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On September 08 2014 02:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 02:14 Cheren wrote:On September 08 2014 01:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 08 2014 01:37 Cheren wrote:
everyone* who cared about watching foreigners left sc2 a long time ago, let's not kid ourselves, most of the fans left are the "watch the best games" fans, because blizzard drove everyone else away and won't get them back.
*not really everyone but you get what i mean WTB European currently has 11000 viewers with only foreigners and like a 4k prize pool. Everyone in this thread is saying shoutcraft america was a failure but it had a lot more than 11k viewers. Why the hell was it a failure then o_O? Did it have a massive prize pool or something? Or horrible games?
Shoutcraft Winter had a combination of bad games and forfiets. Demuslim forfeited against HuK after like three games due to illness, MajOr forfeited after games due to lag. And when Hitman played Scarlet he just constantly cheesed.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SHOUTcraft/Regional/America_Winter
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On September 08 2014 02:48 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 02:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 08 2014 02:14 Cheren wrote:On September 08 2014 01:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 08 2014 01:37 Cheren wrote:
everyone* who cared about watching foreigners left sc2 a long time ago, let's not kid ourselves, most of the fans left are the "watch the best games" fans, because blizzard drove everyone else away and won't get them back.
*not really everyone but you get what i mean WTB European currently has 11000 viewers with only foreigners and like a 4k prize pool. Everyone in this thread is saying shoutcraft america was a failure but it had a lot more than 11k viewers. Why the hell was it a failure then o_O? Did it have a massive prize pool or something? Or horrible games? Shoutcraft Winter had a combination of bad games and forfiets. Demuslim forfeited against HuK after like three games due to illness, MajOr forfeited after games due to lag. And when Hitman played Scarlet he just constantly cheesed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SHOUTcraft/Regional/America_Winter
There's also a whole thread on the tournament! http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/438702-shoutcraft-america-winter-post-mortem
and a quote from the article!
" Reality sets in
So there you have it. As a pure business venture, SHOUTcraft America Winter can be considered a failure. It did not provide the requisite ROI for the company providing the sponsorship. That's actually a bit of a cold hard gutpunch of reality when you think about it, a $5000 tournament did not provide enough ROI for the sponsor and if they did not believe in the concept of eSports and wanted to support it regardless, it's not likely they would attempt it again because the numbers simply were not there. "
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On September 08 2014 02:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 02:04 CruelZeratul wrote:
If SC was treated like football we wouldn't have this problem anyway, because NA/EU would produce enough players who were on the level of the koreans. I can understand Blizzards decision, but I definitely don't like it. Korean volleyball leagues has a limit of, I think, 1 foreigner per team. Korean basketball has a limit of 2 foreigners per team, and used to have a height limit (lol). Are they wrong for protecting their native talent instead of becoming an NBA-b/c league?
In my opinion, yes.
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On September 08 2014 02:48 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 02:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 08 2014 02:14 Cheren wrote:On September 08 2014 01:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 08 2014 01:37 Cheren wrote:
everyone* who cared about watching foreigners left sc2 a long time ago, let's not kid ourselves, most of the fans left are the "watch the best games" fans, because blizzard drove everyone else away and won't get them back.
*not really everyone but you get what i mean WTB European currently has 11000 viewers with only foreigners and like a 4k prize pool. Everyone in this thread is saying shoutcraft america was a failure but it had a lot more than 11k viewers. Why the hell was it a failure then o_O? Did it have a massive prize pool or something? Or horrible games? Shoutcraft Winter had a combination of bad games and forfiets. Demuslim forfeited against HuK after like three games due to illness, MajOr forfeited after games due to lag. And when Hitman played Scarlet he just constantly cheesed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SHOUTcraft/Regional/America_Winter
It basically confirmed the stereotype of the typical NA player the scene had been dragging around like a ball and chain since 2010, the unprofessional, lazy teenager who wasn't willing to buckle down and work hard. It was a really bad showing, and I don't blame TB one second for saying 'well FU too then' and going to Korea and the amazing sandisk invitational instead.
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On September 08 2014 02:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 02:04 CruelZeratul wrote:
If SC was treated like football we wouldn't have this problem anyway, because NA/EU would produce enough players who were on the level of the koreans. I can understand Blizzards decision, but I definitely don't like it. Korean volleyball leagues has a limit of, I think, 1 foreigner per team. Korean basketball has a limit of 2 foreigners per team, and used to have a height limit (lol). Are they wrong for protecting their native talent instead of becoming an NBA-b/c league?
