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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 16:21:04
November 08 2014 16:17 GMT
#281
On November 09 2014 01:14 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
This makes no sense to me, because nerfing and buffing and otherwise changing the units are exactly what changes unit interactions


An interaction is about how you micro the units, but let's say you nerfed the DPS of Marines by 5%. Would that change how you microed them vs Banelings? Probably not, and that's why that's a balance-change and not a design-chance.

If you change the range of the new terran unit, the interaction is different as infinitive kiting is removed.


Yeah I know. And changing the range is nerfing/ buffing. No one is saying that lowering DPS = changing micro ability; you're creating a strawman argument. At this point, I think you're just having a semantics problem and trying to redefine what a nerf is. I'm not okay with playing ball there.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 16:51:34
November 08 2014 16:22 GMT
#282
On November 09 2014 01:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 01:14 Hider wrote:
This makes no sense to me, because nerfing and buffing and otherwise changing the units are exactly what changes unit interactions


An interaction is about how you micro the units, but let's say you nerfed the DPS of Marines by 5%. Would that change how you microed them vs Banelings? Probably not, and that's why that's a balance-change and not a design-chance.

If you change the range of the new terran unit, the interaction is different as infinitive kiting is removed.


Yeah I know. And changing the range is nerfing/ buffing. At this point, I think you're just having a semantics argument and trying to redefine what a nerf is. I'm not okay with playing ball there.


My point is that it's very easy to identify when there is a flaw in the interaction, while it's harder to identify when a unit is slightly too weak.
If the terran unit could still do infinitive kiting but had like 10 times less damage, then it would be UP, but it's interaction would still be terrible and I would still be in favor of reducing its range (and balancing it around) that.

This isn't semantics, as I wouldn't be negative towards Blizzard if a unit had a fun interaction but wasn't perfectly balanced.

If we look at Siege tank drops, they are not troublesome because they are overpowered. Even if you make it an upgrade, it would still be poorly designed becasue the enemy can't attack the dropship/Siege Tank.
That's the same reason forcefields suck vs zerg. The game becomes most fun when both players can react through their unitcontrol to what the enemy is doing.
Tzyx
Profile Joined August 2010
Northern Ireland281 Posts
November 08 2014 16:42 GMT
#283
Is there a vod for the other showmatches or was the TvZ the only one so far?
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 08 2014 16:55 GMT
#284
On November 09 2014 01:42 Tzyx wrote:
Is there a vod for the other showmatches or was the TvZ the only one so far?



Even though it isn't on English, it is much better than the first one in my opinion. Showing some crazy stuff.
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caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
November 08 2014 17:53 GMT
#285
On November 09 2014 01:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:
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On November 09 2014 01:42 Tzyx wrote:
Is there a vod for the other showmatches or was the TvZ the only one so far?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-zFgZyVtYo

Even though it isn't on English, it is much better than the first one in my opinion. Showing some crazy stuff.

Thanks for posting that. That was way better than the 1st.

I have a feeling that the landscape for who the best players in LOTV will be different than what they were in wol and hots. It feels way closer to BW.
why?
ObeseHydra
Profile Joined March 2013
Brazil196 Posts
November 08 2014 18:05 GMT
#286
Saw the exibition matches. I like the direction they are going, but this Cyclone thing and the Siege Tank drop... My God, have they even played the game before Blizzcon? lol
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
November 08 2014 18:15 GMT
#287
What an exciting exhibition. Not.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 18:16:04
November 08 2014 18:15 GMT
#288
Lol, it just keeps getting worse. Protoss doesn't even have a theoretical counter lol, and it's impossible to micro against it.
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 18:18:22
November 08 2014 18:17 GMT
#289
This is why I don't play blizzard games anymore. The fact that the game isn't finished is no excuse for how retarded this is.
Also, why did they decide to give terran the one thing that protoss players have wanted which is reaver+shuttle play in the form of siege tank medivac. how awful.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
November 08 2014 18:17 GMT
#290
Can we agree upon the fact that the Cyclones won't be in the game in their current form? xD
That's just stupid.
limbonic
Profile Joined December 2012
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 18:19:13
November 08 2014 18:17 GMT
#291
terran is extremely op as is right now, but they will change things for the better in the beta for sure.

they have not even been using banshees so far :D
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9566 Posts
November 08 2014 18:18 GMT
#292
This is hilarious to watch alpha-WoL footage xD
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Eluadyl
Profile Joined May 2010
Turkey364 Posts
November 08 2014 18:19 GMT
#293
HAHAHA :D:D hilarious at this stage! But I'm hopeful
Not enough energy
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 08 2014 18:19 GMT
#294
Are people really shitting on Blizzard while they are making changes to the game...
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Eluadyl
Profile Joined May 2010
Turkey364 Posts
November 08 2014 18:20 GMT
#295
On November 09 2014 03:19 OtherWorld wrote:
Are people really shitting on Blizzard while they are making changes to the game...


Yeah, they always do that. Just don't care and move on.
Not enough energy
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
November 08 2014 18:21 GMT
#296
loool cyclone... blizzard should play test games....
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Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
November 08 2014 18:22 GMT
#297
On November 09 2014 03:20 Eluadyl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 03:19 OtherWorld wrote:
Are people really shitting on Blizzard while they are making changes to the game...


Yeah, they always do that. Just don't care and move on.

Because the fact that it exists in its current form shows an amazing lack of understanding and/or incompetence.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9566 Posts
November 08 2014 18:23 GMT
#298
I really like the concept of cyclones much more than warhounds? But obviously needs some tweeking any addition to the factory is a good thing in my book
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
November 08 2014 18:27 GMT
#299
On November 09 2014 03:17 Snorkle wrote:
This is why I don't play blizzard games anymore. The fact that the game isn't finished is no excuse for how retarded this is.
Also, why did they decide to give terran the one thing that protoss players have wanted which is reaver+shuttle play in the form of siege tank medivac. how awful.

they dont need an excuse for anything because they havent sold lotv to anyone yet...

once its on the market then theyll need an "excuse" if things are wrong
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Swatch
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany114 Posts
November 08 2014 18:28 GMT
#300
hahaha, the herc move was awesome!
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