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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 01 2014 00:17 GMT
#201
WCS sanctioned can still consists of 75% invites with invites seeded one round before getting points, lol.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:18:47
November 01 2014 00:17 GMT
#202
On November 01 2014 09:00 projectChaos wrote:
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.


Whatever bro, the "last nail in the coffin" has been going into SC2 since end of 2011.

On November 01 2014 09:08 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:07 messioso wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:49 messioso wrote:
Every Korean in WCS Europe 2014 year was using a visa that is now disallowed.


Do you know anything about WCS AM? Which players had allowed visas?


Violet and Polt are the only two to my knowledge.


JYP?


I think he has a student visa, right? Which is not a proper working/athlete visa like the kind Violet has.
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 01 2014 00:18 GMT
#203
On November 01 2014 09:15 messioso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:08 DJHelium wrote:
On November 01 2014 09:07 messioso wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:49 messioso wrote:
Every Korean in WCS Europe 2014 year was using a visa that is now disallowed.


Do you know anything about WCS AM? Which players had allowed visas?


Violet and Polt are the only two to my knowledge.


JYP?


To my knowledge. I never paid much attention to WCS America and it's players as I didn't need to. First I heard about JYP being in America was today ^^


Yeah he has only been there a bit over a month I think.

Btw, do you know how (for example) #9-14 players will be decided in EU? #9-16 placed play, then losers play again and losers are out?
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 01 2014 00:18 GMT
#204
On November 01 2014 09:17 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:00 projectChaos wrote:
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.


Whatever bro, the "last nail in the coffin" has been going into SC2 since end of 2011.


Maybe it's just a really long nail in a really fucking thick coffin
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:25:47
November 01 2014 00:19 GMT
#205
So with 28 player challenger, only 28 players get money from WCS challenger/premier (EU). This year EU had 48 people in challanger/premier.
NA will have 16 player challenger.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 01 2014 00:21 GMT
#206
Ro32 in 2014 Season 3
Europe: 10 Koreans, 22 Europeans
America: 8 NA, 1 Latin (Mexico is Latin I guess?), 16 Koreans, 5 Chinese, 1 Taiwanese, 1 SEA

2015: 14 Europeans (-8), 8 NA (-), 4 Chinese (-1), 2 Latin (+1), 2 SEA (+1), 2 Taiwanese (+1)

is that correct?

I'm a bit sad for the Koreans that actually lived in Europe for the passed 1-2 years. StarDust, ForGG, jjakji, etc... they did help the European scene a lot I think
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projectChaos
Profile Joined December 2011
154 Posts
November 01 2014 00:22 GMT
#207
On November 01 2014 09:06 sashkata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:00 projectChaos wrote:
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.

So watch the Korean scene. They have a lot more tournaments now. Ofc Huyn and MC might not make, but at least you will be watching "high level" games.


Guys like MC and Hyun came "here"(to the foreign world) by choice and they obviously enjoy it. Why would you force them to go back to Korea just through a formality.
I can`t watch Korean tournaments because they begin very early and I rather watch tournaments life. Additionally there are other cofactors why a lot of foreigners prefer to watch foreign tournaments despite them being overrun by Koreans (especially in the later rounds) like casters, english host etc.
Now we will be stucked with the Blys and Blings who are practicing 2 hours a week, it seems.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
November 01 2014 00:23 GMT
#208
On November 01 2014 09:00 projectChaos wrote:
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.

Chances are higher than ever before that you can see Hyun vs MC.

Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 01 2014 00:23 GMT
#209
Let's hope the situation with ForGG can be fixed. It would really be a bad joke if he is not allowed to participate in WCS EU.
Can't Millenium just give him a working visa? He's been around in France like since forever in esports time.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 01 2014 00:24 GMT
#210
On November 01 2014 09:22 projectChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:06 sashkata wrote:
On November 01 2014 09:00 projectChaos wrote:
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.

So watch the Korean scene. They have a lot more tournaments now. Ofc Huyn and MC might not make, but at least you will be watching "high level" games.


Guys like MC and Hyun came "here"(to the foreign world) by choice and they obviously enjoy it. Why would you force them to go back to Korea just through a formality.
I can`t watch Korean tournaments because they begin very early and I rather watch tournaments life. Additionally there are other cofactors why a lot of foreigners prefer to watch foreign tournaments despite them being overrun by Koreans (especially in the later rounds) like casters, english host etc.
Now we will be stucked with the Blys and Blings who are practicing 2 hours a week, it seems.

