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On November 01 2014 08:15 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:14 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 01 2014 08:08 Yorkie wrote:On November 01 2014 08:05 Zealously wrote:On November 01 2014 08:04 Yorkie wrote:
Well then...I was happy to see big changes after year one, but it sucks that the biggest tournament series in Starcraft is turning into a long term experiment. They really need to nail something down They need to nail something when it's good enough, not rush and settle on something that isn't good. How many more years do you think they have to kick ideas around? WCS works. It is already "good enough." Sure improvements can be made, like the region locking. But these changes are more than improvements, it's a complete overhaul. This game is not in a stage where we can say "Well by 2018 the system will be amazing." I see this as a clear improvement and I have no idea why you would argue against a clear improvement. It sucks that they didn't do this from the beginning, but not sure what the point is of repeating that over and over. Obviously I disagree with you? I don't think we can definitively say that this is a clear improvement. We have to wait and see. And if things aren't a lot better we're back to the drawing board at the end of 2015. I thought your point was that they should stop changing things not that it wasn't an improvement. If you don't think an improvement then by all means think it is a bad idea. Just don't say they shouldn't have done it even if it was an improvement.
I don't think they should stop changing things. I just think that completely overhauling the system every November sucks. Making smaller changes like the region lock from earlier this year is a great idea, I just think this massive shift is the wrong way to go about it. If it ends up being a net positive I'll be super happy obviously but for now I'm skeptical about leaving a tried and true system entirely
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On November 01 2014 08:19 Tanzklaue wrote:
i love how next year, instead of punishing players for staying in korea, we now punish players for wanting to play outside of korea.
way to go!
This basically sidesteps the largest punishment that anyone has had to deal with throughout all of Starcraft: The punishment for not being BORN in Korea. The region lock sounded like it was starting to try and alleviate that problem. Now it's adding to it.
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Unexpectedly strict visa requirements. Without working holiday visa pretty much all Koreans are out of the unified Premier League, I guess. I think Polt and viOlet are exceptions?
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On November 01 2014 08:20 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:19 Tanzklaue wrote:
i love how next year, instead of punishing players for staying in korea, we now punish players for wanting to play outside of korea.
way to go! Korea is not region locked, they can just go to Korea =)
And there are 2 leagues in Korea now.
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On November 01 2014 08:01 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:00 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On November 01 2014 07:59 Zealously wrote:On November 01 2014 07:55 Conti wrote:On November 01 2014 07:49 Zealously wrote:On November 01 2014 07:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On November 01 2014 07:45 Cheren wrote:On November 01 2014 07:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:I dont know. WCS NA and WCS EU in same? That kind of sucks... 32 players in premier, so that means 32 premier spots less than now. That sucks  Same amount of offline games, though. But less premier spots. Less money for pros There is no more or less money going out to the players than before as I understand it. How does this work with 32 less spots that have prize money (presumably)? From what I heard, the total prize money will be a combination of what previously went into both regions. Obviously this means that less people will get money each season, but it will also mean that getting into Challenger/Premier will provide you with twice as large (roughly) a paycheck. With the turnover rate in top Challenger/low Premier, I don't think this will change too much. Well, not problem for NA since they dont have alot players  But for EU China and Taiwan have too few spots too. I'm not sure about Sea beyond Iaguz, Petreaus, Pig and KingKong since I dont follow it as close as the others.
"Too few" is very relative.
It's too few to accommodate all the players in China and Taiwan who want to play SC2 professionally, but it's not too few relative to how many opportunities Koreans get relative to their skill level, even in 2015.
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Faith in the Starcraft 2 pro scene restored.
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On November 01 2014 08:21 SinCitta wrote:
Unexpectedly strict visa requirements. Without working holiday visa pretty much all Koreans are out of the unified Premier League, I guess.
Which makes sense, given that fewer players can now get into Premier.
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I feel like a lot of people are missing this line:
The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
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On November 01 2014 08:20 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:19 Tanzklaue wrote:
i love how next year, instead of punishing players for staying in korea, we now punish players for wanting to play outside of korea.
way to go! Korea is not region locked, they can just go to Korea =)
or we keep the old system and those stupid lazy koreans can just leave korea and go play outside of korea!
I mean, your argument isn't even refuting mine. going to korea might be the only choice left for most koreans, whether they like it or not. that means no more koreans playing outside of the korean ladder, which means all the improvement in gameplayquality we saw from foreign starcraft this year will come to a screeching hault.
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On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: Show nested quote +The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back  .
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On November 01 2014 08:24 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:20 Dodgin wrote:On November 01 2014 08:19 Tanzklaue wrote:
i love how next year, instead of punishing players for staying in korea, we now punish players for wanting to play outside of korea.
way to go! Korea is not region locked, they can just go to Korea =) or we keep the old system and those stupid lazy koreans can just leave korea and go play outside of korea! I mean, your argument isn't even refuting mine. going to korea might be the only choice left for most koreans, whether they like it or not. that means no more koreans playing outside of the korean ladder, which means all the improvement in gameplayquality we saw from foreign starcraft this year will come to a screeching hault.
I'm not refuting an argument =) just saying they can go to Korea since there are way more opportunities now
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On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: Show nested quote +The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
Three (?) more Red Bull-like events each year, do want.
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On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back .
uh the ro32 will be online unless i'm not reading this right?
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On November 01 2014 08:25 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 08:23 ZAiNs wrote:I feel like a lot of people are missing this line: The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event.
It's awesome, nothing will be online in premiere leage anymore and we get real venues back .
Except for the ro32. And Challenger League. We had offline ro16s already for EU and AM. I'll be happy if they're playing in bigger venues but we're getting fewer offline Starcraft out of this, not more (Not counting the new Korean tournaments which is all good news)
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Code A sure is going to be even more stacked next year aswell as retirements most likely as Korea simply won't be able to support all those players they have atm+returning korean players from WCS America/Europe with just 3 GSLs and 3 KeSPA Cups.
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ugh i dont really like this myself but i guess we'll see how it turns out. I'd prefer 2 regions
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Please guys, like or not, these changes are required to keep the pro scene alive
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havnt read it all atm
but i like it alot ! would have never watched wcs america with no koreans in it, but now its way more fun to watch , EU VS AM vs ASIA(except korea) is way more fun than just AM vs Asia(except korea)
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"The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event"
i guess no more studio finals anymore?? real venue?? huraaayyy
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I like the idea of a unified foreigner league. Things were starting to get stale with the same format year after year.
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On November 01 2014 08:27 Killmouse wrote:
havnt read it all atm
but i like it alot ! would have never watched wcs america with no koreans in it, but now its way more fun to watch , EU VS AM vs ASIA(except korea) is way more fun than just AM vs Asia(except korea)
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"The 16 Players advancing from the RO32 will be compete onsite at a live venue location for the Season Finals event"
i guess no more studio finals anymore?? real venue?? huraaayyy
From what I heard, they're aiming for venues like the places Red Bull hosted their tournaments in this year.
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