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On January 16 2015 07:23 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 00:25 dvorakftw wrote:On January 15 2015 17:45 xM(Z wrote:
15$ is around 5% of a monthly paycheck ...
go pirates! You are making $300 a month? Just $75 a week? Only $15 a day? How sad. On the bright side, the subscription covers roughly three months so that averages it down to under 2% each month. but, but, my kids ... be left with no bread'n shit. so now, let me help you. what you should've taken from that post is that the fee doesn't have the same weight for all people; acknowledge it and move the fuck on. don't rag on the little people. moving on now - practically, it's not 2% per month, per 30 days, but 2% for about 4 - 5 days but w/e.
Sure, don't rag on them, but at the end of the day, this isn't a communist enterprise. It doesn't have to be made free to them. The vast majority of people can't have everything they want. That's life.
On January 16 2015 02:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Well I dunno, I do find it weird that hardly any event is 1080p for free in SC2, as every single event as far as I can tell in Dota 2 is free.
You kind of answered your own question when you suggested alternative methods to monetise. The other major issue is a pure numbers comparison. There's just shitloads more eyeballs on dota and lol. It makes the free w/ ads model much more viable.
On January 16 2015 00:25 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2015 12:00 ilikeredheads wrote:
Sc2 is in a decline and having this restrictive barrier to their premiere tournament is just moronic. And does it matter to you that this "restrictive barrier" wasn't around all of 2014 when the decline was occurring? Richard Lewis was certain GOM wouldn't even be around this year so arguments that this will just make the decline go faster shouldn't be that persuasive.
Yeah, I think people are in a little bit of denial when it comes to a) the state of the game in reality vs what they'd like it to be, and b) the real causes for the decline in the game's popularity.
Hot tip guys: one low quality stream is not the reason the viewer base has dropped away so much. Changing GOM's position also wont 'save' Starcraft!
I haven't subbed btw (twitch sucks donkey dick and the vod system is shit, so I'll watch low qual for free until they make it worth the money I'd be willing to spend), I just think the whining is completely disproportionate.
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On January 16 2015 07:23 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 00:25 dvorakftw wrote:On January 15 2015 17:45 xM(Z wrote:
15$ is around 5% of a monthly paycheck ...
go pirates! You are making $300 a month? Just $75 a week? Only $15 a day? How sad. On the bright side, the subscription covers roughly three months so that averages it down to under 2% each month. but, but, my kids ... be left with no bread'n shit. so now, let me help you. what you should've taken from that post is that the fee doesn't have the same weight for all people; acknowledge it and move the fuck on. don't rag on the little people. moving on now - practically, it's not 2% per month, per 30 days, but 2% for about 4 - 5 days but w/e.
this is exactly why high Gini coefficients are the fact of life. the reproachable, condescending attitude on the low-income on full display here is sufficient evidence.
then again, it's perfectly acceptable since the low-income shouldn't even be here on the Internet in the first place, right? /s
EDIT: no, I'm not advocating for GOM to make stuff free. go read my first post in this thread. exhibiting superiority over the poor is just uncalled for.
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On January 16 2015 20:32 var username wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 07:23 xM(Z wrote:On January 16 2015 00:25 dvorakftw wrote:On January 15 2015 17:45 xM(Z wrote:
15$ is around 5% of a monthly paycheck ...
go pirates! You are making $300 a month? Just $75 a week? Only $15 a day? How sad. On the bright side, the subscription covers roughly three months so that averages it down to under 2% each month. but, but, my kids ... be left with no bread'n shit. so now, let me help you. what you should've taken from that post is that the fee doesn't have the same weight for all people; acknowledge it and move the fuck on. don't rag on the little people. moving on now - practically, it's not 2% per month, per 30 days, but 2% for about 4 - 5 days but w/e. this is exactly why high Gini coefficients are the fact of life. the reproachable, condescending attitude on the low-income on full display here is sufficient evidence. then again, it's perfectly acceptable since the low-income shouldn't even be here on the Internet in the first place, right? /s
I don't think people missing out on the ability to watch one SC2 stream in high quality for free is the appropriate vehicle for the argument you're making, bud.
Re: your edit, it doesn't matter. You can't divorce your comment from the rest of the thread where the 'poor' people are indeed asking for the stream to be free.
Like I said above, sure don't rag on them for their financial position, but they can be called out for unreasonable expectations. We're not talking about necessities here.
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OK so I was going to get the subscription because vods on source are how I'm probably going to get to watch half the games anyway. Then I see that to "unlock" source quality costs $24 not $14. What the hell? I feel like I've been mislead here and out of principle I won't spend anything now. It seems so arrogant on their behalf.