MC was already going back to korea before this?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
November 01 2014 00:25 GMT
#211
I think merging AM and EU is pretty interesting, it would definately mix up the foreigner scene enough and overall increase the skill level I think. But just taking two tournaments and making it into one is kinda weird imo.

Would be cool if they had two 32 player tournaments that merged into a global tournament. Say WCS AM and WCS EU held their events like usual. But the top 8 in each tournament get put into a global 16 player tournament.
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mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:28:21
November 01 2014 00:26 GMT
#212
any NA vs EU matches will be played only offline right??

cause the latency is a huge factor
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 01 2014 00:27 GMT
#213
On November 01 2014 09:26 mikumegurine wrote:
any NA vs EU matches will be played only offline right??

cause the latency is a huge factor

all Ro32 and onwards are Offline
you can't have Eu vs NA online
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
November 01 2014 00:28 GMT
#214
On November 01 2014 09:22 projectChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:06 sashkata wrote:
On November 01 2014 09:00 projectChaos wrote:
this makes me sick and it is a good reason to leave the SC2 scene. Koreans are getting punished for their dedication and discipline for the game and you guys are celebrating it. There were no handicaps for the foreigners, and still they were not able to compete with the Koreans.
I would rather watch a "high level" match between Hyun and MC than a noobgame between Mana and Huk, any day.

Such a desperate move. The last nail in the coffin.

So watch the Korean scene. They have a lot more tournaments now. Ofc Huyn and MC might not make, but at least you will be watching "high level" games.


Guys like MC and Hyun came "here"(to the foreign world) by choice and they obviously enjoy it. Why would you force them to go back to Korea just through a formality.
I can`t watch Korean tournaments because they begin very early and I rather watch tournaments life. Additionally there are other cofactors why a lot of foreigners prefer to watch foreign tournaments despite them being overrun by Koreans (especially in the later rounds) like casters, english host etc.
Now we will be stucked with the Blys and Blings who are practicing 2 hours a week, it seems.


With only 32 slots in foreigner premier, and the way it is distributed, I really doubt players of the caliber of Bly and Bling will make it to premier
Maybe the latin america player who is not major will be a bit weak, and the players from SEA will be weak too, but everyone else will be very strong by foreigner standards.
...
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:29:13
November 01 2014 00:28 GMT
#215
On November 01 2014 09:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
So with 28 player challenger, only 28 players get money from WCS challenger/premier (EU). This year EU had 48 people in challanger/premier.
NA will have 16 player challenger.

So in other words that means 41,7% less spots for EU players.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:34:15
November 01 2014 00:29 GMT
#216
I don't understand why they would bother seperating in so many regional qualifiers.

There should be 3 qualifiers feeding into WCS in my opinion:

1. One qualifier played on the EU server for all players living in the EU ladder region (Europe, Africa, middle east)

2. One qualifier played on the AM server for all players living in the AM ladder region (North and South America)

3. One qualifier played on the SEA server for all players living in the SEA ladder region plus China

Starting from Season 2 onwards, each qualifier seeds 8 people into the main event, with addition 8 slots freely allocated between the three qualifiers depending on the performance of the players in the last season.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:30:48
November 01 2014 00:29 GMT
#217
so even less spots in premier (50% less), ready to be grabbed up by all the koreans on foreigner teams?

or are the koreans that live in NA and EU visas not eligible anymore?
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:30:40
November 01 2014 00:30 GMT
#218
On November 01 2014 09:17 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Whatever bro, the "last nail in the coffin" has been going into SC2 since end of 2011.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:08 DJHelium wrote:
On November 01 2014 09:07 messioso wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:49 messioso wrote:
Every Korean in WCS Europe 2014 year was using a visa that is now disallowed.


Do you know anything about WCS AM? Which players had allowed visas?


Violet and Polt are the only two to my knowledge.


JYP?


I think he has a student visa, right? Which is not a proper working/athlete visa like the kind Violet has.


Examples of acceptable identification
Professional athlete visa
Work visa
Student visa


So it should work just fine!

On November 01 2014 09:29 mikumegurine wrote:
so even less spots in premier (50% less), ready to be grabbed up by all the koreans on foreigner teams?


All the koreans don't have proper visas. Only ones who do afaik are Polt, Violet and JYP.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
November 01 2014 00:36 GMT
#219
What the fuck? How are people going to get VISAs then?! Do they get VISAs for Europe or America or Canada?
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 00:37:34
November 01 2014 00:36 GMT
#220
what about the koreans getting a working visa in taiwan (on taiwan teams too)

would these players be in qualifers from Taiwan then?

and whoa gratz for Polt and Violet getting their visas done early, so they dont have to fuss about this like other koreans

should be easy pickings for them in this league
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