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The real problem here is when they can get into matches to observe and influence players, right?
So the solution to the first issue is simple - better administration of games, make sure no one is in the game who shouldn't be. At IEM Taipei there were 2 occasions when someone masquerading as Apollo got into the game to spam shit - this is just sloppy admin work.
Stopping them from influencing players, however, is all the more difficult. That's down to team coaches/captains I guess to go through e-mails/facebooks etc (maybe even preventing players from having public accounts etc - let their pages be managed by someone who can be trusted?) and ensure there haven't been any 'conversations.' But that's altogether much harder to police.
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On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters?
Exactly, that's the point I was trying to make. We need legit sponsors, not illegal ones.
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On February 09 2015 04:30 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:28 Boucot wrote:On February 09 2015 04:26 Dodgin wrote:
It all makes sense now, Blizzard didn't release the 2015 WCS handbook because they were busy investigating this! Plot twist : it was Aeromi's fault from the beginning. Double plot twist: SGTK is the mastermind behind all of this!
I seriously doubt it 
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On February 09 2015 04:30 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:28 Boucot wrote:On February 09 2015 04:26 Dodgin wrote:
It all makes sense now, Blizzard didn't release the 2015 WCS handbook because they were busy investigating this! Plot twist : it was Aeromi's fault from the beginning. Double plot twist: SGTK is the mastermind behind all of this!
i always knew he was evil
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On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters?
Um I hope I am not the target of your reply.
I am concerned about tournaments sponsored by shady organizations, but I am more concerned about players being implicated.
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Why don't they just close betting based on when the stream delay is? Example: Stream delay is 10 min, close betting 10 min before game starts. That would fix at least some of the problems. Unless the betting sites are in on it.
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Canada28396 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:30 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:28 Boucot wrote:On February 09 2015 04:26 Dodgin wrote:
It all makes sense now, Blizzard didn't release the 2015 WCS handbook because they were busy investigating this! Plot twist : it was Aeromi's fault from the beginning. Double plot twist: SGTK is the mastermind behind all of this!
Jett... I hope you have a pleasant day, because there's a carbomb waiting for you buddy!
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On February 09 2015 04:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters? Exactly, that's the point I was trying to make. We need legit sponsors, not illegal ones.
Nice try covering up yourself…
We know you are the behind all of this!
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On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters?
Capitalism in a way is of having things being funded by gangsters. Using telecommunications in Canada as an example, we get robbed every day by the big 3 corporations. We used to get 6GB of mobile data to use for an extra $30 per month, so a reasonable cell phone plan with that much data would cost $50 to $60/month at most. Now? You're lucky if you don't pay more than $100/month.
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On February 09 2015 04:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:30 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 04:28 Boucot wrote:On February 09 2015 04:26 Dodgin wrote:
It all makes sense now, Blizzard didn't release the 2015 WCS handbook because they were busy investigating this! Plot twist : it was Aeromi's fault from the beginning. Double plot twist: SGTK is the mastermind behind all of this! Jett... I hope you have a pleasant day, because there's a carbomb waiting for you buddy!
You're lucky you're Canadian and not American. But Canada is still spying on you thanks to the recent bill that just got introduced/passed.
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On February 09 2015 04:34 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters? Capitalism in a way is of having things being funded by gangsters. Using telecommunications in Canada as an example, we get robbed every day by the big 3 corporations. We used to get 6GB of mobile data to use for an extra $30 per month, so a reasonable cell phone plan with that much data would cost $50 to $60/month at most. Now? You're lucky if you don't pay more than $100/month.
While I agree the big 3 are raping Canadians on mobile plans, but I don't see the connection you are making. Unless you're implying the big 3 are behind the scandal.
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On February 09 2015 04:33 LastManProductions wrote:
Why don't they just close betting based on when the stream delay is? Example: Stream delay is 10 min, close betting 10 min before game starts. That would fix at least some of the problems. Unless the betting sites are in on it.
I would assume that's because betting sites don't have information on the stream delays of all the matches they cover
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On February 09 2015 04:35 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 09 2015 04:30 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 04:28 Boucot wrote:On February 09 2015 04:26 Dodgin wrote:
It all makes sense now, Blizzard didn't release the 2015 WCS handbook because they were busy investigating this! Plot twist : it was Aeromi's fault from the beginning. Double plot twist: SGTK is the mastermind behind all of this! Jett... I hope you have a pleasant day, because there's a carbomb waiting for you buddy! You're lucky you're Canadian and not American. But Canada is still spying on you thanks to the recent bill that just got introduced/passed.
