EPTSo Gom can happily milk 14 bucks for 1000 users, but I'll never open this stream until it's watchable.
So they can have their - 5000 subscribers right away.
Gom may want to partner up with Gunnar after this week...
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
So Gom can happily milk 14 bucks for 1000 users, but I'll never open this stream until it's watchable. So they can have their - 5000 subscribers right away. Gom may want to partner up with Gunnar after this week... | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 15 2015 18:33 BlueStar wrote: I like starcraft but I hate greed. So Gom can happily milk 14 bucks for 1000 users, but I'll never open this stream until it's watchable. So they can have their - 5000 subscribers right away. Gom may want to partner up with Gunnar after this week... You hate "GREED"!? ....................... Yeah, thatss totally why GOM is doing it. That has been their plan all along. Get those MASSIVE 15k viewers and then force everyone to sub! Hahahaha! Damn, when did we abandon GOM exactly? Was it before or after they've done everything for the korean SC2 scene? Or was it before or after they've done much to both scenes by including foreigners in their league, supporting them with housing and all that? Without asking for anything back from the community? Or was it when they arranged their whole league around foreign tournaments so that WE could watch foreigners get rekt by Koreans and enjoy the shit out of it because they're right in front of us? This is one of the biggest temper tantrums the starcraft community has thrown in a while. People don't know anything and yet make the wildest assumptions... | ||
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
On January 15 2015 11:17 dvorakftw wrote: Wow. I haven't bothered with these forums in months but that was such a massive level of stupidity I had to log in to mock it. You may have been told all your life that you're a very special snowflake but it's time to get over yourself. The law of economics isn't going to make an exception because you feel slighted. If you guys want GOM to join NASL and IPL, just keep right on. What exactly are you trying to argue? You do realize that I'm defending GOM's action as a standard business decision, right? If GOM can't figure out how to make a profitable business, it's not my problem. Only a complete nut would blame the customers for the failure of a company. So for you young guys out there, when anyone tells you to "be a man and pay up", grab your wallet and run in the opposite direction, because that approximately translates to they want to fuck you over. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On January 15 2015 18:39 KeksX wrote: You hate "GREED"!? ....................... Yeah, thatss totally why GOM is doing it. That has been their plan all along. Get those MASSIVE 15k viewers and then force everyone to sub! Hahahaha! Damn, when did we abandon GOM exactly? Was it before or after they've done everything for the korean SC2 scene? Or was it before or after they've done much to both scenes by including foreigners in their league, supporting them with housing and all that? Without asking for anything back from the community? Or was it when they arranged their whole league around foreign tournaments so that WE could watch foreigners get rekt by Koreans and enjoy the shit out of it because they're right in front of us? This is one of the biggest temper tantrums the starcraft community has thrown in a while. People don't know anything and yet make the wildest assumptions... If it's not GOM it'd be another organization. The profit isn't a thing that will be missed by everyone else than gom. I'm marketing guy and it is insulting to me as professional to see how they mug their customers. Have you heard of customer centric marketing? They are more like service oriented marketing - so they can feel like being Mercedes in esports, but mercedes can't compare with many other automotive producers nowadays because of their marketing model. And Gom are doomed with such approach in the web. Their actions are HUGE insult to all the sc2 fans around the world (except Korea obviously). | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
If it's not GOM it'd be another organization. But it is...? Whether or not P2V is a viable model on the web remains to be seen, GOM is not doing it. They are in fact doing customer centric marketing though, because they deem no-subbing, adblocking customers to be useless and instead focus on the paying ones. If you want more points to seriously discuss, check my other post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23583842 | ||
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DoK_-
France15 Posts
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Growiel
Korea (South)363 Posts
On January 15 2015 19:26 DoK_- wrote: It's fine, BW is back on OGN , just continue like this GOM and we will all be back to the awesome BW in some times :D Dear god no. As much as I loved BW, my eyes are so much happier with SC2. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On January 15 2015 19:21 KeksX wrote: I don't know what you are trying to say. You adressed none of my points. But it is...? Whether or not P2V is a viable model on the web remains to be seen, GOM is not doing it. They are in fact doing customer centric marketing though, because they deem no-subbing, adblocking customers to be useless and instead focus on the paying ones. If you want more points to seriously discuss, check my other post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23583842 Customer centric means Creating a positive consumer experience at the point of sale and post-sale. Positive consumer experience at the point of sale - my experience is that I'm thinking when I'll need to see the doctor (if I can still see with my eyes) and post-sale - killing their VOD system and doing nothing for this over an year? Let's be honest. Gom has been doing bad and they are even doing it worse this year. If they don't care about the user experience and are happy with the people who protect them... these people will be less and less. Have fun watching GOM for the sake of GOM, but I'm watching GOM for the sake of SC2. And there isn't SC2 via Gom for me any more. . P.S. You are talking about content marketing which is just a piece from the whole mix. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
About your other posts: We have no idea about contracts behind the scenes. I wouldn't be so quick to say that GOM did all this to screw us over because they hate us so much. I for one am enjoying GSL. You have fun watching what you want, but then don't come in here and call out greed to the organization that played a major role in building the SC2 scene. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On January 15 2015 19:45 KeksX wrote: Single streamers get more than that. You are right on this one. It may be sorcery but if you are a huge, well respected, and doing good things organization and if there is just one person who can attract more attention - you are doing really bad and it's a 100% prove that you don't know what your audience needs. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
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XilDarkz
United States563 Posts
