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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 07 2014 00:53 GMT
#41
The price for Toronto has been payed.
Couldn't belief that Flash played like he did in Toronto. But he did almost make it after so many games to study were out there. Of course the patch acclimatisation is still running, but pretty impressive by him nevertheless.
Still a long way to go to become the most figured out person in Sc2 and still win achievement. (Well you kinda have to go to more tournaments for that anyway)

But yay DRG !
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 01:16:41
September 07 2014 01:15 GMT
#42
On September 07 2014 07:39 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
If you're losing to DRG, you're not a worthy champion anyway. Let's hope Flash gets his shit together and stops losing to dishwashers.

Come on man
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 07 2014 01:52 GMT
#43
On September 07 2014 07:39 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
If you're losing to DRG, you're not a worthy champion anyway. Let's hope Flash gets his shit together and stops losing to dishwashers.

Wow so edgy and BM
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Miscellany
Profile Joined September 2011
Wales125 Posts
September 07 2014 01:54 GMT
#44
I don't think flash lost in a way that was like "wow this guy is actually medicore, he didn't really stand a chance and his overall play isn't up to the ro8". But a loss is a loss, there were a number of chances or things that could have gone differently, but if Flash really is as good as everyone says it wouldn't have mattered. I do think that not making widow mines was wrong considering the number of banelings.

soO deserves ro8 though, no doubt. And I'm happy that DRG is getting this shot, it might have "saved" his career. I don't think either one is going much further though. soO's ZvP isn't up to the 3 Protoss on his side of the bracket, and I think DRG will struggle more against Innovation's style compared to Flash.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 01:59:23
September 07 2014 01:58 GMT
#45
On September 07 2014 09:19 usethis2 wrote:
Geez. DRG did not go "Foreign Style ZvT" (apparently meant for his production of Swarm Hosts) Flash had one point majority of his army consisting of Thors and Hellbats, which made DRG believe Flash was switching to mech. That is why he produced Swarm Hosts. That was a misread by DRG, not him trying out a different style. (Nothing wrong with trying out different strats or Swarm Hosts, I just think that observation is wrong.)

If you watch the game you can see that he produced 12 Swarm Hosts in the mid game and never reproduced them again. He simply kept them alive for a long time.

Edit: I am talking about the game 1.


I'm not certain. We look at the way Flash has played TvZ in the last 2 weeks and we see mass bio with thor hellbat. Would DRG really think it was mech at that point despite having done enough scouting to know flash opens reaper first without scouting into cc on Merry Go Round? And doing multiple run-bys into Flash's natural and see bio units?

I don't think so. On top of that DRG is in contact with Catz as far as I know and does have a lot of respect for foreign players so he could have easily decided to pick this up and try it in g1.
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Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 02:09:39
September 07 2014 01:58 GMT
#46
On September 07 2014 09:36 Phredxor wrote:
FlaSh got outplayed today, but it's not that big a deal. He has still been looking fantastic for the last couple of months and I don't think he'll suddenly just drop back to being a 'good' Terran.

I am not sure if outplayed is the right expression.
He won 2-0
Had a tough time vs soO who came back after that awesome opening from flash, who maybe was overeager, or I don't know how you come back after almost 30 drone loss in the earlygame. Took a lot of good engagements but fell to sometimes even desperate counter-attacks.

Seeing this over and over again (not defending well sometimes, even at IEM vs Taeja he almost lost vs the constant runbys from Tajea), I feel this is his greatest weakness.
The series vs soO and DRG were close, I don't think he got outplayed.
I still don't like the effectiveness of just spamming lots of banelings vs him trying to to position himself perfectly with marine, marauder, hellbats, thors and medivacs but well, he should have known to not take some fights I guess. It's not like he did have to prepare for 3 races to play against, maybe his TvZ got figured out, cause he was doing well lately but playing pretty "standard".
On September 07 2014 07:47 KingAlphard wrote:
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On September 07 2014 07:24 Silvana wrote:
Aw cmon guys, with the streak Flash put since Proleague finals it was impossible to not hype him.

I might be missing data/stats but do you anti-hype Cure too who is considered by many a contender for the Championship because his recent hot streak?

Edit: by "guys" I don't mean OP, I mean whoever considers him/herself in the anti-Flash-hype-train

I wasn't really that much hyped about his IEM performance. He almost lost to Snute in the ro8 who isn't as good as any of the zerg players in that group.
I mean, I still predicted him to go through after soO , but he didn't look unstoppable at all with his TvZ.
Also he dropped a series to MC, whom most people say that he would be stuck in code A if he played GSL.
U must be trolling right?
I quote from the text for you
He was 65-17 from July to the end of August. 79.27% in win rate against some of the best in the world.

