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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 08 2014 23:42 GMT
#1721
On November 09 2014 08:36 tshi wrote:
whats with all the signs at blizzcon that say buff the CYCLONE? That unit looks SO OP at the moment! Surely they're crazy.

Btw, i just got back from a trip to romania

They're being funny, or they play Terran
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 08 2014 23:55 GMT
#1722
On November 09 2014 08:40 VArsovskiSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 08:33 Big J wrote:
On November 09 2014 08:22 VArsovskiSC wrote:
On November 09 2014 08:20 Big J wrote:
On November 09 2014 08:02 VArsovskiSC wrote:
Colossi won't be viable anymore.. I mean they WILL, but only against only bio comps, as well as perhaps a good way to use that unit for a "secondary base defense", but with the Cyclones for the Terran, and the Swarmhosts and the improved nyduses for the Zerg - I'm pretty sure that we won't see Colossi ROAMING on the map and doing the space control, or at least not if not heavily guarded


You are trolling, aren't you?

No I'm NOT

Did you see what the races have ?

Terran have Cyclones that will wreck the Colossi

Zerg have Infetors that give +5 damage to all untis AoE - that being said - 15 damage Mutalisks or 18 damage Corruptors.. And even Swarmhosts can be used to mess up the AI of the Colossi early on in smaller numbers.. AS WELL AS the nerf to the Colossus that it's upgrade makes it have 8 range instead of 9

Colossi have never been viable to roam on their own. I don't understand what changes in that section.

Don't want to comment on your post too much. Obviously the Cyclone is a very strong unit. I fail to see that it is a fun one currently, given that you can't micro against it with its range/speed + massive leash range that makes disengaging impossible. I fail to see how the ravager or the lurker as they are currently implemented are fun units if we assume what you say is true, aka they are superspecialized hardcounters with tight roles and no purpose outside of those.
Though for those two I believe they are just underpowered in their current state, in particular the ravager shot which never seems to hit anything but isn't particularily longrange either. I think that one will just be buffed to hit more often and that's it.

The DIFFERENCE is that the other races had to spend A LOT MORE to do the Colossus dispatch.. In fact - probably 70% of all Vikings ever made were sacrificed in battle and die to storms before the Colossi even die.. That problem won't be present with the Cyclone instead of Viking play

As for the Ravager - that's the new don't waste resource Bunker buster (sure - you could make Banelings and do the busts, but there could be Hercs, could be Hellions, Hellbats, Marauders on the way making busts a lot more expensive)..

Or against Protoss force-field buster.. But not as viable vs fast or mediocre movable units..

Overall - that's EXACTLY why I say that the new Zerg bread & butter unit - i.e. - the "staple" mid/opener will probably be the Infestor plays just as the Protoss will most likely rely on Oracles instead

That does 100% depend on the actual balance.
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
November 09 2014 00:12 GMT
#1723
+ Show Spoiler +
QUOTE]On November 08 2014 22:59 Steelo_Rivers wrote:
On November 08 2014 22:45 Ljas wrote:
If even a fraction of the whiners go through with their threats to stop watching and playing Starcraft 2 we'll have a much less toxic community to look forward to.

Pretty much. If Blizzard takes all of this balance whining in this thread serious at all, they will just end up with the same end product as the other 2 games. The vocal part of the community seems to be the smallest part, yet they have so much power because it makes them seem like they are the only ones that play. If riot listened to everything the community said about everything without doing their own research into it, league wouldn't even be playable let alone tolerable. Sure, the LoL community is toxic as shit but riot does a majority of their nerfs/buffs just because they want to see a change unless a champ really needs it (LEBLANC).

Just wish people would accept change and stop complaining. If the beta comes in January and something seems silly, it will prob be dealt with accordingly. Only thing I don't look forward to is the salty Diamond/low masters players that always complain about how their race is weak to make themselves feel better about their lack of skill being allowed to have serious input. HotS started out okay until people just lost because it wasn't the same as WoL and they didn't adjust accordingly.. we see how that ended up.
[/QUOTE] I 100% agree with you their is no point in whining when we dont even have an idea how things will play out for now we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard. I would prefer to not whine hardcore so we don't intimidate them into pealing back their drastic plans for the game. I think these new ideas are all great.(well except for invincible and invisible nydus) maybe when they see how thing shake out in the beta.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:16:16
November 09 2014 00:15 GMT
#1724
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404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
November 09 2014 00:17 GMT
#1725
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
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we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.


Community has been crying for a massive change on alot of areas of the game for years now. Nothing stops you from continuing to play HOTS.
aka Kalevi
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:25:20
November 09 2014 00:21 GMT
#1726
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:24:31
November 09 2014 00:22 GMT
#1727
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.


Because you are the minority.

I like the changes, specially the design ones, I wonder how it would look after some months of beta

On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
You work on Starbow. Your bias is showing. Massively overstating the "outcry".