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complaining about a free stream that costs a ton of money to produce being low quality is like complaining about the size of a sample spoon at an ice cream shop
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Anyone who could link me the high quality korean youtube live stream? Or teach me how to find it  ?
Edit: found it. Seems GOM closed our possibility to watch the Korean HD-stream -.- "This video is private."... bye bye GSL.
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how do i change country without moving ? 
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On January 16 2015 21:47 Azurues wrote:how do i change country without moving ?
You install Hola
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I'll watch it on my phone whatever, but fix your vods GOM. SSL and SPL have ALL MATCHES vods fast for free. As a past gom subscriber, why would I choose to go with you again? Oh right Tastetosis....Bah
Its ok though, moonglade has the best hair in esports, all is well
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On January 09 2015 19:08 Bojas wrote:
Pretty sure it's below 480p. It's like the old days before WCS, where perhaps a game could have been going on behind all the blur.
The videostream is:
640x360 (=360p)
550kbps bitrate.
So indeed, lower than 480p.
On January 16 2015 20:28 Brett wrote:
Hot tip guys: one low quality stream is not the reason the viewer base has dropped away so much.
2014 had more average viewers and more total prize money, than any previous years had.
I'm not sure what you're on about but I'd love for you to back-up your doomsaying claims.
Or are you just trolling? :o
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On January 15 2015 06:11 varsovie wrote:
Worse is the korean stream is 1080 for free. You can literally mute it and play the crappy "free english" in the background if you really want to listen the commentators talking about anything but starcraft.
Do you think Gom and Tastosis are rolling around in money?
The reason the Korean stream is free is because every single add they run on their program is Korean and only caters to a Korean audience and it's those sponsors that keep them alive.
They make almost nil profit off non-paying foreign viewers and that's the primary reason they need people to actually pay for their content. They need to run a business and the people who've been leeching for years just don't seem to care for some reason.
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On January 16 2015 23:53 LordSubtle wrote:
I'll watch it on my phone whatever, but fix your vods GOM. SSL and SPL have ALL MATCHES vods fast for free. As a past gom subscriber, why would I choose to go with you again? Oh right Tastetosis....Bah
Its ok though, moonglade has the best hair in esports, all is well
Actually Tastosis are the only reason I still watch Starcraft 2.
The months of PvP and PvP again and then PvP... oh yeah sometimes there was PvZ or ZvZ... well it made the game so uninteresting to watch and still it is way too versatile when Protoss is in it. Either they win with cheese or allin or just have that one lucky engagement. The few games you see a TvP or PvZ go back and forth and back again... are just not there anymore. I just tune in because I like to listen to the extremely stupid but funny comments of the 2.
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On January 17 2015 01:58 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 23:53 LordSubtle wrote:
I'll watch it on my phone whatever, but fix your vods GOM. SSL and SPL have ALL MATCHES vods fast for free. As a past gom subscriber, why would I choose to go with you again? Oh right Tastetosis....Bah
Its ok though, moonglade has the best hair in esports, all is well Actually Tastosis are the only reason I still watch Starcraft 2. The months of PvP and PvP again and then PvP... oh yeah sometimes there was PvZ or ZvZ... well it made the game so uninteresting to watch and still it is way too versatile when Protoss is in it. Either they win with cheese or allin or just have that one lucky engagement. The few games you see a TvP or PvZ go back and forth and back again... are just not there anymore. I just tune in because I like to listen to the extremely stupid but funny comments of the 2.
Go watch proleague, so much matchup varience
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On January 16 2015 20:42 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 20:32 var username wrote:On January 16 2015 07:23 xM(Z wrote:On January 16 2015 00:25 dvorakftw wrote:On January 15 2015 17:45 xM(Z wrote:
15$ is around 5% of a monthly paycheck ...
go pirates! You are making $300 a month? Just $75 a week? Only $15 a day? How sad. On the bright side, the subscription covers roughly three months so that averages it down to under 2% each month. but, but, my kids ... be left with no bread'n shit. so now, let me help you. what you should've taken from that post is that the fee doesn't have the same weight for all people; acknowledge it and move the fuck on. don't rag on the little people. moving on now - practically, it's not 2% per month, per 30 days, but 2% for about 4 - 5 days but w/e. this is exactly why high Gini coefficients are the fact of life. the reproachable, condescending attitude on the low-income on full display here is sufficient evidence. then again, it's perfectly acceptable since the low-income shouldn't even be here on the Internet in the first place, right? /s I don't think people missing out on the ability to watch one SC2 stream in high quality for free is the appropriate vehicle for the argument you're making, bud. Re: your edit, it doesn't matter. You can't divorce your comment from the rest of the thread where the 'poor' people are indeed asking for the stream to be free. Like I said above, sure don't rag on them for their financial position, but they can be called out for unreasonable expectations. We're not talking about necessities here.