Did you see who he beat at IEM?
Your whole "I am not impressed" is based around the game against tha best foreigner Zerg at the moment? Snute just beat Jaedong 2-0 in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/466325-wec-2014
Jaedong may not be the best Zerg atm, but his ZvZ was always pretty good, he had winrates above 80% in that matchup a couple of months ago.
And while I was not particularly impressed by the Series vs Snute, he showed that he was clearly better.
While the 2-0 lead of snute was kinda all-inish, you also have to think of the EU players most of the time being a little bit ahead of the current meta sometimes and that Snute played a completely new style vs Flash, he may not know how to break it (yet). Even QXC admitted, that it has yet to be seen how you can break snutes lategame TvZ.
The Snute that killed CJ Entuses Hero over and over again. And many others.
So it's more impressive if you think flash managed to adapt to snutes maybe completely different to what he was used playstyle within 2 games. Also Snute played pretty aggressive, and to allins even the best players fall from time to time
Just look up who Flash beat the last couple of weeks or just at IEM, if you say you are not impressed, you are just trolling and provoking those who cheered for flash.

Which is something I don't get: being happy for "your" favorite to advance - fine. Being happy about fans of other players being sad sounds kinda stupid and childish to me
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
September 07 2014 02:06 GMT
#47
if Flash wins kespa cup is he guaranteed a spot at blizzcon or is it still uncertain?
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
September 07 2014 02:10 GMT
#48
On September 07 2014 11:06 Iodem wrote:
if Flash wins kespa cup is he guaranteed a spot at blizzcon or is it still uncertain?

still uncertain AFAIR, besides he won't win the KESPA cup.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 07 2014 02:17 GMT
#49
On September 07 2014 10:58 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 09:19 usethis2 wrote:
Geez. DRG did not go "Foreign Style ZvT" (apparently meant for his production of Swarm Hosts) Flash had one point majority of his army consisting of Thors and Hellbats, which made DRG believe Flash was switching to mech. That is why he produced Swarm Hosts. That was a misread by DRG, not him trying out a different style. (Nothing wrong with trying out different strats or Swarm Hosts, I just think that observation is wrong.)

If you watch the game you can see that he produced 12 Swarm Hosts in the mid game and never reproduced them again. He simply kept them alive for a long time.

Edit: I am talking about the game 1.


I'm not certain. We look at the way Flash has played TvZ in the last 2 weeks and we see mass bio with thor hellbat. Would DRG really think it was mech at that point despite having done enough scouting to know flash opens reaper first without scouting into cc on Merry Go Round? And doing multiple run-bys into Flash's natural and see bio units?

I don't think so. On top of that DRG is in contact with Catz as far as I know and does have a lot of respect for foreign players so he could have easily decided to pick this up and try it in g1.


Yeah I agree. That was just a standard game from FlaSh and i'm sure DRG knew it, he was just attempting the Snute style SH transition for whatever reason.

Mech seems to have pretty much died off again. Unless you're Bbyong trying it vs P.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 02:23:36
September 07 2014 02:21 GMT
#50
On September 07 2014 11:06 Iodem wrote:
if Flash wins kespa cup is he guaranteed a spot at blizzcon or is it still uncertain?


Flash is currently at 1475 WCS points. Kespa Cup offers 1500 points for 1st place.

He'd then be at 2975 which is very good considering the cutoff is around 2300 atm. No guarantee but I'd project him to be very competitive in that scenario.

WCS, DH: Moscow, Redbull Finals are out of reach for him but DH Stockholm could further change a few things provided he attends.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 02:24:23
September 07 2014 02:23 GMT
#51
On September 07 2014 11:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 11:06 Iodem wrote:
if Flash wins kespa cup is he guaranteed a spot at blizzcon or is it still uncertain?


Flash is currently at 1475 WCS points. Kespa Cup offers 1500 points for 1st place.

He'd then be at 2975 which is very good considering the cutoff is around 2300 atm.

WCS, DH: Moscow, Redbull Finals are out of reach for him but DH Stockholm could further change a few things provided he attends.


I think it's slightly less. Pretty sure I read Die4ever saying he's already been awarded 250 for the first round, so that makes it 2725.

No idea if that's enough or not. :s

On September 07 2014 08:37 Die4Ever wrote:
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On September 07 2014 08:24 GENerateSAYing wrote:
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/standings

Flash has to win? What about DH? He is currently 40th(1225) and needs to be at least 16th(2300 points atm). That means he needs 1075 points.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/KeSPA_Cup
1) 1500
2) 800
3/4) 550

So if he gets 2nd he would only need ~200. Couldn't he go to DH?

