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aeligos
Profile Joined January 2013
United States172 Posts
January 15 2015 00:25 GMT
#521
I unfollowed the channel.

Everyone should just unfollow and not view their stream until they get it back to what it was.

libera te tvtemet ex inferis A.'.A.'.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 00:30:10
January 15 2015 00:29 GMT
#522
[wrong thread]
RIP MKP
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 15 2015 00:42 GMT
#523
This is the single biggest problem with GSL right now, what is my incentive to watch when Proleague is HD?
Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
January 15 2015 01:33 GMT
#524
On January 15 2015 05:37 Figgy wrote:
Boo hoo, free to watch quality isn't high enough. Unless you're in high school or jobless you should have no excuse supporting the things you love.

People bitching about this are the people who have never and will never subscribe in the first place. Free to watch is supposed to attract new viewers to join the scene not cater to the people who will never earn them the $$ to stay alive in the first place. Be a man and pay up instead of whining about having to give $15 to a company has given you free content (and still does) for YEARS.

GOM eXP is kept alive mostly through sponsors and advertising, which then allows the company to sell shares. This decision they made with reducing the stream quality for non-subscribers may possibly have their funding reduced by their sponsors. Or maybe it won't. It is quite clear that GOM's intention is to reduce costs while gambling on how their sponsors will react.

As for the "be a man and pay up" comment, too many people make that kind of comment without realizing how self-deluding it is to command strangers on how to live their lives and spend their money.
6 trillion
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
January 15 2015 02:17 GMT
#525
On January 15 2015 10:33 Lazare1969 wrote:
As for the "be a man and pay up" comment, too many people make that kind of comment without realizing how self-deluding it is to command strangers on how to live their lives and spend their money.


Wow.

I haven't bothered with these forums in months but that was such a massive level of stupidity I had to log in to mock it.

You may have been told all your life that you're a very special snowflake but it's time to get over yourself. The law of economics isn't going to make an exception because you feel slighted. If you guys want GOM to join NASL and IPL, just keep right on.
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 03:41:14
January 15 2015 02:49 GMT
#526
On January 15 2015 11:17 dvorakftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 10:33 Lazare1969 wrote:
As for the "be a man and pay up" comment, too many people make that kind of comment without realizing how self-deluding it is to command strangers on how to live their lives and spend their money.


Wow.

I haven't bothered with these forums in months but that was such a massive level of stupidity I had to log in to mock it.

You may have been told all your life that you're a very special snowflake but it's time to get over yourself. The law of economics isn't going to make an exception because you feel slighted. If you guys want GOM to join NASL and IPL, just keep right on.

Why are you being so defensive when GOM was the one that broke one of the WCS rules of stream quality? How about having a discussion without belittling someone else?
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 03:00:50
January 15 2015 03:00 GMT
#527
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

This has nothing to do with being cheap and not wanting to pay. If you think this kind of bullshit is good for attracting viewers to their "highest level tournament' or the sc2 scene in general, then wake up and stop drinking the kool-aid. This also completely contradicts Blizzard's stated goal of improving the quality of WCS tournaments. Futhermore, the fact that Blizzard hasn't done anything or made any statement about this pretty much tells you they don't really care about their own game.

This ain't 2011 anymore where they could get away this shit when sc2 was at its peak. Times have changed and pretty much all of their competition offer HD quality streams for free now. Sc2 is in a decline and having this restrictive barrier to their premiere tournament is just moronic.
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
January 15 2015 03:04 GMT
#528
If you guys want GOM to join NASL and IPL


I didn't want it, but now I really want it so they give room to OGN a more competent organization.
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
January 15 2015 03:13 GMT
#529
I have absolutely no problem giving money to e-sports when I can.

While low quality only sucks, and currently I am living with it as well, it's well worth the $13 to support it.

Bomber | CJ herO | Snute
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
January 15 2015 03:16 GMT
#530
On January 15 2015 12:00 ilikeredheads wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

This has nothing to do with being cheap and not wanting to pay. If you think this kind of bullshit is good for attracting viewers to their "highest level tournament' or the sc2 scene in general, then wake up and stop drinking the kool-aid. This also completely contradicts Blizzard's stated goal of improving the quality of WCS tournaments. Futhermore, the fact that Blizzard hasn't done anything or made any statement about this pretty much tells you they don't really care about their own game.

This ain't 2011 anymore where they could get away this shit when sc2 was at its peak. Times have changed and pretty much all of their competition offer HD quality streams for free now. Sc2 is in a decline and having this restrictive barrier to their premiere tournament is just moronic.

Pretty much my thoughts. What will new/random person do when open that terrible blurry stream?
My guess is that 99% will just instantly close it, instead of thinking "hey, it's a great game and tournament, I don't mind paying to watch it properly".
I guess some hardcore fans don't mind paying, but SC2 is on decline and it won't change until LoTV beta (and even that will be just a temporary boost, just as HoTS was, but that's another story) and with that move GOM pretty much eliminates any chances to get new paying customers.

P.S.
I bet if it was somehow possible, they'd provide super low quality sound for free too. They probably think that only paying customers deserve to hear Tastosis properly.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19265 Posts
January 15 2015 03:31 GMT
#531
Low quality SC2 streams eliminate the argument that SC2 graphics are better then BW. How can this sequel be more enjoyable to watch if we can't even see them game without feeling like our eyeballs have a permanent smudge while watching them play. This is definitely a case in where the provider is hurting the game.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Cheeseling
Profile Joined March 2012
Ukraine132 Posts
January 15 2015 05:17 GMT
#532
I'm pretty sure that pirate streamers gonna be really happy about this change
Last time I ended up watching it on some russian site in HD.
Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
January 15 2015 05:34 GMT
#533
On January 15 2015 14:17 Cheeseling wrote:
I'm pretty sure that pirate streamers gonna be really happy about this change
Last time I ended up watching it on some russian site in HD.


