to ask again, but no promises.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
March 28 2015 11:30 GMT
#1100
On March 28 2015 19:11 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 18:12 Swoopae wrote:
On March 28 2015 12:50 pure.Wasted wrote:
On March 28 2015 12:37 Swoopae wrote:
Not directly related to this thread, but Pinnacle just confirmed to me that they will no longer offer betting on specifically Prime's proleague matches after not offering their match last week or this week. The week before, the Bunny vs Yoda match experienced unusual betting activity although no idea if that is related or not. This week they're playing MVP, including San in the lineup but not Marineking. They haven't stated that they'll no longer offer betting on any other teams matches going forward though. Email below. I've asked if this is related to match fixing suspicions or not, but don't expect to receive a detailed response, although i'll update if I do.

Dear Client,

Unfortunately we have just been informed that we will not be offering Prime's Proleague matches.

Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports

I tweeted to the MVP team's twitter asking when the statement will be made, i'd encourage others from the community to do the same

It would be good if TL could reach out to Kespa to see if we could get some sort of official response as well even if that response is 'there is no match fixing in proleague so we won't be doing anything' or something to that tune


If you had to guess, would you say that systematic betting irregularities is the only thing this decision was based on? Or is it possible that Pinnacle is doing some sleuthing of their own?

Thanks for staying on top of this issue, man. I've been watching horrorstruck since San vs Dark, just waiting for it to explode, and your breakdowns and analyses have been very helpful throughout.


No problem. I have no idea in this case. I got the following as a followup response from Pinnacle

Dear Client,

We apologize but this information was handed down to us by the traders themselves with no explanation as to why.

Kind Regards,
Customer Service Department / Pinnacle Sports

Perhaps TeamLiquid could request another exclusive interview with one of Pinnacle's esports traders to shed some light on the situation if they agree? My speculation is useless here it could be anything, they have more info than we do is all I know, and they're refusing to offer betting lines on a match that they will make money on (with correct handicapping which their traders are paid to do the more matches of anything they offer the more money they make) so it means something I just don't know what.

For the record nobody myself included thinks Prime is fixing matches as an organisation it's just unusual that while this is going on Pinnacle have elected to stop offering bets on Prime's matches specifically. That could be for any number of reasons, related to match fixing or literally anything else, and we won't know why unless Pinnacle comments. The only Prime player involved in a suspicious line movement match was Yoda from memory against Bunny but i'd have to double check my list of matches to confirm.


I don't think there's any point talking to Pinnacle until something completely new happens, since they only have the numbers and they're not going to commit to any conclusion. I'd be more interested in talking to Kespa but, as you can imagine, they continue to be very guarded about what they say. I will try to ask again, but no promises.


Agreed, Pinnacle is simply trying to guarantee the growth of their buisiness, nothing worth an interview here.

They want a big growth of the esport betting market, they have introduced plenty of new stuff for LoL (first blood, first turret, ...) they have added CS:GO, etc... But they have voided already 3 bets since the start of the year, for sc2 alone. These voids are made to garantee fairness to their customers but also to build the good reputation that is needed if they want the market to grow.

But voiding once is ok, voiding 3 times starts to hurt their reputation and the esport betting market in general. If they were to void another next week it would be terrible from a business point of view.

So they just preemptively cancel Prime as they think they are the most likely to have "wierd" betting lines - funnily enough none of the voided bets included Prime palyers.

The thing is Pinnacle started esport betting in 2011, so they were not active when the savior scandal occured, but I guess it had impact on the betting market and that Pinnacle is aware of this.

They don't want to actually fight match fixing, they just want to protect the growing business of esport betting.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Prev 1 53 54 55 56 57 64 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
05:00
S23 - Ro16 Group C
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
ZZZero.O463
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 114
EmSc Tv 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1346
ZZZero.O 463
firebathero 103
Dota 2
Gorgc5195
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2287
allub632
zeus447
gobbtv213
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King59
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor354
Other Games
Grubby3182
Liquid`RaSZi2150
syndereN205
UpATreeSC33
tarik_tv30
Railgan18
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2634
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 22
EmSc2Tv 22
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hinosc 20
• Reevou 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1462
• Shiphtur512
Upcoming Events
SOOP
13h 15m
soO vs FanTaSy
WardiTV Weekly
15h 15m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 20h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL
5 days
eOnzErG vs StRyKeR
Cross vs JDConan
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
Bonyth vs Doodle
Kyrie vs Jimin
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-14
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
IEM Kraków 2027
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.