you're just trying to be politically correct while giving the middle finger to the poor guy+ Show Spoiler +WE SEE YOU DUDE!, be afraid, be very afraid.
there is no objective reasoning/logic that allows you to demand a non-bitching attitude from anyone because it was GOM that changed things. you could maybe get away with a 'no demands' policy(from the plebs) because ... capitalism ... democracy ...free market or whatever, but that's all you can have here.
Ex:
+ Show Spoiler +it's like this: you give a lollypop to a kid, let him suck it for a while then take it away.
now, for him, it doesn't even matter if you stole it, if you only payed for half of it or if you want to pass it on to your other kids. he did nothing wrong but is one lollypop short; of course he is gonna bitch.
he would've been better if you didn't gave him that lpop to begin with so there, it's GOMs fault anyway for creating the demand in the first place.
Edit:to make (more)clear(er): you just don't bring someone out of his ignorance for free then charge him for no longer being an ignorant...
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I used to pay for GOMTV when they had their own website with a good video player and a good non-spoiler VOD system. I paid the max amount to get high quality and no ads. Then they switched to Twitch and as you all know, they don't have a non-spoiler VOD system. Hell, you're lucky to even figure out what VOD has what game. Luckily some third party sites have shown up to help with that but now there is a paywall.
Why should I pay for a shitty VOD system? Yes, these are some of the best games anywhere in the world. Yes, Tastosis is a great casting duo. But now you have S2SL and PL which are free to watch. You didn't have those back when GOMTV ruled the world. It was worth paying for because nothing came close to it. Now it just doesn't make any sense to pay for it. It's sad because a lot of people will never get to see the great games they'll have this season and the seasons to come.
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Do you think Gom and Tastosis are rolling around in money?
The reason the Korean stream is free is because every single add they run on their program is Korean and only caters to a Korean audience and it's those sponsors that keep them alive.
They make almost nil profit off non-paying foreign viewers and that's the primary reason they need people to actually pay for their content. They need to run a business and the people who've been leeching for years just don't seem to care for some reason.
How do you know how much money they make? What if they break even by only showing ads on Twitch and the $14/season or $24/season is all profit? Do they really need to charge that much? Those of us who want to watch GSL but can't justify paying that much are conflicted. It's not entitlement. I could afford to pay for it. But I'm choosing not to because I think it's too much. That is a decision each of us have to make. But that doesn't mean we can't come here and give our opinions on the matter. Maybe GOM is reading this, maybe they aren't. I've also sent my thoughts to them via their website and Twitch account. No response.
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the silence of blizzard is reassuring.
gonna use those 15 bucks to buy CS:GO.
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On January 17 2015 03:19 jake1138 wrote:Show nested quote +Do you think Gom and Tastosis are rolling around in money?
The reason the Korean stream is free is because every single add they run on their program is Korean and only caters to a Korean audience and it's those sponsors that keep them alive.
They make almost nil profit off non-paying foreign viewers and that's the primary reason they need people to actually pay for their content. They need to run a business and the people who've been leeching for years just don't seem to care for some reason. How do you know how much money they make? What if they break even by only showing ads on Twitch and the $14/season or $24/season is all profit? Do they really need to charge that much? Those of us who want to watch GSL but can't justify paying that much are conflicted. It's not entitlement. I could afford to pay for it. But I'm choosing not to because I think it's too much. That is a decision each of us have to make. But that doesn't mean we can't come here and give our opinions on the matter. Maybe GOM is reading this, maybe they aren't. I've also sent my thoughts to them via their website and Twitch account. No response.
You think they can cover their cost from ad revenue they get from twitch? Seriously?
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The thing is, youtube and twitch are not their infrastructure. The main cost for the english stream are the casters. I would be totally fine if they vanish behind a paywall forever and, without any additional costs for gom, I'd like the korean feed.
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On January 17 2015 04:22 HaRuHi wrote:
The thing is, youtube and twitch are not their infrastructure. The main cost for the english stream are the casters. I would be totally fine if they vanish behind a paywall forever and, without any additional costs for gom, I'd like the korean feed.
Agreed, what I don't like is that we cannot watch the Korean stream without some trickery.
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