*gasp* p-pirates!?
Bomber | CJ herO | Snute
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
January 15 2015 05:46 GMT
#534
On January 15 2015 07:15 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 05:37 Figgy wrote:
Boo hoo, free to watch quality isn't high enough. Unless you're in high school or jobless you should have no excuse supporting the things you love.

The things I love?

Ok just going to sub to things I truly love and watch a lot. (probably more than I should)
Dota
Sing_Sing
BTS
Blitzdota

Hearthstone
Trump
Amaz
Kripp
Forsen

WoW
Sodapoppin
(RIP Reckful T_T)
Cdew
Mitchjones(actually subbed here)

SC2:
Proleague (subbed here too)
Starleague
(actually not loving GSL now because Leenock doesn't play there but rather in SSL and SPL but let's say he qualifies)

Speedrunners
Demoon9

$83/month

Oh well, this didn't become expensive at all. I'm currently studying at a university so not employed either. And I filtered my streams a lot too, I just choose the ones I watch a ton.

No man, you only TRULY LOVE GSL.... This isn't the bigger picture that those trying to guilt trip are hoping you forget about...
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
January 15 2015 08:30 GMT
#535
On January 15 2015 08:39 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2015 22:44 DJHelium wrote:
Wolf is now trying to guilt people into subscribing:



It's such a stupid move by Gom. Any new potential viewers they have will be so turned off by the potato quality that in the long run they for sure lose money by doing this. It's like they know they're going bankrupt and just want as much money as possible while they can


what a tool. straight up if you're a poor college kid you shouldn't be wasting your cash on this shit.

Absolutely. But you shouldn't be whinging about not being able to watch it for free either. That's life.
kottbullar
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia490 Posts
January 15 2015 08:33 GMT
#536
At the end of the day, vote with your wallet. If you don't feel its worth it to subscribe or watch in low then don't. Time will tell if this is good for the GSL in the long run. There's no need to disguise your personal dissatisfaction by white-knighting the 'community'.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
January 15 2015 08:45 GMT
#537
15$ is around 5% of a monthly paycheck ...
go pirates!
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
January 15 2015 09:16 GMT
#538
it's free so im not going to complain
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Pitrocelli
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovakia127 Posts
January 15 2015 09:21 GMT
#539
"Whining" about GSL decision means we still care.

I still care enough to keep up with game which is in steady decline since 2011. Hardcore paying fan boys you have to realize that if you loose us, price money, production value and skill pool will decrease in most tournaments. They need view numbers to show their sponsors. We wont be replaced since there is almost no new blood coming into this game.

What really makes me sick is silence of figures like Artosis, Tasteless or even big entities like Blizzard. I understand point of view of casting archon, they are invested too much and they never been famous for standing up for community.

On the other hand I really respect Totalbiscuit and Apollo. Even Wolf deserve some recognition, he at least try to make his argument instead of total silence from GOM.

If somebody argues "support what you love" .. well frankly I don't love this game anymore. I feel greed ruined something possibly great. All I can give you is increased view counter on your streams if I am too tired to do something productive and spread info about tournaments to my friends. Why should I suddenly have to pay for medium quality ? Game is tactically stagnating, there is low change I will be excited in any match, time for Europe is horrendous and there is no foreign hope in the horizon.

Arnold Schwarzenegger in his tips for success says "Give something back". That's my main problem with both archon and GOM stance. They got sponsorship money from Blizzard, they got foreign community inviting Korean champions to tournaments to take whole price pools they even have fan boys supporting them for several years.

What they give back ? They decrease stream quality.

KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 09:33:59
January 15 2015 09:28 GMT
#540
On January 15 2015 11:49 Spektor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 11:17 dvorakftw wrote:
On January 15 2015 10:33 Lazare1969 wrote:
As for the "be a man and pay up" comment, too many people make that kind of comment without realizing how self-deluding it is to command strangers on how to live their lives and spend their money.


Wow.

I haven't bothered with these forums in months but that was such a massive level of stupidity I had to log in to mock it.

You may have been told all your life that you're a very special snowflake but it's time to get over yourself. The law of economics isn't going to make an exception because you feel slighted. If you guys want GOM to join NASL and IPL, just keep right on.

Why are you being so defensive when GOM was the one that broke one of the WCS rules of stream quality? How about having a discussion without belittling someone else?



Because they did NOT BREAK ANY RULES.
READ! Goddamnit, READ!

If you want a serious discussion then let's discuss how TotalBiscuits pulls more viewers on his LotV tournament than GSL on a stacked day. Let's discuss how everyone here jumps the hate bandwagon even though they have no idea WHY GOM made that decision.

Let's discuss how people say "X and Y are how GOM makes money, I know because I'm registered on TeamLiquid". Let's discuss how no one here realizes that what GOM does is not breaking any rule, but people make it look like GOM is an illegal drug ring now.

Let's discuss how people say that eSports will never be legitimate even though this practice is perfectly normal on traditional sports. Let alone the fact that one SC2 league does not represent the entirety of eSports.
Let's discuss how GOM has used money from other eSports titles to support SC2.

Let's discuss, after all these things considered, how this should be more Blizzard's fault for letting this "loophole" kind of thing happening and giving room for someone, whoever that might have been for GOM, to decide to block off free 720p for global viewers.

Because I've said all these things, but all I hear back is "They're breaking mah WCS rullz!!"
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