What korean teams are trying to do here is to get create a fair competition between the teams. This type of fair competition is completley irrelevant in Sc2 as fans do not want to see the closest games between mediocore foreign players, but rather the highest quality game level possible. There are very few exceptions to this rule, and that's when heavily branded/well-known foreigners participate. However, these well-branded foreigners didn't rise to popularity because they were given a chance to stabilize them selves in a locally protected league. Rather, they became something due to what they did or said in the community.
Thus, the advantage of "protecting foreigners" here is basically nonexistant, and comparing team-games here to indiviudal games is comparing apples to oranges.
Also note there is a very high difference between what fans think they want (such as watching the 30th best foreigner vs the 31th best) and what they actually end up watching (they rather watch a decent Korean vs a top 10 foreigner).
People voted yes due to "political propaganda", lol. Brain washing now part of Esports.
Well, I called it proparaganda because when foreign teams go out and tell the fans about all the advantages of locking the region, there is no discussion of the disadvantages. Thus, the facts are presented selectively. As I see it, it's not a win/win here, but it's some (foreign) players benfiting at the expense of some koreans.
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Would love to hear more opinions of pro players about it. The Acer article had only a few. Anyone working on this?
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On September 08 2014 02:57 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 02:48 AWalker9 wrote:On September 08 2014 02:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 08 2014 02:14 Cheren wrote:On September 08 2014 01:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 08 2014 01:37 Cheren wrote:
everyone* who cared about watching foreigners left sc2 a long time ago, let's not kid ourselves, most of the fans left are the "watch the best games" fans, because blizzard drove everyone else away and won't get them back.
*not really everyone but you get what i mean WTB European currently has 11000 viewers with only foreigners and like a 4k prize pool. Everyone in this thread is saying shoutcraft america was a failure but it had a lot more than 11k viewers. Why the hell was it a failure then o_O? Did it have a massive prize pool or something? Or horrible games? Shoutcraft Winter had a combination of bad games and forfiets. Demuslim forfeited against HuK after like three games due to illness, MajOr forfeited after games due to lag. And when Hitman played Scarlet he just constantly cheesed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SHOUTcraft/Regional/America_Winter It basically confirmed the stereotype of the typical NA player the scene had been dragging around like a ball and chain since 2010, the unprofessional, lazy teenager who wasn't willing to buckle down and work hard. It was a really bad showing, and I don't blame TB one second for saying 'well FU too then' and going to Korea and the amazing sandisk invitational instead.
To be fair to TB, that event was a snow storm of bad luck and other bullshit. The issues with Major and Demuslim getting the flu really messed up the event. I don't think that is going to happen in every event(well maybe Major being a child, but people should just expect and ban him if they don't want to risk it) There are other good NA players like Suppy and Xenocider, but those guys only get to compete in WCS right now and maybe some smaller cups.
On September 08 2014 02:59 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 02:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 08 2014 02:04 CruelZeratul wrote:
If SC was treated like football we wouldn't have this problem anyway, because NA/EU would produce enough players who were on the level of the koreans. I can understand Blizzards decision, but I definitely don't like it. Korean volleyball leagues has a limit of, I think, 1 foreigner per team. Korean basketball has a limit of 2 foreigners per team, and used to have a height limit (lol). Are they wrong for protecting their native talent instead of becoming an NBA-b/c league? What korean teams are trying to do here is to get create a fair competition between the teams. This type of fair competition is completley irrelevant in Sc2 as fans do not want to see the closest games between mediocore foreign players, but rather the highest quality game level possible. There are very few exceptions to this rule, and that's when heavily branded/well-known foreigners participate. However, these well-branded foreigners didn't rise to popularity because they were given a chance to stabilize them selves in a locally protected league. Rather, they became something due to what they did or said in the community. Thus, the advantage of "protecting foreigners" here is basically nonexistant, and comparing team-games here to indiviudal games is comparing apples to oranges. Also note there is a very high difference between what fans think they want (such as watching the 30th best foreigner vs the 31th best) and what they actually end up watching (they rather watch a decent Korean vs a top 10 foreigner). Show nested quote +People voted yes due to "political propaganda", lol. Brain washing now part of Esports. Well yes, it has been propaganda becasue when foreign teams go out and tell the fans about all the advantages of locking the region, there is no discussion about the disadvantages. Thus, it's a presentation of selection of facts. There is no win/win here, but it's some (foreign) players benfiting at the expense of some koreans.
Exactly, people select the facts they want to believe and ignore that which they don't. You can't accuse one side of it without also being guilty of it. Unless your argument hinges on the idea that you are so much smarter than everyone else.
