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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Couldn't belief that Flash played like he did in Toronto. But he did almost make it after so many games to study were out there. Of course the patch acclimatisation is still running, but pretty impressive by him nevertheless. Still a long way to go to become the most figured out person in Sc2 and still win achievement. (Well you kinda have to go to more tournaments for that anyway) But yay DRG ! | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On September 07 2014 07:39 Trustworthy-Tony wrote: If you're losing to DRG, you're not a worthy champion anyway. Let's hope Flash gets his shit together and stops losing to dishwashers. Come on man | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On September 07 2014 07:39 Trustworthy-Tony wrote: If you're losing to DRG, you're not a worthy champion anyway. Let's hope Flash gets his shit together and stops losing to dishwashers. Wow so edgy and BM | ||
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Miscellany
Wales125 Posts
soO deserves ro8 though, no doubt. And I'm happy that DRG is getting this shot, it might have "saved" his career. I don't think either one is going much further though. soO's ZvP isn't up to the 3 Protoss on his side of the bracket, and I think DRG will struggle more against Innovation's style compared to Flash. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 07 2014 09:19 usethis2 wrote: Geez. DRG did not go "Foreign Style ZvT" (apparently meant for his production of Swarm Hosts) Flash had one point majority of his army consisting of Thors and Hellbats, which made DRG believe Flash was switching to mech. That is why he produced Swarm Hosts. That was a misread by DRG, not him trying out a different style. (Nothing wrong with trying out different strats or Swarm Hosts, I just think that observation is wrong.) If you watch the game you can see that he produced 12 Swarm Hosts in the mid game and never reproduced them again. He simply kept them alive for a long time. Edit: I am talking about the game 1. I'm not certain. We look at the way Flash has played TvZ in the last 2 weeks and we see mass bio with thor hellbat. Would DRG really think it was mech at that point despite having done enough scouting to know flash opens reaper first without scouting into cc on Merry Go Round? And doing multiple run-bys into Flash's natural and see bio units? I don't think so. On top of that DRG is in contact with Catz as far as I know and does have a lot of respect for foreign players so he could have easily decided to pick this up and try it in g1. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 07 2014 09:36 Phredxor wrote: FlaSh got outplayed today, but it's not that big a deal. He has still been looking fantastic for the last couple of months and I don't think he'll suddenly just drop back to being a 'good' Terran. I am not sure if outplayed is the right expression. He won 2-0 Had a tough time vs soO who came back after that awesome opening from flash, who maybe was overeager, or I don't know how you come back after almost 30 drone loss in the earlygame. Took a lot of good engagements but fell to sometimes even desperate counter-attacks. Seeing this over and over again (not defending well sometimes, even at IEM vs Taeja he almost lost vs the constant runbys from Tajea), I feel this is his greatest weakness. The series vs soO and DRG were close, I don't think he got outplayed. I still don't like the effectiveness of just spamming lots of banelings vs him trying to to position himself perfectly with marine, marauder, hellbats, thors and medivacs but well, he should have known to not take some fights I guess. It's not like he did have to prepare for 3 races to play against, maybe his TvZ got figured out, cause he was doing well lately but playing pretty "standard". On September 07 2014 07:47 KingAlphard wrote: U must be trolling right?I wasn't really that much hyped about his IEM performance. He almost lost to Snute in the ro8 who isn't as good as any of the zerg players in that group. I mean, I still predicted him to go through after soO , but he didn't look unstoppable at all with his TvZ. Also he dropped a series to MC, whom most people say that he would be stuck in code A if he played GSL. I quote from the text for you He was 65-17 from July to the end of August. 79.27% in win rate against some of the best in the world. Did you see who he beat at IEM? Your whole "I am not impressed" is based around the game against tha best foreigner Zerg at the moment? Snute just beat Jaedong 2-0 in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/466325-wec-2014 Jaedong may not be the best Zerg atm, but his ZvZ was always pretty good, he had winrates above 80% in that matchup a couple of months ago. And while I was not particularly impressed by the Series vs Snute, he showed that he was clearly better. While the 2-0 lead of snute was kinda all-inish, you also have to think of the EU players most of the time being a little bit ahead of the current meta sometimes and that Snute played a completely new style vs Flash, he may not know how to break it (yet). Even QXC admitted, that it has yet to be seen how you can break snutes lategame TvZ. The Snute that killed CJ Entuses Hero over and over again. And many others. So it's more impressive if you think flash managed to adapt to snutes maybe completely different to what he was used playstyle within 2 games. Also Snute played pretty aggressive, and to allins even the best players fall from time to time  Just look up who Flash beat the last couple of weeks or just at IEM, if you say you are not impressed, you are just trolling and provoking those who cheered for flash. Which is something I don't get: being happy for "your" favorite to advance - fine. Being happy about fans of other players being sad sounds kinda stupid and childish to me | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 07 2014 11:06 Iodem wrote: if Flash wins kespa cup is he guaranteed a spot at blizzcon or is it still uncertain? still uncertain AFAIR, besides he won't win the KESPA cup. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 07 2014 10:58 stuchiu wrote: I'm not certain. We look at the way Flash has played TvZ in the last 2 weeks and we see mass bio with thor hellbat. Would DRG really think it was mech at that point despite having done enough scouting to know flash opens reaper first without scouting into cc on Merry Go Round? And doing multiple run-bys into Flash's natural and see bio units? I don't think so. On top of that DRG is in contact with Catz as far as I know and does have a lot of respect for foreign players so he could have easily decided to pick this up and try it in g1. Yeah I agree. That was just a standard game from FlaSh and i'm sure DRG knew it, he was just attempting the Snute style SH transition for whatever reason. Mech seems to have pretty much died off again. Unless you're Bbyong trying it vs P. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On September 07 2014 11:06 Iodem wrote: if Flash wins kespa cup is he guaranteed a spot at blizzcon or is it still uncertain? Flash is currently at 1475 WCS points. Kespa Cup offers 1500 points for 1st place. He'd then be at 2975 which is very good considering the cutoff is around 2300 atm. No guarantee but I'd project him to be very competitive in that scenario. WCS, DH: Moscow, Redbull Finals are out of reach for him but DH Stockholm could further change a few things provided he attends. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 07 2014 11:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Flash is currently at 1475 WCS points. Kespa Cup offers 1500 points for 1st place. He'd then be at 2975 which is very good considering the cutoff is around 2300 atm. WCS, DH: Moscow, Redbull Finals are out of reach for him but DH Stockholm could further change a few things provided he attends. I think it's slightly less. Pretty sure I read Die4ever saying he's already been awarded 250 for the first round, so that makes it 2725. No idea if that's enough or not. :s On September 07 2014 08:37 Die4Ever wrote: You're not taking into account that Flash already has 250 WCS Points from KeSPA Cup, so if he gets 2nd then he doesn't gain 800 points he only gains 550. So if he gets 2nd in KeSPA Cup and then goes to and wins DreamHack Stockholm then he's at 2,775 WCS Points ~ 26.36 % of the time 2,775 points is enough to qualify for Blizzcon So yes he still has a chance if he gets 2nd at KeSPA Cup, that's why WCS Predictor gives him ~ 0.68 % chances if he gets 2nd place, because if he then goes on to win DH Stockholm he then has about 26% chances. But he isn't even confirmed to be going to DH Stockholm yet, if he confirms that he is attending then it will boost his chances on WCS Predictor. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On September 07 2014 10:58 Rollora wrote: Being happy about fans of other players being sad sounds kinda stupid and childish to me Welcome to esports | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
nickname tryhard <3 | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
Welcome to sports. A Dodger fan is just as happy when the Giants lose as when the Dodgers win. | ||
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biskit
Australia355 Posts
I was hoping he would be able to win this GSL, but I can't be sad about soO and DRG go through :D. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13992 Posts
On September 07 2014 08:20 Xoronius wrote: This is probably just a sad attempt to troll, but just in case, you are actually serious. DRG has a winning record vs Innovation (who is in the ro8). DRG eliminated Solar from RBBG Global. Solar is also in the GSL ro8. DRG just knocked out last seasons semi-finlaist TRUE and IEM champion Flash. If you seriously think, DRG is a Dishwasher, you are incredibly uneducated about the game. DRG one of the absolute best at Starcraft in history, up there with old 3 of wings Polt Taeja MMA Life Stephano | ||
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Flossy
United States870 Posts
On September 07 2014 10:58 Rollora wrote: Being happy about fans of other players being sad sounds kinda stupid and childish to me You must be new here. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13992 Posts
On September 07 2014 10:58 stuchiu wrote: I'm not certain. We look at the way Flash has played TvZ in the last 2 weeks and we see mass bio with thor hellbat. Would DRG really think it was mech at that point despite having done enough scouting to know flash opens reaper first without scouting into cc on Merry Go Round? And doing multiple run-bys into Flash's natural and see bio units? I don't think so. On top of that DRG is in contact with Catz as far as I know and does have a lot of respect for foreign players so he could have easily decided to pick this up and try it in g1. He does, probably the korean who has the most admitted respect for foreigners in general, but mainly HuK and Scarlett if I remember correctly(cause he said HuK was best foreigner and he is now 2 and 2 with scarlett the 1st 2 times at IPL 4 the 3 at an ATC Finals, Scarlett tied it up at Anaheim) | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On September 07 2014 11:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Flash is currently at 1475 WCS points. Kespa Cup offers 1500 points for 1st place. He'd then be at 2975 which is very good considering the cutoff is around 2300 atm. No guarantee but I'd project him to be very competitive in that scenario. WCS, DH: Moscow, Redbull Finals are out of reach for him but DH Stockholm could further change a few things provided he attends. He can only get 1250 from kespa cup, which lands him behind jjakji and ahead of soo Then he has to pray for a lot of players to fail hard Winning one round in kespa cup earns you 400 points, which is enough for classic, soo, sos to overcome him Cj hero needs 2 wins there Then you have rain and soo still alive in the gsl Pigbaby and violet alive in wcs am Mma, forgg going far in wcs europe is bad to him too Random people out of the top16 (like scarllet, innovation, liquid hero) winning season 3 also surpass him If he really wants to secure blizzcon, he has to go to dreamhack stockholm | ||
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