ReDeYe has announced that he will be stepping down from his position as a host/commentator at ESL in order to pursue other opportunities.
My time with ESL came at a point in my life where all of the bricks fell into place and they offered me the chance to do the things I loved doing. I will be forever grateful for the opportunity given to me by good friends such as Ralf Reichert, Tobias Grieser and Sven Hoffmann. My time at ESL has seen enormous growth, not only for esports but for ESL too, and I'd like to think I played a small role in some of that.
One of the many reasons this was such a hard decision is because I have had the true pleasure of working with some of the finest minds in esports over the last two and half years. Working alongside Michal Blicharz, James Lampkin and Oliver Lossef among many, many talented people has been a real honour and I have learned a great deal from them.
ReDeYe also states that he has been offered a different position somewhere else in eSports that has not yet been made public.
Update: ReDeYe has joined Gfinity as the head of broadcasting.
“Paul’s arrival marks an important step in our journey to becoming the number one choice for gamers and esports enthusiasts internationally." Gfinity CEO Neville Upton said in a statement. "With ten years’ experience of working in the sector he has developed an unrivalled knowledge and understanding of what it takes to run a world class esports programme and we are thrilled to have him on board.”
In addition to working for ESL, Chaloner also previously worked in digital marketing. He has hosted some of the biggest tournaments in esports, including the Intel Extreme Masters.
Redeye was one of the people who helped me keep believing that esports could maybe one day become mainstream because he could be host to anything (any sport) and he would look just right. (No insult but most hosts and commentators just look nerdy but he always gave a professional aura....)
On March 11 2015 05:21 sharkie wrote: Redeye was one of the people who helped me keep believing that esports could maybe one day become mainstream because he could be host to anything (any sport) and he would look just right. (No insult but most hosts and commentators just look nerdy but he always gave a professional aura....)
This so much. ReDeYe was making eSports look as professional as traditional sports.
His roots are in counterstrike right? I wouldn't be surprised if he's been offered a position somewhere that will have him working more closely with that scene than rather than his heavily Starcraft related work at ESL.
Hate to see him go, but so thankful for all the hard work he put into representing our game and our community with such professionalism.
Argh, hopefully he will announce that his new position will still have him host lot of other StarCraft2 tournaments >.> He's an incredibly good host...
Wow that is a big surprise. Seems people are confident that he will go to GFinity. Hope he can make as big of an impact there as he did at ESL and throughout his career in esports/SC2.
You're doing such a fantastic job as a host, I hope you'll be any bit as succesfull at whatever you're doing next! Loved you at the WCS Seasonal Finals in Cologne when I was there live.
QQ, he's always doing a really awesome job! Hopefully he stays in the scene, but tbh I don't see another company invested into SC2 picking him up Nonetheless good luck for his future endeavours!
Wow. MLG giving up SC2 was a huge loss. DH just announcing 3/6 of their events having SC2 was a big loss.
This, however, might possibly top the cake. Greatest host ever and made every tournament a little more 'legit'. Hopefully he will find success wherever it is he goes, hopefully still here.
I hope he keeps working on SC2. When I first saw him I was like, "who is this old man?" but it didn't take long to see the professionalism and dedication he brought to all the ESL events. Definitely my favorite host.
It's obvious a big majority of you have the reading comprehension level of a middle schooler. He said he got offered another position in eSports, that means he isn't leaving eSports so for those of you writing please don't leave the scene you obviously didn't put 2 and 2 together.
On March 11 2015 06:28 KMART561 wrote: It's obvious a big majority of you have the reading comprehension level of a middle schooler. He said he got offered another position in eSports, that means he isn't leaving eSports so for those of you writing please don't leave the scene you obviously didn't put 2 and 2 together.
They mean the SC2 scene.
ESports means he could be casting CS GO or Dota or LoL.
It will be interesting to see where he ends up. I'll watch whatever events he ends up hosting next (if indeed he is still a host). Thanks Redeye for bringing your razor sharp britwit to the scene.
