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On November 01 2014 08:38 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:35 Tanzklaue wrote:On November 01 2014 08:26 Dodgin wrote:On November 01 2014 08:24 Tanzklaue wrote:On November 01 2014 08:20 Dodgin wrote:On November 01 2014 08:19 Tanzklaue wrote:
i love how next year, instead of punishing players for staying in korea, we now punish players for wanting to play outside of korea.
way to go! Korea is not region locked, they can just go to Korea =) or we keep the old system and those stupid lazy koreans can just leave korea and go play outside of korea! I mean, your argument isn't even refuting mine. going to korea might be the only choice left for most koreans, whether they like it or not. that means no more koreans playing outside of the korean ladder, which means all the improvement in gameplayquality we saw from foreign starcraft this year will come to a screeching hault. I'm not refuting an argument =) just saying they can go to Korea since there are way more opportunities now except if you're korean, then you have only the option of playing in korea and hope to have any kind of success in the harshest, most brutal environment in which only few can even consistently reach the ro16 of a tournament because everything is so volatile and brutal. that's not how you build a living. it also limits koreans going to weekendtournaments, since travel costs from korea to other countries are way higher than for example traveling from switzerland to germany or sweden. we will also see way more foreigners high up in the WCS rankings thanks to this, but without actual koreans in their respective regions and only having the occassional weekendtournament with (now presumably much less) korean opposition will lead to them being just complete and utter stompfodder for the koreans that managed to qualify. I may be doomsaying, but i don't like these changes. a healthy amount of koreans, like WCS EU had, is good for the scene. it helps foreigners, and gives koreans a chance to chase their dreams and see the world and collect experience. we did see what happens if there are too many koreans in a region, and none of them actually play ladder in the region, since there are no teamhouses for them there, thus not developing the scene, but i feel like we should find a middle ground between compelte korean seclution and koreans overrunning a region without contributing to the regions skill development. How does a dying scene profit from higher skill level? In the end it's all about money. You could have the best game in the world and the most skilled players of all time - without viewers and money it is meaningless
while i don't entirely dislike foreigner vs foreigner, i don't see how a tournament exclusively for foreigners helps the scene either. most of the foreigner exclusive tournaments in recent histroy had way less viewership than those with high level koreans, or better, high level foreigners duking it out with kespas best (and winning sometimes even!).
sc2 isn't like lol, where your relative skill compared to the rest of the world isn't as important since you have a secure working environment and get paid handsomely by riot, nor is sc2 like dota, where every relevant region bolsters strong teams and any good team can beat another good team on any given day. in sc2 koreans are currently better than foreigners, mostly in terms of depth, as i firmly believe that there isn't much difference between snute and a code s korean on a good day, and that problem would be solved by having koreans play foreigners more regulary.
basically, having the same situation as we had in broodwar won't help the scene grow either. i would say that it would die way faster even.
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On November 01 2014 08:46 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:44 klipik12 wrote:
I don't get why they're still trying to keep up the appearance that Challenger and Premier league are different. Maybe they were in 2013, but with the 2014 and 2015 formats it's basically a big 64-player tournament where you get seeded into the ro64 or ro32 depending on how well you did the previous season. And I'm not particularly enthusiastic about EU getting twice as many spots as NA... Europe has double the population of North America...
India still screwed.
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Every Korean in WCS Europe 2014 year was using a visa that is now disallowed.
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On November 01 2014 08:48 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:46 sharkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:44 klipik12 wrote:
I don't get why they're still trying to keep up the appearance that Challenger and Premier league are different. Maybe they were in 2013, but with the 2014 and 2015 formats it's basically a big 64-player tournament where you get seeded into the ro64 or ro32 depending on how well you did the previous season. And I'm not particularly enthusiastic about EU getting twice as many spots as NA... Europe has double the population of North America... India still screwed.
India has no infrastructure
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I liked it
Now Foreigner ro32 will be watchable with the best from NA/EU together
No chance for amateurs in the ro32, I guess
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I have to say a few things about the new system:
Pros:
*As a fellow latin american, I like that we have 2 reserved slots (even if 1 of them is going to go to  MajOr 100% of the time). We can have the local players have a little bit of exposure, which is one of the things that the region lacks.
*All premier league offline!
Cons:
*I really dislike the fact that all 32 players have to play challenger, and against people of their same region. This means every season were gonna have a fixed number of players from each region. I would have preferred to have just some number of players drop to challenger and then fight their way back. Over time the number of players from each region would have varied according to the strenght of each region.
