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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
You know, maybe they don't have good enough evidence to truly drop the hammer as Blizzard. They might release a statement, they might not, but this is the reality of corporations, it takes time for shit to happen and they have legal teams and legal concerns (libel for example) and everything needs to be double triple checked by everyone. With public pressure the corporate wheels might just get greased though. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:09 Musicus wrote: But that's how they work and that's why this thread is important and not just blind witchhunting. Without public pressure it would just take forever, as sad as that is. Which goes back to what I said earlier: link to one of my previous post | ||
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MrVideo
Ireland132 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:07 geokilla wrote: So they suddenly decide to compile proof NOW after Olivia Wong tweeted out those things? This is ridiculous. You don't wait till shit hits the fan to expose cheaters and hackers. You do it as soon as you have proof of it. I feel like the reverse has happened here. Clearly Blizzard were fine with taking as much time as they felt they needed to check over every suspect and put together evidence to release way down the line, if they even wanted to share this with the community at all, but this coming to light in the public eye forced their hand. Also your last post is a little off to me. Remember that Blizzard is a company that makes video games and currently has at least four major projects being worked on at this time with their own dev teams and whatnot. This investigation isn't being carried out by some guy called Blizzard, it's probably a team within the SC2 workforce who have no responsibilities over maphackers or the ladder or whatever else. Or maybe they do, I don't know, and nobody in this thread really knows for sure what the details of the investigation are, including yourself. Am I making excuses? Yes. Could this have been resolved sooner? Probably. Is there any equivalence to "real sports"? I don't see it. | ||
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HaRuHi
1220 Posts
Gamblers support sc2 tourneys. In return they take a 10 min adventage to make save bets to fool other gamblers. No matches have actually been fixed, just the betting is screwed? Players, Caster and Viewers profit, just gamblers damaging their own peers (and therefor in the long run themselves)? This is defnitly shady, but does not seem like such a terrible thing for the sc2 scene at last, or is it? Are you all just in it to gamble? Hm, I am confused. | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:13 HaRuHi wrote: So, Gamblers support sc2 tourneys. In return they take a 10 min adventage to make save bets to fool other gamblers. No matches have actually been fixed, just the betting is screwed? Players, Caster and Viewers profit, just gamblers damaging their own peers (and therefor in the long run themselves)? This is defnitly shady, but does not seem like such a terrible thing for the sc2 scene at last, or is it? Are you all just in it to gamble? Hm, I am confused. It's bad because it's illegal. IT IS ILLEGAL TO BET IN THIS MANNER. Nothing else matters here. | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:13 HaRuHi wrote: So, Gamblers support sc2 tourneys. In return they take a 10 min adventage to make save bets to fool other gamblers. No matches have actually been fixed, just the betting is screwed? Players, Caster and Viewers profit, just gamblers damaging their own peers (and therefor in the long run themselves)? This is defnitly shady, but does not seem like such a terrible thing for the sc2 scene at last, or is it? Are you all just in it to gamble? Hm, I am confused. The current evidence only points at gamblers making profit, but it is hinted that some of them are attempting to throw money at players to arrange matchfixing. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:10 TheDwf wrote: So, only online tournaments are concerned? Not big stuff like (for instance) Hot6ix Cup? I agree, we should be skeptical of any time MKP does well. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's bad because it's illegal. IT IS ILLEGAL TO BET IN THIS MANNER. Nothing else matters here. Also the "fixers" pressure the players to share info/throw games. It's surely not good for the scene overall. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:13 HaRuHi wrote: So, Gamblers support sc2 tourneys. In return they take a 10 min adventage to make save bets to fool other gamblers. No matches have actually been fixed, just the betting is screwed? Players, Caster and Viewers profit, just gamblers damaging their own peers (and therefor in the long run themselves)? This is defnitly shady, but does not seem like such a terrible thing for the sc2 scene at last, or is it? Are you all just in it to gamble? Hm, I am confused. While I think the insider betting is bad enough, players are getting offered money to throw and matches might have been fixed. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ski6uo a) Harassing players, admins and casters for information and in the worst cases, offering money to throw matches. We have no idea how many players if any have thrown maps in this way, but what we do know is that players are constantly approached to do it. MMA recently deleted his Facebook account because he kept getting messages from Korean betters. Progamers in Korea are being pestered by these people constantly. Even if nobody accepts, the fact that players are constantly being offered money to throw matches is really, really bad. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
I am concerned that some players are being implicated in match fixing. | ||
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DreamEater
United States6 Posts
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xtorn
4060 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:23 DreamEater wrote: How does one avoid this? Unfortunately, it has to be at the expense of a player; by rules and regulation. Make it apparent that players can lose their Code S/A title and/or banned from professional play, and this will stop really quick. They are paid regularly through their team. Create random sting operations to make an example, the rest will follow. If this really is SUCH a big deal, then it needs to not be worth the punishment. It won't stop really quick. There have been betting scandals in nearly all professional sports avenues, and esports is no different. Sure you can implement large scale investigations to catch the culprits, or impose high penalties to deter progamers from being involved, but you can't completely stop it. It will stop for a period of time, but eventually it will continue again. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Fucking stupid. Even if a match was never fixed (and I highly HIGHLY doubt there has never been a fixed match in SC2) , you honestly think legitimate sponsors are going to stick around in a game where the grass-roots stuff is being funded by literal gangsters? | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
big surprise incoming | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:26 Dodgin wrote: It all makes sense now, Blizzard didn't release the 2015 WCS handbook because they were busy investigating this! Plot twist : it was Aeromi's fault from the beginning. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 09 2015 04:28 Boucot wrote: Plot twist : it was Aeromi's fault from the beginning. Double plot twist: SGTK is the mastermind behind all of this! | ||
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varsovie
Canada326 Posts
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