On March 11 2015 06:28 KMART561 wrote: It's obvious a big majority of you have the reading comprehension level of a middle schooler. He said he got offered another position in eSports, that means he isn't leaving eSports so for those of you writing please don't leave the scene you obviously didn't put 2 and 2 together.
Leaving the scene to those people most likely means leaving SC2. That's not that difficult to understand even for middle school pups.
thats a big loss for the SC2 scene. redeye always brought more class to any show than all the other nerds combined. I dont see anyone who can replace him.
also lol at that american idiot video on the first page. redeye handled that like a baws
Just like others, I've seen him casting some CS:GO. I guess there is also much more money to come in CS/GO, so he is doing the right move if going this way. I'll miss you ReDeYe. See you somewhere else.
Wish you the best, ReDeYe! You've brought some great moments to our events and helped push an approachable type of professionalism. Hope you're not a stranger to the SC2 scene.
He's done wonders for SC2, was a real joy having him as a host who seemed, and indeed had passion in what he was doing. I remember a few weeks ago watching a Hot_Bid interview with Redeye about how stuff was going, and he did mention that financially things weren't great despite doing what he loved (not sure how old it was, don't think it was too long ago). I hope everything is alright on that end.
I also heard he used to play Unreal Tournament a few years back from a little birdie I know, and I know that a few of the ESL team come from the UT scene (rondrian is one name I remember from UT2004 for example). I hope they replace him with someone worthy of the title. DeMusliM now that he is a free agent? xD
This is a really big loss, I've always been a big fan of Redeye. He's been a very prominent figure in the SC2 scene for many years and done an excellent job as a host.
He's given the community very much and I'm sad to see him go. Still, I hope he finds new challenges and opportunities elsewhere and can be an equally prominent figure somewhere else.
Wish him all the best of luck and thanks for what he's given us.
God I hope Redeye stays with SC2. It might be a pipe dream, and I like watching other games besides starcraft, but I'd like the old faces to stick around as long as possible
Damn! Paul is so iconic persona of the scene, on par with Carmac or Tastosis. He will be definitely mi ssed, but I can understand his move. He is not the youngest part of our community. And it is absolutely logical that he is going where he can get the most of his skills. I mean, we all love him, for his work and personality, but unfortunately our game is not able to support the best in the business as good as other games. I do not care if he joins CS:GO, Dota, Riot or Minecraft. You sir, deserves only the best for your work and dedication and I am truly grateful, that you were the major part of community of my game. Best luck, Paul!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! He really did help evolve Esports and give it the professional look it deserves. Please stay in the scene!! I hope he didn't switch to CS:GO. As much as I love that game as well, its just not the same Trying to replace him is going to be nay impossible.
Redeye is one of the figures in esports that I don't merely like, but I have an earnest, genuine respect for. His contributions to the scene - to EVERY scene - cannot be understated.
And more importantly, that contribution is also not over. He's going to still be one of the all-time giants of esports with this new job. I agree with those who suspect that GFinity's made a power play here. He'll be missed at IEMs and whatnot, but I'm excited to see what his new role will have to offer to him. So instead of a "NOOOOOOO " thread, this should be a congratulations thread! Congrats to Redeye, and I'm looking forward to his new ventures! #PLOW
I'd imagine this decision is largely in a desire to work in the U.K. (closer to his family). I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a job at Gfinity or some other respectable company. Most importantly I hope dearly he stays in the sc2 scene, he is an irreplaceable asset to our community.
RedEye is a pretty amazing host, and professional, but I've read from a lot of sources he's quite the shark in private business, and value his ego quite a lot, so heeeeh... Not surprised.
On March 11 2015 08:32 Circumstance wrote: Redeye is one of the figures in esports that I don't merely like, but I have an earnest, genuine respect for. His contributions to the scene - to EVERY scene - cannot be understated.
And more importantly, that contribution is also not over. He's going to still be one of the all-time giants of esports with this new job. I agree with those who suspect that GFinity's made a power play here. He'll be missed at IEMs and whatnot, but I'm excited to see what his new role will have to offer to him. So instead of a "NOOOOOOO " thread, this should be a congratulations thread! Congrats to Redeye, and I'm looking forward to his new ventures! #PLOW
Your words carry the stench of truth.