You're not taking into account that Flash already has 250 WCS Points from KeSPA Cup, so if he gets 2nd then he doesn't gain 800 points he only gains 550. So if he gets 2nd in KeSPA Cup and then goes to and wins DreamHack Stockholm then he's at 2,775 WCS Points

~ 26.36 % of the time 2,775 points is enough to qualify for Blizzcon

So yes he still has a chance if he gets 2nd at KeSPA Cup, that's why WCS Predictor gives him ~ 0.68 % chances if he gets 2nd place, because if he then goes on to win DH Stockholm he then has about 26% chances. But he isn't even confirmed to be going to DH Stockholm yet, if he confirms that he is attending then it will boost his chances on WCS Predictor.

Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 07 2014 02:27 GMT
#52
On September 07 2014 10:58 Rollora wrote:
Being happy about fans of other players being sad sounds kinda stupid and childish to me

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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
September 07 2014 02:30 GMT
#53
Big fan of Flash but he really did horrible in those games vs DRG! Poor army control, and that failed wall, geez. He'll be back for sure.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 07 2014 02:33 GMT
#54
On September 07 2014 06:45 Zealously wrote:
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On September 07 2014 06:44 REyeM wrote:
soO is a god.


He's actually the devil

nickname tryhard <3
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 07 2014 02:36 GMT
#55
On September 07 2014 11:27 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 10:58 Rollora wrote:
Being happy about fans of other players being sad sounds kinda stupid and childish to me

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The world is better when every background has a chance.
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
September 07 2014 02:42 GMT
#56
Flash =(
I was hoping he would be able to win this GSL, but I can't be sad about soO and DRG go through :D.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
September 07 2014 02:45 GMT
#57
On September 07 2014 08:20 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 07:39 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
If you're losing to DRG, you're not a worthy champion anyway. Let's hope Flash gets his shit together and stops losing to dishwashers.

This is probably just a sad attempt to troll, but just in case, you are actually serious.
DRG has a winning record vs Innovation (who is in the ro8). DRG eliminated Solar from RBBG Global. Solar is also in the GSL ro8. DRG just knocked out last seasons semi-finlaist TRUE and IEM champion Flash.

If you seriously think, DRG is a Dishwasher, you are incredibly uneducated about the game.

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Flossy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States870 Posts
September 07 2014 02:47 GMT
#58
On September 07 2014 10:58 Rollora wrote:
Being happy about fans of other players being sad sounds kinda stupid and childish to me

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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
September 07 2014 02:47 GMT
#59
On September 07 2014 10:58 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 09:19 usethis2 wrote:
Geez. DRG did not go "Foreign Style ZvT" (apparently meant for his production of Swarm Hosts) Flash had one point majority of his army consisting of Thors and Hellbats, which made DRG believe Flash was switching to mech. That is why he produced Swarm Hosts. That was a misread by DRG, not him trying out a different style. (Nothing wrong with trying out different strats or Swarm Hosts, I just think that observation is wrong.)

If you watch the game you can see that he produced 12 Swarm Hosts in the mid game and never reproduced them again. He simply kept them alive for a long time.

Edit: I am talking about the game 1.


I'm not certain. We look at the way Flash has played TvZ in the last 2 weeks and we see mass bio with thor hellbat. Would DRG really think it was mech at that point despite having done enough scouting to know flash opens reaper first without scouting into cc on Merry Go Round? And doing multiple run-bys into Flash's natural and see bio units?

I don't think so. On top of that DRG is in contact with Catz as far as I know and does have a lot of respect for foreign players so he could have easily decided to pick this up and try it in g1.

He does, probably the korean who has the most admitted respect for foreigners in general, but mainly HuK and Scarlett if I remember correctly(cause he said HuK was best foreigner and he is now 2 and 2 with scarlett the 1st 2 times at IPL 4 the 3 at an ATC Finals, Scarlett tied it up at Anaheim)
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Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
September 07 2014 02:50 GMT
#60
On September 07 2014 11:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 11:06 Iodem wrote:
if Flash wins kespa cup is he guaranteed a spot at blizzcon or is it still uncertain?


Flash is currently at 1475 WCS points. Kespa Cup offers 1500 points for 1st place.

He'd then be at 2975 which is very good considering the cutoff is around 2300 atm. No guarantee but I'd project him to be very competitive in that scenario.

WCS, DH: Moscow, Redbull Finals are out of reach for him but DH Stockholm could further change a few things provided he attends.


He can only get 1250 from kespa cup, which lands him behind jjakji and ahead of soo
Then he has to pray for a lot of players to fail hard

Winning one round in kespa cup earns you 400 points, which is enough for classic, soo, sos to overcome him
Cj hero needs 2 wins there
Then you have rain and soo still alive in the gsl
Pigbaby and violet alive in wcs am
Mma, forgg going far in wcs europe is bad to him too

Random people out of the top16 (like scarllet, innovation, liquid hero) winning season 3 also surpass him

If he really wants to secure blizzcon, he has to go to dreamhack stockholm
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