On January 15 2015 19:49 BlueStar wrote: You are right on this one. It may be sorcery but if you are a huge, well respected, and doing good things organization and if there is just one person who can attract more attention - you are doing really bad and it's a 100% prove that you don't know what your audience needs. This post is pure, unadulterated ignorance. First, you're contradicting yourself. One person can attract more attention and knowing what your audience needs? The GSL audience is not the one that those single streamers attract. The GSL's targeted audience can be divided into two groups: 1.) Viewers that grant them additional sponsorship revenue 2.) Viewers that grant them subscription revenue The GSL has only secured domestic sponsors, meaning that Twitch.tv does not have the target audience (Twitch.tv does not future a large domestic Korean demographic) International subscription-revenue-granting viewers are worth many times more than any other viewer. Starcraft 2 had the audience with the largest conversion rate of viewer to subscriber/monetization in 2011 (I don't have up-to-date information, and I suspect Dota 2 has surpassed it on this front with the in-game ticketing and vanity items.) with a large number of them being GSL subscribers. This is their strategy, targeting that same audience that has kept them going. I'm sure the alternative is to stop English production, cut the English casters, and focus solely on the Korean market, where sponsorship can grant greater revenues. If people remember, in 2010/2011, we had the even lower quality free English stream while Korea maintained their free high quality, for the same reasons. Historical data supports Gom's approach, meaning they know their audience. As for single streamers generating bigger numbers... that is ridiculous. People watch the English Twitch.TV GSL cast for the highest level of Starcraft competition with English commentary and production. Who is the single streamer offering the same product with more viewers? If you say the product is entertainment with the objective being attention, then... both 'single streamers' and Gom are blown out by ANY mainstream celebrity or Twitter engagement. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 15 2015 20:11 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I find it odd that source is free for koreans yet foreigners have to stick to low. Wheres the logic behind this? Different pricings for different regions. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
you didnt explain anything you merely reworded my statement. Edit: Thank you KeksX for the post below this one  .Same reason why on steam you sometimes find that other regions pay way less than the average EU citizen. I was not aware of this, unrelated question do you happen to know how many korean viewers GSL average? | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 15 2015 21:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote: you didnt explain anything you merely reworded my my statement. The average korean viewer has far less money to spend than the average EU/NA viewer would be the most plausible explanation. Same reason why on steam you sometimes find that other regions pay way less than the average EU citizen. Could also be contract issues yet again or something with Twitch/YT in general. | ||
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Growiel
Korea (South)363 Posts
On January 15 2015 20:11 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I find it odd that source is free for koreans yet foreigners have to stick to low. Wheres the logic behind this? Because Koreans get Korean ads and also sponsorship money and TV subscription revenue, while we have to pay the only way we can: via Twitch. Hot6 is Korean only, I doubt that any of their money goes to the English crew. | ||
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
On January 15 2015 18:28 KeksX wrote: Because they did NOT BREAK ANY RULES. READ! Goddamnit, READ! If you want a serious discussion then let's discuss how TotalBiscuits pulls more viewers on his LotV tournament than GSL on a stacked day. Let's discuss how everyone here jumps the hate bandwagon even though they have no idea WHY GOM made that decision. Let's discuss how people say "X and Y are how GOM makes money, I know because I'm registered on TeamLiquid". Let's discuss how no one here realizes that what GOM does is not breaking any rule, but people make it look like GOM is an illegal drug ring now. Let's discuss how people say that eSports will never be legitimate even though this practice is perfectly normal on traditional sports. Let alone the fact that one SC2 league does not represent the entirety of eSports. Let's discuss how GOM has used money from other eSports titles to support SC2. Let's discuss, after all these things considered, how this should be more Blizzard's fault for letting this "loophole" kind of thing happening and giving room for someone, whoever that might have been for GOM, to decide to block off free 720p for global viewers. Because I've said all these things, but all I hear back is "They're breaking mah WCS rullz!!" Blizzard advertised free 720p, they stream at 360p. That is breaking the rules Blizzard set up. How about we turn down that anger. I was using logic, you are using anger. Trying to belittle my argument with exaggeration. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 15 2015 23:03 Spektor wrote: Blizzard advertised free 720p, they stream at 360p. That is breaking the rules Blizzard set up. How about we turn down that anger. I was using logic, you are using anger. Trying to belittle my argument with exaggeration. It says WCS Global Events. WCS KR/GSL is NOT a global event. I quote myself. READ! Goddamnit, READ! Also: On January 15 2015 22:38 Growiel wrote: Because Koreans get Korean ads and also sponsorship money and TV subscription revenue, while we have to pay the only way we can: via Twitch. Hot6 is Korean only, I doubt that any of their money goes to the English crew. That is a very good point which I just thought of on my way home. GOM's main sponsors don't really target EU/NA viewers. On January 15 2015 21:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote: you didnt explain anything you merely reworded my statement. Edit: Thank you KeksX for the post below this one .I was not aware of this, unrelated question do you happen to know how many korean viewers GSL average? About that: I sadly have no idea how many korean viewers they have. On twitch they have a bit that like to troll the chat, but I guess most watch via YT and I can't see those numbers. | ||
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var username
52 Posts
Price higher than your maximum willingness to pay? Then don't pay and don't watch. Seek other sources of entertainment. Enjoying lesser utility from now on is a fact of life. Emotion has little to do with what a rational consumer is to choose. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 15 2015 23:53 var username wrote: Emotion has little to do with what a rational consumer is to choose. Weird point because the sole reason to pay for any eSports thing is emotionally. There's no rational justification for watching 2 people play a video games against each other. | ||
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