Ever since I listened to Thorin's interview with Paul, I've had nothing but respect for the guy. Very humble, very hard working, and, in spite of anything Paul himself might say, very talented.
He's given eSports a lot, and I hope eSports has realized that and started to pay him back in kind. IEM won't be the same without him.
Though I haven't seen his casting in ages, from what I remember, he always seemed professional in what he did and I loved that fact. Best of luck in what you do ReDeYe!
Redeye was a solid host. I don't actually think Redeye's hosting abilities will be missed all that much, but what MIGHT e missed is the professionalism that he brought to his projects. When you pair Redeye with Apollo +1 casting you get a much more professional feel than you get with most any other host/commentators in the scene and the entire event comes across in some way like its a level above. I've wondered though if in an era where sc2 numbers are declining and jobs are shrinking from 2 years ago if having smaller teams isn't financially smart.
I'm sad to hear about this since he was my favorite host but I'm glad he's already found another position that (I assume) he will be happier with. Good luck, ReDeYe!!
On March 11 2015 12:11 BreAKerTV wrote: I thought it was a bit strange that I didn't see him at IEM Taipei. Certainly one of the more pleasant personalities in eSports
I just hope his replacement is someone he would approve of. Sucks taking a new job when you know your replacement sucks.
Feels like your screwing all the other people you care about if you are leaving them with a schmuck.
Not that you expect them to step in and be better (in which case one probably should of left earlier), just when it's obvious they will never be competent, let alone as good.
The fact that there are literally no negative comments about ReDeYe in this thread, like there are in any other retirement/stepping-down thread, is clearly indicative of how great he is. I'm still scared that he might go to CS:GO or something instead of Gfinity.
On March 11 2015 05:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Too bad. He was by far the best host in eSports. I wonder who will take up his role for ESL; it'll be daunting task to follow up ReDeYe.
Bummer, I really liked him as a host. And that says something, as I don't like hosts in general. I hope he at least goes to something interesting if not another SC2 organization.
On March 11 2015 15:05 OtherWorld wrote: The fact that there are literally no negative comments about ReDeYe in this thread, like there are in any other retirement/stepping-down thread, is clearly indicative of how great he is. I'm still scared that he might go to CS:GO or something instead of Gfinity.
It's not like Gfinity is a Starcraft-only tournament brand. They've made a very major, quite long-term commitment to a variety of esports. This year alone, Gfinity's esports arena is hosting 30 live events between SC2, CS:GO, Hearthstone, COD, and FIFA.
On March 11 2015 15:05 OtherWorld wrote: The fact that there are literally no negative comments about ReDeYe in this thread, like there are in any other retirement/stepping-down thread, is clearly indicative of how great he is. I'm still scared that he might go to CS:GO or something instead of Gfinity.
It's not like Gfinity is a Starcraft-only tournament brand. They've made a very major, quite long-term commitment to a variety of esports. This year alone, Gfinity's esports arena is hosting 30 live events between SC2, CS:GO, Hearthstone, COD, and FIFA.
Well I was talking about being a host only for Gfinity's SC2 events. I don't think we've seen hosts cover different games at a same event in the past, did we?
Redeye is a lot more than your average ESL employee, it isnt that good of a sign when the first officer leaves the ship. He is also right, esports has grown a lot while he was there.
Kinda makes me wonder if ESL isnt going through some problems
On March 11 2015 15:22 xtorn wrote: Redeye is a lot more than your average ESL employee, it isnt that good of a sign when the first officer leaves the ship. He is also right, esports has grown a lot while he was there.
Kinda makes me wonder if ESL isnt going through some problems
He has been on the mic for over 13 years, he deserves a change of direction and some rest.
He was a very important figurehead to the scene, it hurts more since the recent news of DH dropping sc2. But Redeye has given SC2 so much since he became the host of ESL and we should celebrate his contribution to our scene.