No he's right, TL, Reddit, every where people have been asking for design changes, ecnomy, units, the lurker, as I said you are the minority, by far
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
November 09 2014 00:23 GMT
#1728
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404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
November 09 2014 00:23 GMT
#1729
On November 09 2014 09:21 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:17 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Community has been crying for a massive change on alot of areas of the game for years now. Nothing stops you from continuing to play HOTS.

You work on Starbow. Your bias is showing. Massively overstating the "outcry".


So you want to say that there havent been any complaints about HOTS? Thats laughable.
aka Kalevi
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
November 09 2014 00:25 GMT
#1730
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:25:38
November 09 2014 00:25 GMT
#1731
On November 09 2014 09:23 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:22 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Because you are the minority.

That's not a reason for me to be happy.

Nice try though


Never said you should be, everybody likes the changes if you don't like them fine then, we can't expect every body to be happy
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:27:32
November 09 2014 00:26 GMT
#1732
On November 09 2014 09:25 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:23 SatedSC2 wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:22 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Because you are the minority.

That's not a reason for me to be happy.

Nice try though


everybody likes the changes


No.

To be more precise, I'm not saying most people aren't happy or that we don't need changes. But saying for instance everyone is happy with the Cyclone or with the timer on the bases is laughable.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:27:53
November 09 2014 00:27 GMT
#1733
On November 09 2014 09:25 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:23 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:21 SatedSC2 wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:17 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Community has been crying for a massive change on alot of areas of the game for years now. Nothing stops you from continuing to play HOTS.

You work on Starbow. Your bias is showing. Massively overstating the "outcry".


So you want to say that there havent been any complaints about HOTS? Thats laughable.

No.

I want to say that you're overstating them. Which is what I wrote.

Do you even understand English?


Perhaps its only the nostalgia talk from you. If you like HOTS so much continue playing it. Let the rest play what they want. And yes you should be happy because you can still continue to play HOTS if you dont like change.
aka Kalevi
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:27:53
November 09 2014 00:27 GMT
#1734
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SmileZerg
Profile Joined March 2012
United States543 Posts
November 09 2014 00:27 GMT
#1735
On November 09 2014 09:21 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:17 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Community has been crying for a massive change on alot of areas of the game for years now. Nothing stops you from continuing to play HOTS.

You work on Starbow. Your bias is showing. You're massively overstating the "outcry".

In any case, I didn't mention the community.

The person I quoted said that we should be happy. Why should I be happy that something I like is being dismantled?

You should be happy that something that you like is being greatly improved (assuming Blizzard gets the execution right during the months of Beta).
"Show me your teeth."
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
November 09 2014 00:28 GMT
#1736
On November 09 2014 09:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:25 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:23 SatedSC2 wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:22 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Because you are the minority.

That's not a reason for me to be happy.

Nice try though


everybody likes the changes


No.

To be more precise, I'm not saying most people aren't happy or that we don't need changes. But saying for instance everyone is happy with the Cyclone or with the timer on the bases is laughable.


Ok that was my mistake, they like the fact that they are willing to make big changes, even if they don't like all the changes
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 09 2014 00:28 GMT
#1737
On November 09 2014 09:27 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:25 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:23 SatedSC2 wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:22 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Because you are the minority.

That's not a reason for me to be happy.

Nice try though

Never said you should be, everybody likes the changes if you don't like them fine then, we can't expect every body to be happy

"Everybody likes the changes"
"we can't expect every body to be happy"

I don't even. I just don't.

You are nitpicking here, you know very well that with "everybody" he meant "a lot" or "majority".
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:35:15
November 09 2014 00:29 GMT
#1738
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
November 09 2014 00:29 GMT
#1739
On November 09 2014 09:28 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:27 SatedSC2 wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:25 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:23 SatedSC2 wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:22 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Because you are the minority.

That's not a reason for me to be happy.

Nice try though

Never said you should be, everybody likes the changes if you don't like them fine then, we can't expect every body to be happy

"Everybody likes the changes"
"we can't expect every body to be happy"

I don't even. I just don't.

You are nitpicking here, you know very well that with "everybody" he meant "a lot" or "majority".


LOL, yeah thats what I meant, english isn't my native language sorry for the confusion lol
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 00:31:20
November 09 2014 00:30 GMT
#1740
On November 09 2014 09:28 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:27 SatedSC2 wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:25 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:23 SatedSC2 wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:22 Lexender wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:15 SatedSC2 wrote:
we should just be happy about new expansion and some radical changes from blizard

Why should I be happy about radical changes if I like the game the way it is..?

There is very little I dislike about the game right now, and certainly nothing that needs a massive overhaul.

Because you are the minority.

That's not a reason for me to be happy.

Nice try though

Never said you should be, everybody likes the changes if you don't like them fine then, we can't expect every body to be happy

"Everybody likes the changes"
"we can't expect every body to be happy"

I don't even. I just don't.

You are nitpicking here, you know very well that with "everybody" he meant "a lot" or "majority".


Well he comes from England, so he has to make fun of every non-native English speaker when he is about to lose an argument. just like he did with me. Sorry that English is my fourth language I guess.
aka Kalevi
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