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Sounds really interesting, this seems to legitimize the primier events outside of Korea a lot more. Challenger will get a lot more recognition, WCS America w/o koreans, won't get easy undeserved money.
I'm looking forward to it.
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On November 01 2014 08:26 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back  . uh the ro32 will be online unless i'm not reading this right?
On November 01 2014 08:27 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . Except for the ro32. And Challenger League. We had offline ro16s already for EU and AM. I'll be happy if they're playing in bigger venues but we're getting fewer offline Starcraft out of this, not more (Not counting the new Korean tournaments which is all good news)
"Premier League RO32 Group Stage will be played onsite at the ESL Studios. Four groups will be played in the ESL Burbank studio in the US, and four groups will be played in the ESL Cologne studio in Germany."
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"The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event."
I really hope they make this a big live event, like the 2013 season finals in Canada.
But about the overall changes, I have a feeling that the situation for Koreans improved and for the foreigners and koreigners worsened...
Also, is Mexico part of the Latin America or NA qualifiers?
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I don't know what to think about that. Oh, ForGG, why didn't you take those bloody french lessons... 
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 01 2014 08:29 ivancype wrote:
"The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event."
I really hope they make this a big live event, like the 2013 season finals in Canada.
But about the overall changes, I have a feeling that the situation for Koreans improved and for the foreigners and koreigners worsened...
Also, is Mexico part of the Latin America or NA qualifiers?
Latin America
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On November 01 2014 08:29 Boucot wrote:I don't know what to think about that. Oh, ForGG, why didn't you take those bloody french lessons...
He still can't speak French?
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why would forgg retire, he can go back to korea. they have 9+ tournaments next year
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On November 01 2014 08:29 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:26 Dodgin wrote:On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . uh the ro32 will be online unless i'm not reading this right? Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:27 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . Except for the ro32. And Challenger League. We had offline ro16s already for EU and AM. I'll be happy if they're playing in bigger venues but we're getting fewer offline Starcraft out of this, not more (Not counting the new Korean tournaments which is all good news) "Premier League RO32 Group Stage will be played onsite at the ESL Studios. Four groups will be played in the ESL Burbank studio in the US, and four groups will be played in the ESL Cologne studio in Germany."
Soooo are they changing how the seeding for ro32 groups work or are we just cool with a bunch of EU players driving past Cologne to catch a plane to Burbank and vice versa 
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On November 01 2014 08:30 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:29 Boucot wrote:I don't know what to think about that. Oh, ForGG, why didn't you take those bloody french lessons... He still can't speak French?
Well he lived like 2 months in france... Then he lived with his gf in germany
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On November 01 2014 08:31 Dodgin wrote:
why would forgg retire, he can go back to korea. they have 9+ tournaments next year
That doesn't help ForGG if he's unable to qualify D:
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On November 01 2014 08:31 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:29 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:26 Dodgin wrote:On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . uh the ro32 will be online unless i'm not reading this right? On November 01 2014 08:27 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . Except for the ro32. And Challenger League. We had offline ro16s already for EU and AM. I'll be happy if they're playing in bigger venues but we're getting fewer offline Starcraft out of this, not more (Not counting the new Korean tournaments which is all good news) "Premier League RO32 Group Stage will be played onsite at the ESL Studios. Four groups will be played in the ESL Burbank studio in the US, and four groups will be played in the ESL Cologne studio in Germany." Soooo are they changing how the seeding for ro32 groups work or are we just cool with a bunch of EU players driving past Cologne to catch a plane to Burbank and vice versa
Pretty sure in the ro32 they regions will still be devided, and the possibility of Scarlett vs Snute for example only exists from the ro16 onwards.
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On November 01 2014 08:21 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:15 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 01 2014 08:14 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 01 2014 08:08 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:05 Zealously wrote:On November 01 2014 08:04 Yorkie wrote:
Well then...I was happy to see big changes after year one, but it sucks that the biggest tournament series in Starcraft is turning into a long term experiment. They really need to nail something down They need to nail something when it's good enough, not rush and settle on something that isn't good. How many more years do you think they have to kick ideas around? WCS works. It is already "good enough." Sure improvements can be made, like the region locking. But these changes are more than improvements, it's a complete overhaul. This game is not in a stage where we can say "Well by 2018 the system will be amazing." I see this as a clear improvement and I have no idea why you would argue against a clear improvement. It sucks that they didn't do this from the beginning, but not sure what the point is of repeating that over and over. Obviously I disagree with you? I don't think we can definitively say that this is a clear improvement. We have to wait and see. And if things aren't a lot better we're back to the drawing board at the end of 2015. I thought your point was that they should stop changing things not that it wasn't an improvement. If you don't think an improvement then by all means think it is a bad idea. Just don't say they shouldn't have done it even if it was an improvement. I don't think they should stop changing things. I just think that completely overhauling the system every November sucks. Making smaller changes like the region lock from earlier this year is a great idea, I just think this massive shift is the wrong way to go about it. If it ends up being a net positive I'll be super happy obviously but for now I'm skeptical about leaving a tried and true system entirely
I'm not cerrtain the current system was tried and true. You'd probably need the numbers, amount invested, ROI, salaries, information from leagues like DH, MLG and IEM, overall travel costs, etc.