I expect him to end up in CS:GO. Hes been casting a fair bit for them and its clear to see that his FPS knowledge is far greater than his strategy game knowledge. Then again with Gfinity rising up as a top event organisation i actually feel he could end up at Gfinity since its a UK project.
Anyway we can theorize what will happen but we wont know until he announces it, best of luck Redeye and thank you
Best of luck with whatever he chooses to do next. He did a great job for the scene while he was here, but especially being from an FPS background it wouldn't surprise me if he's found something to do with his first passion
On March 11 2015 20:01 The_Templar wrote: Update: ReDeYe has joined Gfinity as the head of broadcasting. Source It doesn't specify as to whether this is SC2 related.
Gfinity's gonna grow into a really big thing, it seems.
I hope that he will be able to at least get invited as a host to some events even if he is not the "in-house" person. There is no other thing that comes even close in hype to Redeye on a big stage.
On March 11 2015 20:01 The_Templar wrote: Update: ReDeYe has joined Gfinity as the head of broadcasting. Source It doesn't specify as to whether this is SC2 related.
Gfinity's gonna grow into a really big thing, it seems.
The executive experience of Dreamhack, the broadcasting expertise and online event structure of the ESL, and the venue preparation of MLG. They're in this for the long haul.
Keep in mind that Paul has been casting for years before he joined sc2, and with Gfinity's wide scene I wouldn't be surprised to see him host both SC:GO and SC2, if not even more.
On March 11 2015 20:19 digmouse wrote: Now I'm a fan of Gfinity.
Same. I thought it was cool they brought Robert Ohlen on board too (I totally missed that until this morning, I know it's old news). Makes me even more a fan of them.
Congratulations on your new position Paul, and congratulations on the opportunities you've earned! Best wishes and best luck!
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
On March 11 2015 20:01 The_Templar wrote: Update: ReDeYe has joined Gfinity as the head of broadcasting. Source It doesn't specify as to whether this is SC2 related.
Gfinity's gonna grow into a really big thing, it seems.
The executive experience of Dreamhack, the broadcasting expertise and online event structure of the ESL, and the venue preparation of MLG. They're in this for the long haul.
Gfinity G3 showed what they can do. IMO they can become solid competition for Dreamhack.
this is really sad news. first saw him hosting the british qualifier for wcs two years ago and he took hosting a sc2 event to the next level. guess he will now be able to see his family more often when he is located in England again. (gfinity is British right?)
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
(Take that from the Frogs Perfidious Albion )
lmao.* Sweden, Finland or even Norway are so much ahead in terms of players compared to France.
after Korea
/Facepalm
by the way, just for enlightenment, is there a uk player still performing ? (:p)
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
(Take that from the Frogs Perfidious Albion )
lmao.* Sweden, Finland or even Norway are so much ahead in terms of players compared to France.
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
(Take that from the Frogs Perfidious Albion )
lmao.* Sweden, Finland or even Norway are so much ahead in terms of players compared to France.
after Korea
/Facepalm
by the way, just for enlightenment, is there a uk player still performing ? (:p)
Finland might be close to France, but Sweden and Norway? Please. And I guess BlinG is still performing? He had decent results last year.
Well Lilbow and MLord are skillwise compareable with snute and TargA, Firecake isn't that good (if playing long gakes is not taken into account) and Drogo? He is also not that great of a player. Sweden lost their touch though recently and finnland is skillwise with serral and welmu compareable with mlord and lilbow
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
(Take that from the Frogs Perfidious Albion )
lmao.* Sweden, Finland or even Norway are so much ahead in terms of players compared to France.
after Korea
/Facepalm
by the way, just for enlightenment, is there a uk player still performing ? (:p)
Finland might be close to France, but Sweden and Norway? Please. And I guess BlinG is still performing? He had decent results last year.
Well Lilbow and MLord are skillwise compareable with snute and TargA, Firecake isn't that good (if playing long gakes is not taken into account) and Drogo? He is also not that great of a player.