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Exactly, people select the facts they want to believe and ignore that which they don't. You can't accuse one side of it without also being guilty of it. Unless your argument hinges on the idea that you are so much smarter than everyone else.
Well two things are different for me here:
(1) I have nothing to gain here unlike the foreign teams.
(2) I did present the arguments by the foreign teams and discussed why they do not make sense today. Whether you believe these arguments are correct is a different matter.
That said, it probably made more sense to call it some form of lobbyism. Btw, I don't meant to imply that what Catz did what amoral or anything, but rather, my point is that this is likely what explains why people believe the new WCS-system is good.
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On September 08 2014 03:02 SinCitta wrote:
Would love to hear more opinions of pro players about it. The Acer article had only a few. Anyone working on this?
Yes
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So, basically, 1 unsuccessful shoutcraft tournament is supposed to trump all of the successful ones. Even though the players causing a "problem" were the few foreigners that didn't need extra help/tournaments to begin with. After seeing the numbers for shoutcraft and then seeing the numbers for WCS NA (full of Koreans), I have no idea how anyone can make the argument that people care about second rate Koreans. Pound for pound, skill for skill, the foreigner always gets more views.
And that's without having tournaments that reflect anything else in real life.. SC 2 doesn't incentivize anyone to play it. You have to wonder how nerdy SC 2 really is and if anyone has actually ever watched a "real sport." People have this mentality of if you're not the best, then you're the worst and you deserve nothing. So, you see the same 16 people at every tournament and everyone else isn't worth anything. But, think about it...
A football (America) team has 53 players on their roster. Most sports have around 25 players per team, with around 30 teams in the league, and each player is "set for life."
If you're playing an esport that is super top heavy, then you should be working a job/going to school, unless you're a handful of people. In such an environment, why would anyone become good or even want to try? As soon as you "fall out of the top 16," you're screwed.
If Idra were a top 20 player in the US and he had the biggest fan base, you really have to ask yourself, at what point does being extremely elitist (O, I only care about the absolute best. Only let him qualify) become sheer stupidity? At what profession/field can you be top 20 in the US and have to worry about even being able to make a dime? If there is one, it should be close to dead. And, that's exactly what SC 2 is.
People have to exercise some common sense, as it just might help the scene grow. If our most popular players would be well off any other field if they were in the top 30 and no one would consider them "bad/horrible, etc, just because they're not the best," then give them a god damn shot to qualify for something. Jesus. If you allow this, then, guess what, more people tune in, thus the best of the best benefit too since there is more sponsorship money.
I hate the SC 2 scene because it feels like no one has ever watched a sport before, yet everyone is so keen on making it one.
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I'm thinking along the lines of puCK, Major, Petraeus (plays WCS AM), Masa. Could throw in State there as well, and I'm sure there are others - I don't follow the American scene as closely as I do the Korean, but I think American players performing better has been a visible trend lately. Do you disagree?
I think the current WCS system has helped the top 10-15 best foreigners in making the next step as they now are playing more actively against Koreans. Previoously it seemed that foreign players could only beat (B-team) Koreans under the patch-zerg era (or when Stephano was at his heighest). Today, we havel ike 10-15 foreigners that consistently can go toe-to-toe with solid Koreans (defined as thus I would rank around top 10-50 in the world)
With more money going into the foreign scene and less to the korean scene, I believe the amount of B-level korean players will drop, while the difference between the 5th best and 30th best foreigner will even out.
In my opinion, I prefer the current system over the new one. I think the issue with the old one was that Kespa Koreans just got screwed in terms of WCS points, but I thought the system of having players such as Polt, Violet, Jaedong, MMA etc. battling out against the best foreigners is really important. Having a decent mix between koreans and foreigners seems optimal me. Only (or like 90%+) foreigners will just result in a too low level of quality for my taste, and given my observations of what viewers actually watch, I think they by their actions agree with me.
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On September 08 2014 03:11 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +Exactly, people select the facts they want to believe and ignore that which they don't. You can't accuse one side of it without also being guilty of it. Unless your argument hinges on the idea that you are so much smarter than everyone else. Well two things are different for me here: (1) I have nothing to gain here unlike foreign teams. (2) I did present the arguments by the foreign teams and discussed why they do not make sense today. Whether you believe these arguments are correct is a different matter. That said, it probably made more sense to call it some form of lobbyism.
People are going to present the strongest possible arguments for things that benefit them, that has always been that way. And to claim non-bias is silly. No one is truly objective, no matter what people say. You can only attempt to be objective and hope you succeed.