I'm sure they always were, theyre just making it easier on themselves now cause they got some asshole to shoot a soldier.
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On February 09 2015 04:30 Larkin wrote:
The real problem here is when they can get into matches to observe and influence players, right?
So the solution to the first issue is simple - better administration of games, make sure no one is in the game who shouldn't be. At IEM Taipei there were 2 occasions when someone masquerading as Apollo got into the game to spam shit - this is just sloppy admin work.
It's one of the problems but not the real problem. It's the fact that shady sponsors/criminals can wave around a few thousand dollars and find a place in sc2 to commit their crimes. Tournament organisers accpeting money from shady sponsors with their shady conditions (barcode admins, laaaaarge stream delays) and in the worst case scenario players accepting money to throw matches (why do they keep offering that money to players if nobody ever accepted?). Those are the real problems.
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On February 09 2015 04:34 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters? Capitalism in a way is of having things being funded by gangsters. Using telecommunications in Canada as an example, we get robbed every day by the big 3 corporations. We used to get 6GB of mobile data to use for an extra $30 per month, so a reasonable cell phone plan with that much data would cost $50 to $60/month at most. Now? You're lucky if you don't pay more than $100/month.
terrible example. im honestly confused as fuck right now.
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On February 09 2015 04:32 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters? Um I hope I am not the target of your reply. I am concerned about tournaments sponsored by shady organizations, but I am more concerned about players being implicated.
Like in every other sport ever in the history of mankind, someone cheats. I wouldn't worry about it, it's human nature.
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On February 09 2015 04:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:35 geokilla wrote:On February 09 2015 04:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 09 2015 04:30 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On February 09 2015 04:28 Boucot wrote:On February 09 2015 04:26 Dodgin wrote:
It all makes sense now, Blizzard didn't release the 2015 WCS handbook because they were busy investigating this! Plot twist : it was Aeromi's fault from the beginning. Double plot twist: SGTK is the mastermind behind all of this! Jett... I hope you have a pleasant day, because there's a carbomb waiting for you buddy! You're lucky you're Canadian and not American. But Canada is still spying on you thanks to the recent bill that just got introduced/passed. I'm sure they always were, theyre just making it easier on themselves now cause they got some asshole to shoot a soldier.
That is quite the conspiracy theory, but something I might be inclined to believe.
Sometimes I think some of these small terrorist attacks are used to pass big brother laws a whole lot easier.
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On February 09 2015 04:38 sc2chronic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:34 geokilla wrote:On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters? Capitalism in a way is of having things being funded by gangsters. Using telecommunications in Canada as an example, we get robbed every day by the big 3 corporations. We used to get 6GB of mobile data to use for an extra $30 per month, so a reasonable cell phone plan with that much data would cost $50 to $60/month at most. Now? You're lucky if you don't pay more than $100/month. terrible example. im honestly confused as fuck right now.
I think he's trying to compare monopolization and price-fixing to illegal betting. Both are techincally illegal but done fairly regularily I guess
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On February 09 2015 04:36 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:34 geokilla wrote:On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters? Capitalism in a way is of having things being funded by gangsters. Using telecommunications in Canada as an example, we get robbed every day by the big 3 corporations. We used to get 6GB of mobile data to use for an extra $30 per month, so a reasonable cell phone plan with that much data would cost $50 to $60/month at most. Now? You're lucky if you don't pay more than $100/month. While I agree the big 3 are raping Canadians on mobile plans, but I don't see the connection you are making. Unless you're implying the big 3 are behind the scandal.
I'm saying that a lot of corporations function solely on the basis of "establishing value for shareholders" and so that executives can get large bonuses for doing a "good job". I'm almost done my university undergraduate degree assuming I don't do a double major and all I've learned from finance so far is "most important thing is creating value and profits for shareholders and stakeholders!"
On February 09 2015 04:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2015 04:38 sc2chronic wrote:On February 09 2015 04:34 geokilla wrote:On February 09 2015 04:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You are fucking stupid if you think tournaments sponsored by illegal organizations with money that came from god knows where is ok.
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters? Capitalism in a way is of having things being funded by gangsters. Using telecommunications in Canada as an example, we get robbed every day by the big 3 corporations. We used to get 6GB of mobile data to use for an extra $30 per month, so a reasonable cell phone plan with that much data would cost $50 to $60/month at most. Now? You're lucky if you don't pay more than $100/month. terrible example. im honestly confused as fuck right now. I think he's trying to compare monopolization and price-fixing to illegal betting. Both are techincally illegal but done fairly regularily I guess
That too. I just had a bad way of saying it for some reason :\
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Just gonna wait for something official from Blizz now.
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