Snute is arguably better than any French player currently, but Lilbow, MLord, FireCake and possibly Drogo are above TargA. And we are talking about 4 players for France, while only two for Norway. I love Eiki but he is not on the level of said French players, just like anyone else from the Norwegian scene. Sweden is basically Norway but weaker, and Finland has two very good players.
Sad to see him leave ESL, he was always a pleasure to watch in both WCS and IEM, whoever ESL get to fill his shoes has a massive hole to fill (and drop merchandise in too ).
Gfinity is gonna be so good with both Robert Ohlen and Redeye part of the company. Hopefully they'll fill the void left by DH and boost the UK e-Sports scene. (EVENTS IN THE NORTHERN HALF THE COUNTRY PLS)
Sad to see Paul leave ESL because he was one of the crucial faces of the organization but Gfinity must be close to his heart due to being in the UK. On Gfinity's side the organization is picking up some big people like Robert Ohlen and now Paul.
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
(Take that from the Frogs Perfidious Albion )
lmao.* Sweden, Finland or even Norway are so much ahead in terms of players compared to France.
after Korea
/Facepalm
by the way, just for enlightenment, is there a uk player still performing ? (:p)
Finland might be close to France, but Sweden and Norway? Please. And I guess BlinG is still performing? He had decent results last year.
Well Lilbow and MLord are skillwise compareable with snute and TargA, Firecake isn't that good (if playing long gakes is not taken into account) and Drogo? He is also not that great of a player.
Snute is arguably better than any French player currently, but Lilbow, MLord, FireCake and possibly Drogo are above TargA. And we are talking about 4 players for France, while only two for Norway. I love Eiki but he is not on the level of said French players, just like anyone else from the Norwegian scene. Sweden is basically Norway but weaker, and Finland has two very good players.
I do agree with OtherWorld even though I was just horsin' around with my first post actually.
Gfinity looks really sick to be honest! Weekly content rotating Starcraft 2, Hearthstone, CS:GO, Fifa and Call of Duty.
Weekly content from march to november. I can see this becoming really popular and it could be a great local place to hang out regularly for londoners.
The line-up for the first SC2 event is quite decent too considering its only $10k prizepool with MC, Parting, Rain, ForGG, Jaedong, Soulkey, Bunny, Snute + 8 qualifiers. Im definetely gonna tune in. The Hearthstone event has an awesome lineup too with many of the biggest names in hearthstone. Maybe i'll even tune into CS:GO, im not very into the competitive cs:go scene yet but it seems to be thriving. Also Fifa regularly pulls in more viewers than sc2 nowadays just with some random streamers i've never heard of. I think they deserve some events.
Not sure if they can keep it up to get great players that people want to watch every week consistently though.
Glad he ended up going to Gfinity. They seem to have some potentially huge plans in the future, and someone like Redeye wouldn't just go for the money and risk losing his place in the scene unless there was a structured plan .
Superb host for SC2 / ESL and i wish him all the best in his new adventures. SC2 scene will miss him, so lets hope he drops in from time too time to host the odd event
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
(Take that from the Frogs Perfidious Albion )
lmao.* Sweden, Finland or even Norway are so much ahead in terms of players compared to France.
after Korea
/Facepalm
by the way, just for enlightenment, is there a uk player still performing ? (:p)
Finland might be close to France, but Sweden and Norway? Please. And I guess BlinG is still performing? He had decent results last year.
Well Lilbow and MLord are skillwise compareable with snute and TargA, Firecake isn't that good (if playing long gakes is not taken into account) and Drogo? He is also not that great of a player.
Snute is arguably better than any French player currently, but Lilbow, MLord, FireCake and possibly Drogo are above TargA. And we are talking about 4 players for France, while only two for Norway. I love Eiki but he is not on the level of said French players, just like anyone else from the Norwegian scene. Sweden is basically Norway but weaker, and Finland has two very good players.
Snute is better than any french player has ever been and by far, he could probably all-kill them, 1 at the top is always better than 4 average. Finland seems to be in a better shape than Sweden, Morrow has not yet find the correct gameplay for midmacro game and naniwa...well naniwa what else? I dont know if welmu fixed his pvp but if he did, he could propably take them all except Mlord and Serral is on fire^^
But i believe french folks will be rising soon, the growth of ogaming can be a huge help for the french scene. I hope one day they'll be as good as Vasa, the greatest caster of the universe.