The problem with this thread is that the majority of people arguing against the region locking just want to see more Korean players play. The people who are for region locking are doing the same thing. The only issue a couple people on the side of seeing more Korean's play in all regions are using declarative statements like "No one wants to see low quality foreigners play" as if they were fact. As if they can see into the future and tell the quality of the games that are going to happen 7 months from now.
But yes, the argument that: "Shitty players will lead to shitty games" still holds true. And if you assume that the games between the players that qualify for WCS NA will be shitty because they are from NA, then the game will be crap. But that is assuming that none of the good NA players make it through and none of them provide for quality games.
Which is assuming a lot.
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On September 08 2014 03:15 playa wrote:
So, basically, 1 unsuccessful shoutcraft tournament is supposed to trump all of the successful ones. Even though the players causing a "problem" were the few foreigners that didn't need extra help/tournaments to begin with. After seeing the numbers for shoutcraft and then seeing the numbers for WCS NA (full of Koreans), I have no idea how anyone can make the argument that people care about second rate Koreans. Pound for pound, skill for skill, the foreigner always gets more views.
The first Shoutcraft AM was successful because it was a PR campaign and TB/Genna were saving the NA scene, the timing on the event was perfect to create high viewership and lots of support. It was announced shortly after the beginning of the non-region locked WCS AM. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/409401-shoutcraft-america-announced?page=2#38
They tried running the same style of tournament 7 months later after the hype had faded and it failed, why do you think it failed? It was a gimmick event, not something that can sustain the same high viewership time after time. WCS 2015 will have the same fate, the hype for the first season will be high, then the viewership will plummet over the course of the rest of the year.
As for your second point, the highest viewership will always come from the clash of the KR vs foreign titans. Stephano vs Mvp, Naniwa vs Innovation, Snute vs Flash, etc. Not foreign players vs foreign players.
Might as well bring this up too, the Sandisk Invitational(All KR players) broke the viewership records for every Shoutcraft event.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/458859-sandisk-shoutcraft-invitational-post-mortem
" The Sandisk SHOUTcraft Invitational broke our records, simple as that. "
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If Idra were a top 20 player in the US and he had the biggest fan base, you really have to ask yourself, at what point does being extremely elitist (O, I only care about the absolute best. Only let him qualify) become sheer stupidity? At what profession/field can you be top 20 in the US and have to worry about even being able to make a dime? If there is one, it should be close to dead. And, that's exactly what SC 2 is.
People have to exercise some common sense, as it just might help the scene grow. If our most popular players would be well off any other field if they were in the top 30 and no one would consider them "bad/horrible, etc, just because they're not the best," then give them a god !@#$%^&* shot to qualify for something. Jesus. If you allow this, then, guess what, more people tune in, thus the best of the best benefit too since there is more sponsorship money.
I hate the SC 2 scene because it feels like no one has ever watched a sport before, yet everyone is so keen on making it one.
Well if your opinion is that you want the foreign scene to grow at the expense of the Korean scene, I guess that's fine. However, all your doing here is to say that giving more money to the foreign scene would incentivie more people to go pro. But that's not an argument in favor of what is the "best" for the total scene.
After seeing the numbers for shoutcraft and then seeing the numbers for WCS NA (full of Koreans), I have no idea how anyone can make the argument that people care about second rate Koreans. Pound for pound, skill for skill, the foreigner always gets more views.
What are the corresponding numbers from watching players such as Tefel, Miniraiser, Livezerg, Ret, Hope, Strelok, Sjaak and Socke battling it out against each other?
Why I bring up these numbers? Well, those are the the foreign players ranked 54th-59th according to Aliguac, and chances are you are gonna see alot more of those guys over the WCS NA Koreans that gather still gather in 10K+ viewer numbers.
My bet is that people still prefer watching a B-level Korean vs someone like TLO, Kane and Supply (who are top 30 foreigners). And I think if you look at the viewer numbers for medicore foreign players, you will find support in that argument
As for your second point, the highest viewership will always come from the clash of the KR vs foreign titans. Stephano vs Mvp, Naniwa vs Innovation, Snute vs Flash, etc. Not foreign players vs foreign players.
Well, I agree (ofc), but I think having the very very best foreigners (top 5) vs each-other can also generate really solid viewer numbers. But I get the impression that most people in favor of the region lock just imagines that all games are gonna be like Bunny vs Snute, Major vs Scarlett etc, while in reality - most games will invlve much lesser known and (worse) players. By keeping the decent koreans in WCS EU and WCS NA you will continue to have clashes between the best foreigners but on top of that you will also have clashes betwene the best foreigners and the Koreans.