*This is how they funded a second Korean league: they axed one WCS region and merge it into one.
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I think Blizzard should try only providing pay to the 8-16 best NA employees within the gaming industry. I have a feeling they would have to hire 8 new people. This company makes it really hard to like them. I'd be very interested in seeing a player poll between the big games atm in how they view the companies behind their games. This company is so out of touch.
The "good news" is it vaguely seems like they wanted an excuse to have real visa requirements this go around. Probably in a future season, they will be like o yeah, we did nothing to improve the scene and thus will expand paying slots, while keeping the same visa requirements. As a competitive player, before I got into the game, the atmosphere was great and WCS was a big reason. Now, NA players who are GM on Korea have to contemplate retiring. All you can do is laugh at this point and wait for someone else to take over Blizzard.
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On November 01 2014 08:46 ZAiNs wrote:
I assume Parting/Leenock/San can't play for Taiwan? I think the only Koreans in WCS will be Polt and Violet?
JYP studies in America as well since a couple of months back.
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so what happens with the eukors like stardust mma yoda first jjakji etc?
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I foresee Koreans retiring. I foresee NA and EU scene getting weaker. I foresee the days of WoL when Korea beat everyone because they had the best training partners and NA/EU get to train against other foreigners.
Am I wrong or no?
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On November 01 2014 08:44 klipik12 wrote:
I don't get why they're still trying to keep up the appearance that Challenger and Premier league are different. Maybe they were in 2013, but with the 2014 and 2015 formats it's basically a big 64-player tournament where you get seeded into the ro64 or ro32 depending on how well you did the previous season. And I'm not particularly enthusiastic about EU getting twice as many spots as NA...
i think it's fine that EU gets more seeds. EU has way more players, especially on a high level, so they naturally should get more seeds.
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On November 01 2014 08:50 MorroW wrote:
so what happens with the eukors like stardust mma yoda first jjakji etc?
Back to Korea unless they get full visas it seems
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On November 01 2014 08:50 MorroW wrote:
so what happens with the eukors like stardust mma yoda first jjakji etc?
No WCS for them. Either they stay and play DH, IEM etc while getting proper visa for next year, or they go back to Korea.
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Meanwhile, State is now forced to either keep competing in Korea or move back home.
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On November 01 2014 08:52 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:50 MorroW wrote:
so what happens with the eukors like stardust mma yoda first jjakji etc? No WCS for them. Either they stay and play DH, IEM etc while getting proper visa for next year, or they go back to Korea.
why not just get visas now? does it take that long?
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On November 01 2014 08:49 messioso wrote:
Every Korean in WCS Europe 2014 year was using a visa that is now disallowed.
This should be added in OP.
On November 01 2014 08:53 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:52 DJHelium wrote:On November 01 2014 08:50 MorroW wrote:
so what happens with the eukors like stardust mma yoda first jjakji etc? No WCS for them. Either they stay and play DH, IEM etc while getting proper visa for next year, or they go back to Korea. why not just get visas now? does it take that long?
It took ForGG almost a year the first time iirc. Definitely more than 6 months, for sure.
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On November 01 2014 08:53 Circumstance wrote:
Meanwhile, State is now forced to either keep competing in Korea or move back home.
So... nothing changed?
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On November 01 2014 08:49 messioso wrote:
Every Korean in WCS Europe 2014 year was using a visa that is now disallowed.
Do you know anything about WCS AM? Which players had allowed visas?
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On November 01 2014 08:53 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:52 DJHelium wrote:On November 01 2014 08:50 MorroW wrote:
so what happens with the eukors like stardust mma yoda first jjakji etc? No WCS for them. Either they stay and play DH, IEM etc while getting proper visa for next year, or they go back to Korea. why not just get visas now? does it take that long?
~6 months at least is what I've heard ppl say, don't know though.
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On November 01 2014 08:53 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:52 DJHelium wrote:On November 01 2014 08:50 MorroW wrote:
so what happens with the eukors like stardust mma yoda first jjakji etc? No WCS for them. Either they stay and play DH, IEM etc while getting proper visa for next year, or they go back to Korea. why not just get visas now? does it take that long?
especially in the US it can take literal years to get a visa that would qualify for WCS premier league. in the Eu you need language skills from the country you live in to get a working visa if i caught that correctly from posts in this thread. good luck learning a language like german in less than 3 months!
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