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
(Take that from the Frogs Perfidious Albion )
lmao.* Sweden, Finland or even Norway are so much ahead in terms of players compared to France.
after Korea
/Facepalm
by the way, just for enlightenment, is there a uk player still performing ? (:p)
Finland might be close to France, but Sweden and Norway? Please. And I guess BlinG is still performing? He had decent results last year.
Well Lilbow and MLord are skillwise compareable with snute and TargA, Firecake isn't that good (if playing long gakes is not taken into account) and Drogo? He is also not that great of a player.
Snute is arguably better than any French player currently, but Lilbow, MLord, FireCake and possibly Drogo are above TargA. And we are talking about 4 players for France, while only two for Norway. I love Eiki but he is not on the level of said French players, just like anyone else from the Norwegian scene. Sweden is basically Norway but weaker, and Finland has two very good players.
Snute is better than any french player has ever been and by far, he could probably all-kill them, 1 at the top is always better than 4 average. Finland seems to be in a better shape than Sweden, Morrow has not yet find the correct gameplay for midmacro game and naniwa...well naniwa what else? I dont know if welmu fixed his pvp but if he did, he could propably take them all except Mlord and Serral is on fire^^
But i believe french folks will be rising soon, the growth of ogaming can be a huge help for the french scene. I hope one day they'll be as good as Vasa, the greatest caster of the universe.
On March 11 2015 22:31 KatatoniK wrote: Gfinity is gonna be so good with both Robert Ohlen and Redeye part of the company. Hopefully they'll fill the void left by DH and boost the UK e-Sports scene. (EVENTS IN THE NORTHERN HALF THE COUNTRY PLS)
Sorry to disappoint, but you don't buy your own arena if you're planning on going on the road.
I think Gfinity is great but i dont believe it will be great for the sc2 scene. The UK scene for sc2 is practically non existent. We have a handful of players, no more. But it will be great to have a huge esport organisation in the uk anyway, best of luck to redeye.
Also, snute seems in a really good mental state lately which is hard at his level of play ( stephano could not managed it :S) and hopefully will be on the 2015 wcs finals.
Also, snute seems in a really good mental state lately which is hard at his level of play ( stephano could not managed it :S) and hopefully will be on the 2015 wcs finals.
Also, snute seems in a really good mental state lately which is hard at his level of play ( stephano could not managed it :S) and hopefully will be on the 2015 wcs finals.
Stephano was a stronger player relative to the playerbase than Snute has really ever been, although Snute wasn't at the same level in that era as he is now. However could Stephano have done as well in the post-Kespa era as Snute has?
Both hypotheticals of course, let's just enjoy probably the two best foreigners of their respective eras (Y)
On March 11 2015 20:34 REyeM wrote: The brits are taking over the world! <3 Gfinity <3 TCM
But as far as SC2 is concerned, they'll never rule as players. France, however, is becoming the next best thing after Korea with PetitDrogo, Lilbow, MLorD and FireCake.
(Take that from the Frogs Perfidious Albion )
lmao.* Sweden, Finland or even Norway are so much ahead in terms of players compared to France.
after Korea
/Facepalm
by the way, just for enlightenment, is there a uk player still performing ? (:p)
Finland might be close to France, but Sweden and Norway? Please. And I guess BlinG is still performing? He had decent results last year.
Well Lilbow and MLord are skillwise compareable with snute and TargA, Firecake isn't that good (if playing long gakes is not taken into account) and Drogo? He is also not that great of a player.
Snute is arguably better than any French player currently, but Lilbow, MLord, FireCake and possibly Drogo are above TargA. And we are talking about 4 players for France, while only two for Norway. I love Eiki but he is not on the level of said French players, just like anyone else from the Norwegian scene. Sweden is basically Norway but weaker, and Finland has two very good players.
