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Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
October 31 2014 23:55 GMT
#161
Honestly, I feel like with cases like ForGG Blizzard could solve it by adding a clause of (or having at least lived x amount of time in certain region). It would prevent the people that just fly over from Korea to participate in WCS but would allow people that really added to the scene in the NA/EU region.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
October 31 2014 23:56 GMT
#162
What I have disliked Ro16 offline in EU and USA. They fly to a venue, play 2xBo3 and end. I can think that this feels so unrewarded and unmotivated for players. Now EU players have to fly to USA for 2x Bo3 (Ro32) and then they fly to a venue in EU for another 2xBo3.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 31 2014 23:56 GMT
#163
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 31 2014 23:57 GMT
#164
On November 01 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote:
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?


JYP as well I think.
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
October 31 2014 23:58 GMT
#165
On November 01 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote:
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?

yep.

WCS premier will be a constant top 8 of polt, violet, snute, bunny, scarlett, sen, huk and vortix next year.
projectChaos
Profile Joined December 2011
154 Posts
November 01 2014 00:00 GMT
#166
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 01 2014 00:00 GMT
#167
On November 01 2014 08:57 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote:
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?


JYP as well I think.


New dream then. JYP shows up and gives a massage to a player on stream.

Naniwa dies of an apoplectic rage.
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REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
November 01 2014 00:00 GMT
#168
Okay, never payed much attention to WCS EU and US so I can't really comment on that part.

I'm really glad that blizzard is getting more Korea oriented. I'm always behind supporting the best of the best.

And to ForGG and people in similar situation. I'm sorry but it's kind of logical that you need to be a citizen of a certain country to make a living there. I live in Serbia, which is not European union country, and it's damn hard to get a working visa to go like work in Austria/Germany and you can only get it for like 2-3 months.
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 01 2014 00:00 GMT
#169
On November 01 2014 08:57 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote:
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?


JYP as well I think.

Balloon?
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#170
On November 01 2014 08:58 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote:
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?

yep.

WCS premier will be a constant top 8 of polt, violet, snute, bunny, scarlett, sen, huk and vortix next year.


Things happen. We tend to overestimate consistency of players and underestimate the strength of others in their region. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Ro8 with only 1-3 of those players.
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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#171
Tanzklaue DJHelium

thanks alot guys! well i for one hope they move back and wcs eu becomes what i hoped itd be years ago haha
i think most eu pros would agree the with me here. better practice is nice but fighting them in all tours (including the smallest weekly cups) has surely made it difficult to get by these days money-wise, speaking as a mid-tier foreiger pro here
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v_lm
Profile Joined September 2012
France202 Posts
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#172
Maybe ForGG can have an athlete visa for Season 2 ?
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#173
On November 01 2014 08:58 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote:
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?

yep.

WCS premier will be a constant top 8 of polt, violet, snute, bunny, scarlett, sen, huk and vortix next year.


I think we will see some new faces! Not many thought Bunny was a top foreigner at the beginning of 2014. Lilbow looks promising!
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#174
On November 01 2014 09:00 projectChaos wrote:
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.


Umm... that's not what's happening here. That was announced like a month ago.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#175
On November 01 2014 08:49 messioso wrote:
Every Korean in WCS Europe 2014 year was using a visa that is now disallowed.


Thanks for the info! Well MC already has a new place in Korea I think .

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:09:49
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#176
This is perfect no?

A "foreign" wcs (with few koreans still..) and 2 big korean tournaments.

Foreigners will have more chances to shine overall and reach the wcs final but in the same time Korea will keep most of the wcs points and cash money.

And icing on the cake, it will be more interesting to watch.

I didn't ask for more.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#177
On November 01 2014 09:00 projectChaos wrote:
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.


Did you miss the announcement about the Korean scene earlier today?
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:03:36
November 01 2014 00:02 GMT
#178
On November 01 2014 09:00 Yhamm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:57 DJHelium wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote:
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?


JYP as well I think.

Balloon?


He moved back to Korea and will study there according to dude at reddit.

On November 01 2014 09:01 MorroW wrote:
Tanzklaue DJHelium

thanks alot guys! well i for one hope they move back and wcs eu becomes what i hoped itd be years ago haha
i think most eu pros would agree the with me here. better practice is nice but fighting them in all tours (including the smallest weekly cups) has surely made it difficult to get by these days money-wise, speaking as a mid-tier foreiger pro here


NP! I kinda agree, but in forgg's case I really think he should be eligible to play. Guess the line has to be drawn somewhere, but a couple of years of EU ladder should be enough.

And you're no mid-tier foreigner, top level for sure! Cheers
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
November 01 2014 00:03 GMT
#179
On November 01 2014 09:01 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:58 Tanzklaue wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote:
The only Koreans that'll get visas in time for this are Violet and Polt since they already have them?

yep.

WCS premier will be a constant top 8 of polt, violet, snute, bunny, scarlett, sen, huk and vortix next year.


Things happen. We tend to overestimate consistency of players and underestimate the strength of others in their region. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Ro8 with only 1-3 of those players.

I just tend to exclude players and think too much in absolutes. players like TLO, Welmu, Major, Jim and Happy are good enough to have shots at it too.

i still think that especially the round of 16 will be filled with mostly the same players though.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 01 2014 00:04 GMT
#180
boooh silly Blizzard. Kinda liked the way they went in 2014, 2015 looks like they gave up on what they wanted to achieve. I'll miss the epicly stacked IEMs and Dreamhacks the most though.
Just a personal problem though, as many like the changes for now. I'll just put all my hopes into unique map pools being used. Already curious how the end of 2015, really need a timemachine.
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