Losing on purpose to get a better match up in the next round is completely different than match fixing. Honestly I see no foul play in that scenario...only a smart calculated decision that shouldn't be punished.

Penev

28535 Posts

March 27 2015 22:24 GMT

#1063

He, I miss Totalpollo, that was a hell of an Archon

On March 28 2015 07:21 Grizvok wrote:
Losing on purpose to get a better match up in the next round is completely different than match fixing. Honestly I see no foul play in that scenario...only a smart calculated decision that shouldn't be punished.

I can't say I agree with that but it is certainly far less damaging than true match fixing. I'm glad this isn't possible any more since almost every tournament uses the GSL format.

Yorbon

Netherlands4272 Posts

March 27 2015 22:25 GMT

#1064

Obvious' use is obviously not justified here. How can people not see that?

But more ontopic, has there been any news around the mvp statement yet, other than 'just wait patiently'?

Penev

28535 Posts

March 27 2015 22:28 GMT

#1065

On March 28 2015 07:25 Yorbon wrote:
Obvious' use is obviously not justified here. How can people not see that?

But more ontopic, has there been any news around the mvp statement yet, other than 'just wait patiently'?

Are you trolling?

And no

Solar424

United States4001 Posts

March 27 2015 22:32 GMT

#1066

On March 28 2015 07:13 riotjune wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X3nS8GmGQI

The context is completely different: Both players were basically already through to the next round. Whoever won that series was probably going on to play Sen, who was a very scary player at the time, so neither were trying too hard to win.

Wuster

1974 Posts

March 27 2015 22:35 GMT

#1067

Ya it's different than what we're speculating about here for sure. But it gets punished in other leagues and sports because it's not competing honestly and does fall under the definition of match fixing (aka trying to predetermine the outcome). But match fixing is a loaded term so we usually call it something else, like 'tanking' or 'resting the starters', I guess I was being provocative =p.

Grizvok

United States711 Posts

March 27 2015 22:39 GMT

#1068

On March 28 2015 07:24 Penev wrote:
He, I miss Totalpollo, that was a hell of an Archon

Show nested quote +

I can't say I agree with that but it is certainly far less damaging than true match fixing. I'm glad this isn't possible any more since almost every tournament uses the GSL format.

Agree to disagree I guess, but mentioning both in the same breath is illogical.

cheekymonkey

France1387 Posts

March 27 2015 22:51 GMT

#1069

Any reason whatsoever MKP may have had for losing that match intentionally could have gone out to the betters,

Penev

28535 Posts

March 27 2015 22:58 GMT

#1070

On March 28 2015 07:51 cheekymonkey wrote:
Any reason whatsoever MKP may have had for losing that match intentionally could have gone out to the betters,

Because he told them?

J/k

timchen1017

37 Posts

March 27 2015 23:11 GMT

#1071

Very sad no announcement has been made yet...

But even this points to at least something going on... if MarineKing is completely innocent and just played a horrible match, it shouldn't be hard for him to at least tell us about his physical state at the match and his intent of play at the time.

Even without knowledge of the betting line, the game is already weird to the extent that the casters cannot explain his play at all. It is not something such as a split second decision or a misclick that can still happen from time to time, despite player's best effort. That alone might just be a horrible game to look at again for outsiders and fans, but for a serious pro player and team they already need to look back and figure out what goes horribly wrong in the player's mind.

Now with the skewed line movements they have the responsibility to make their post match analysis available to the public. The absence of such statements really points toward the guilty side.

By the way, I really find this game insults MK's own statement. How can you play like that and still claim pride in playing professionally?

maGicc

Finland134 Posts

March 27 2015 23:29 GMT

#1072

MVP are sure taking their time with the statement.

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

March 28 2015 00:23 GMT

#1073

Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.

At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene.

maGicc

Finland134 Posts

March 28 2015 01:56 GMT

#1074

Here is another piece of information - looks like Pinnacle decided to stay away from offering the lines for any Sc2 matches that include players from team Prime. They are also refusing to give any explanations or reasoning behind it.

showstealer1829

Australia3123 Posts

March 28 2015 02:10 GMT

#1075

On March 28 2015 10:56 maGicc wrote:
Here is another piece of information - looks like Pinnacle decided to stay away from offering the lines for any Sc2 matches that include players from team Prime. They are also refusing to give any explanations or reasoning behind it.

Might have something to do with Prime's 1-12 Indicator this round rather than anything suspect.

BronzeKnee

United States5224 Posts

March 28 2015 02:12 GMT

#1076

On March 28 2015 09:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the community reaction if this was 2012. This is a sad state of affairs lol. Literally the most heinous thing that could occur in the scene is happening, and the major parties in the scene have not said anything about it. I don't even know what to say. And there's no valid argument that sweeping this under the rug is a good decision. The fact that we would even debate the question is a very sad state of affairs.

At no point in SC2's history, until now, has it been reasonable to say that something is killing the scene.

To be fair, I think a lot of people, myself included, think the game is a former shell of itself. I just think HOTS is a complete wreck compared to WOL. The Nexus Cannon, Abduct, Widow Mines, skilless units and abilities, which replaced things like early Protoss unit micro and Siege Tanks. It's just sad.

For that reason, I think people just don't really care.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

March 28 2015 02:36 GMT

#1077

2012 also had less Kespa, who is more organized and can keep informations under closure. And they also don't care at all about what people outside of Korea think. So as long as the witchhunt doesn't reach the Korean community there won't be happening much.

FASSW

Sweden49 Posts

March 28 2015 02:58 GMT

#1078

wth i dislike this ;_;

Spect8rCraft

649 Posts

March 28 2015 03:07 GMT

#1079

Well, until someone of officious stature declares some news, I guess the silver lining to this whole debacle is that it reminds us that matchfixing/illegal gambling/blatant throwing is still indeed a part of the game that should be investigated. Hopefully it won't take more games like this to drill it into the heads of Kespa/Blizzard...

Grizvok

United States711 Posts

March 28 2015 03:10 GMT

#1080

On March 28 2015 11:12 BronzeKnee wrote:

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As someone who joined the scene in hots I think this is just a case of the game being different and that's why you dislike it. Calling xyz skill less because you fail at using it properly is a far cry away from being unbalanced or damaging to the game. I've seen lots of WoL games since I did join the scene and it isn't even close to as complex. I'm not saying inifinte complexity is always a good thing but honestly sc2 is insanely fun. And I doubt you'll really like lotv which is going to just add more complexity on top of what you already don't like.

People have to face the fact that rts is never going to be fps or moba-like in terms of popularity and we can truthfully only expect these viewer numbers to slightly increase but more than likely continue to dwindle. Nor will the player bases ever match the numbers of those same types of games. It just isn't going to happen.