Snute is better than any french player has ever been and by far, he could probably all-kill them, 1 at the top is always better than 4 average. Finland seems to be in a better shape than Sweden, Morrow has not yet find the correct gameplay for midmacro game and naniwa...well naniwa what else? I dont know if welmu fixed his pvp but if he did, he could propably take them all except Mlord and Serral is on fire^^
But i believe french folks will be rising soon, the growth of ogaming can be a huge help for the french scene. I hope one day they'll be as good as Vasa, the greatest caster of the universe.
You havent been around long hmm ? Stephano does that ring a bell ?
On March 12 2015 07:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Stephano was a stronger player relative to the playerbase than Snute has really ever been, although Snute wasn't at the same level in that era as he is now. However could Stephano have done as well in the post-Kespa era as Snute has?
Both hypotheticals of course, let's just enjoy probably the two best foreigners of their respective eras (Y)
indeed the broodlord-infestor era ... i am kidding ( or i am? :p )
I dont really understand your first statement. Snute slowly rose to be the best foreigner at the moment, same as stephano was. Also I believe the skill level has increased considerably over the last couple of years with, as you mentionned it, yeaa kespa.
Wait untill the end of the year and we'll continue this conversation.If Snute manage to qualify for wcs finals, he'll have earn the title of best foreigner of sc2.
For me, they have equal stats and achievements and i have faith that Snute'll perform at a higher level really soon .
In that Stephano was winning or placing very high in tournaments consistently that had great Korean lineups, something no other foreigner has really done. Stephano was among the favourites for tournaments rather than 'He might make the Ro8 with good bracket luck'
Snute of today transplanted to that era would likely be a similar monster but it's hard to compare them for the reasons I outlined earlier. They're quite similar too, both mechanically sound but also strategically intelligent and a bit ahead of the curve.
On March 12 2015 10:02 Wombat_NI wrote: In that Stephano was winning or placing very high in tournaments consistently that had great Korean lineups, something no other foreigner has really done. Stephano was among the favourites for tournaments rather than 'He might make the Ro8 with good bracket luck'
Snute of today transplanted to that era would likely be a similar monster but it's hard to compare them for the reasons I outlined earlier. They're quite similar too, both mechanically sound but also strategically intelligent and a bit ahead of the curve.
Indeed, every time i watch a tournament with snute in it, easy to bet he'll be in Ro8.
Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
If we go on with skill comparison (which is pretty darn stupid anyways) we should not compare skill with players from the past or former skill of players but instead compare their skill right now which obviously makes snute stronger than stephano IS RIGHT NOW (my point here)
Edit: In my opinion the competition also grew stronger which makes it even harder to compare those players
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
Always liked redeye as a host, brought a level of professionalism to the stage other hosts/casters just don't have. Seeing him move to gfinity is real interesting.
Ok so what does this mean now hes with Gfinity? Will he be casting SC2 still? Sorry I don't know a whole lot about Gfinity and what games they indulge in. I know I've seen the Gfinity sc2 tournaments but I'm guessing they're involved in other games. CS:GO ? Seems quite an interesting move, especially if he's still just casting SC2, and I wonder how much of it had to do with money? I will seriously miss Redeye on ESL and I don't know if its possible to fill his shoes even remotely. Along with age comes that respect and professionalism he brought to the table. Even for people watching for the first time he was someone you could instantly like and those are few and far between. Lots of new people to the scene take warming up to or have to go through the ringer before there accepted.
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
If we go on with skill comparison (which is pretty darn stupid anyways) we should not compare skill with players from the past or former skill of players but instead compare their skill right now which obviously makes snute stronger than stephano IS RIGHT NOW (my point here)
Edit: In my opinion the competition also grew stronger which makes it even harder to compare those players
Thats the thing with comparisons, they are really hard to do objectively, however saying that you should compare their skill at the moment of the comparison is like the worse of all. If you'd go with your suggestion, then whatever amateur boxer you find on a gym would be better than muhammad ali.. So i think the most "objective" would be to compare both players when they were at their peak. And i think that stephano had a higher "peak" than Snute (at the moment, Snute can of course still get better). But yeah, as you said, making a comparison is a hard thing to do because there are a lot of situations that can lead up to certain results, however i didn't tought people said snute was this good, maybe I'm not giving him enough credit.