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good thing for Latin America.
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playing half the groups live in AM and the other half live in EU then having them go to a new venue for the ro16 seems like unnecessary spending
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 01 2014 08:33 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:31 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:29 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:26 Dodgin wrote:On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . uh the ro32 will be online unless i'm not reading this right? On November 01 2014 08:27 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . Except for the ro32. And Challenger League. We had offline ro16s already for EU and AM. I'll be happy if they're playing in bigger venues but we're getting fewer offline Starcraft out of this, not more (Not counting the new Korean tournaments which is all good news) "Premier League RO32 Group Stage will be played onsite at the ESL Studios. Four groups will be played in the ESL Burbank studio in the US, and four groups will be played in the ESL Cologne studio in Germany." Soooo are they changing how the seeding for ro32 groups work or are we just cool with a bunch of EU players driving past Cologne to catch a plane to Burbank and vice versa Pretty sure in the ro32 they regions will still be devided, and the possibility of Scarlett vs Snute for example only exists from the ro16 onwards.
Is this you guessing or is that somewhere in Blizzard's announcement? Otherwise that doesn't sound consistent with the idea of unification at all.
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On November 01 2014 08:31 Dodgin wrote:
why would forgg retire, he can go back to korea. they have 9+ tournaments next year
ForGG kind if have a life in germany, maybe he does not want to come back to korea just to keep being a progamer ? i don't know...
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On November 01 2014 08:32 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:31 Dodgin wrote:
why would forgg retire, he can go back to korea. they have 9+ tournaments next year That doesn't help ForGG if he's unable to qualify D:
then I guess he can retire =)
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On November 01 2014 08:33 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:31 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:29 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:26 Dodgin wrote:On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . uh the ro32 will be online unless i'm not reading this right? On November 01 2014 08:27 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back . Except for the ro32. And Challenger League. We had offline ro16s already for EU and AM. I'll be happy if they're playing in bigger venues but we're getting fewer offline Starcraft out of this, not more (Not counting the new Korean tournaments which is all good news) "Premier League RO32 Group Stage will be played onsite at the ESL Studios. Four groups will be played in the ESL Burbank studio in the US, and four groups will be played in the ESL Cologne studio in Germany." Soooo are they changing how the seeding for ro32 groups work or are we just cool with a bunch of EU players driving past Cologne to catch a plane to Burbank and vice versa Pretty sure in the ro32 they regions will still be devided, and the possibility of Scarlett vs Snute for example only exists from the ro16 onwards.
There is no way they can guarantee that. What if more than 16 players in season 2 are from a single region? (EU for example)
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On November 01 2014 08:33 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:21 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:15 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 01 2014 08:14 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 01 2014 08:08 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:05 Zealously wrote:On November 01 2014 08:04 Yorkie wrote:
Well then...I was happy to see big changes after year one, but it sucks that the biggest tournament series in Starcraft is turning into a long term experiment. They really need to nail something down They need to nail something when it's good enough, not rush and settle on something that isn't good. How many more years do you think they have to kick ideas around? WCS works. It is already "good enough." Sure improvements can be made, like the region locking. But these changes are more than improvements, it's a complete overhaul. This game is not in a stage where we can say "Well by 2018 the system will be amazing." I see this as a clear improvement and I have no idea why you would argue against a clear improvement. It sucks that they didn't do this from the beginning, but not sure what the point is of repeating that over and over. Obviously I disagree with you? I don't think we can definitively say that this is a clear improvement. We have to wait and see. And if things aren't a lot better we're back to the drawing board at the end of 2015. I thought your point was that they should stop changing things not that it wasn't an improvement. If you don't think an improvement then by all means think it is a bad idea. Just don't say they shouldn't have done it even if it was an improvement. I don't think they should stop changing things. I just think that completely overhauling the system every November sucks. Making smaller changes like the region lock from earlier this year is a great idea, I just think this massive shift is the wrong way to go about it. If it ends up being a net positive I'll be super happy obviously but for now I'm skeptical about leaving a tried and true system entirely I'm not cerrtain the current system was tried and true. You'd probably need the numbers, amount invested, ROI, salaries, information from leagues like DH, MLG and IEM, overall travel costs, etc.
You mean those aren't available to us? 
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