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
Then who's the best foreigner in your opinion?
Right now, Snute proably, but overall, i still think Stephano was better.
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
If we go on with skill comparison (which is pretty darn stupid anyways) we should not compare skill with players from the past or former skill of players but instead compare their skill right now which obviously makes snute stronger than stephano IS RIGHT NOW (my point here)
Edit: In my opinion the competition also grew stronger which makes it even harder to compare those players
Thats the thing with comparisons, they are really hard to do objectively, however saying that you should compare their skill at the moment of the comparison is like the worse of all. If you'd go with your suggestion, then whatever amateur boxer you find on a gym would be better than muhammad ali.. So i think the most "objective" would be to compare both players when they were at their peak. And i think that stephano had a higher "peak" than Snute (at the moment, Snute can of course still get better). But yeah, as you said, making a comparison is a hard thing to do because there are a lot of situations that can lead up to certain results, however i didn't tought people said snute was this good, maybe I'm not giving him enough credit.
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
Then who's the best foreigner in your opinion?
Right now, Snute proably, but overall, i still think Stephano was better.
It is going to be a long time I think before anyone touches Stephano. The way he came out, winning two big tournaments and defeating tons of good foreigners and 5 solid Koreans including MKP (when MKP was in his prime) is pretty amazing. And then of course he followed that up with more stellar performances like his win at NASL Season 3, going throug Hero, MC and Alicia.
Would have been an amazing career for even a Korean, easily the top performing foreigner.
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
Then who's the best foreigner in your opinion?
Poltu!!! I think Naniwa should be seen as best foreigner at the moment tho.
On March 12 2015 21:40 fruity. wrote: Always liked redeye as a host, brought a level of professionalism to the stage other hosts/casters just don't have. Seeing him move to gfinity is real interesting.
I agree. I've also thoroughly enjoyed his guide to being a broadcaster. He brings a lot of knowledge to their broadcast team and I can't help but think competition to put on the best (professional) "show" is a good thing for all.
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
Then who's the best foreigner in your opinion?
Poltu!!! I think Naniwa should be seen as best foreigner at the moment tho.
wtf
he didn't even qualify for wcs
not saying Naniwa is bad but how can you logically call him the best current foreigner?
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
If we go on with skill comparison (which is pretty darn stupid anyways) we should not compare skill with players from the past or former skill of players but instead compare their skill right now which obviously makes snute stronger than stephano IS RIGHT NOW (my point here)
Edit: In my opinion the competition also grew stronger which makes it even harder to compare those players
Thats the thing with comparisons, they are really hard to do objectively, however saying that you should compare their skill at the moment of the comparison is like the worse of all. If you'd go with your suggestion, then whatever amateur boxer you find on a gym would be better than muhammad ali.. So i think the most "objective" would be to compare both players when they were at their peak. And i think that stephano had a higher "peak" than Snute (at the moment, Snute can of course still get better). But yeah, as you said, making a comparison is a hard thing to do because there are a lot of situations that can lead up to certain results, however i didn't tought people said snute was this good, maybe I'm not giving him enough credit.
On March 12 2015 14:23 [Phantom] wrote: Snute is good, however it suprises me the ammount of people that think snute is better than stephano? give me a break.
Hes good but..really? As good as Stephano? Hes not even as good as naniwa the way i see it, and believe me when i tell you that i do like snute, i just don't think he's the best forgeigner...
Now on topic, i really hope this works well por redeye, he's good at what he does.
Then who's the best foreigner in your opinion?
Right now, Snute proably, but overall, i still think Stephano was better.
I think this impression of higher peak comes from the insane number of tournaments in 2012(dead game?^^), the lack of "good" koreans going overseas(compared to now) and the lost memory of the zerg era. If stephano was the best foreigner in 2012 and naniwa in 2013, snute was in 2014 and, hopefully will be the best of the best 2015 too.
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