Summary
- In the current WCS system, the best koreans still stay in Korea where they battle it out against each other.
- The next-best Koreans (excl Taeja) go to EU/NA
- The next-best koreans battle it out quite evenly against the very best foreigners
- This increases the overall skill-level in the region and also increases the skill-level of the foreigners as they get better practice
- The foreigners outside of top30 earns less money than what they otherwise would, and thus are more likely to retire. That differs from the new system where foreigners around top 30-60 are less likely to retire, but the B-level Koreans are more likely to retire instead.
- If the best foreigners are succesful enough against the B-level koreans, they can in theory get the shot against the very best Koreans at the global WCS tournament.
- With region lock, foreigners wouldn't play against evenly B-level koreans in the normal tournament, but rather they would only play against the very best Koreans at the global WCS tournament.
- This doesn't make sense logically - Why wouldn't you prefer trying to match the best foreigners against Koreans of a more even skill level(?) There is no idea of watching a foreigner playing against a Korean where you know he will get raped, but if he has a decent shot at winning it actually becomes interesting (for instance Snute vs Flash was interesting, but Livezerg vs Flash would probably be less interesting).
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I just think the perspective in SC 2 is horrible. Everyone goes crazy over casters. O, they're so good. So worthy. When, you really think about it... how many people even actually try to cast in SC 2? Is the number even 20? There's so few that it's near impossible to tell who is actually good or vice versa since the sample size is 0. Yet, if you were to be the 20th ranked player in the US out of a lot of people, in comparison, then everyone would treat you like you were scum.
There's no environment in NA where it makes sense for players to be playing as much as the Koreans. It's impossible to think that the best NA players are necessarily the most talented due to how little incentive there is for anyone to play. Right now, the biggest incentive for playing is so you can become a caster, lol. It's sad.
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Blizzard officially declares WCS EU and NA completely irrelevant. I really wonder if this decision was made based on some internal evaluation of benefits, or if it is another misguided attempt to "listen to the community" (similar to the strategy of nerfing things people cry about the loudest).
Can we at least finally get a GSL rebroadcast in EU evening so that there is something relevant to watch before sleep on weekdays?
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On September 08 2014 03:45 playa wrote:
I just think the perspective in SC 2 is horrible. Everyone goes crazy over casters. O, they're so good. So worthy. When, you really think about it... how many people even actually try to cast in SC 2? Is the number even 20? There's so few that it's near impossible to tell who is actually good or vice versa since the sample size is 0. Yet, if you were to be the 20th ranked player in the US out of a lot of people, in comparison, then everyone would treat you like you were scum.
There's no environment in NA where it makes sense for players to be playing as much as the Koreans. It's impossible to think that the best NA players are necessarily the most talented due to how little incentive there is for anyone to play. Right now, the biggest incentive for playing is so you can become a caster, lol. It's sad.
Yeah, its not like any other major Esport is worried about that issue right now and that highly skilled players from a specific region will smother the other regions with talent and kill the drive of local players to try out. Its not like any other major Esport just instated a region locking rule to make sure that doesn't happen.
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On September 08 2014 03:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 03:45 playa wrote:
I just think the perspective in SC 2 is horrible. Everyone goes crazy over casters. O, they're so good. So worthy. When, you really think about it... how many people even actually try to cast in SC 2? Is the number even 20? There's so few that it's near impossible to tell who is actually good or vice versa since the sample size is 0. Yet, if you were to be the 20th ranked player in the US out of a lot of people, in comparison, then everyone would treat you like you were scum.
There's no environment in NA where it makes sense for players to be playing as much as the Koreans. It's impossible to think that the best NA players are necessarily the most talented due to how little incentive there is for anyone to play. Right now, the biggest incentive for playing is so you can become a caster, lol. It's sad. Yeah, its not like any other major Esport is worried about that issue right now and that highly skilled players from a specific region will smother the other regions with talent and kill the drive of local players to try out. Its not like any other major Esport just instated a region locking rule to make sure that doesn't happen.
Which game are you talking about? I'm only following SC2 and DotA 2 (with the later having a pretty competitive non-asian community).
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On September 08 2014 03:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 03:45 playa wrote:
I just think the perspective in SC 2 is horrible. Everyone goes crazy over casters. O, they're so good. So worthy. When, you really think about it... how many people even actually try to cast in SC 2? Is the number even 20? There's so few that it's near impossible to tell who is actually good or vice versa since the sample size is 0. Yet, if you were to be the 20th ranked player in the US out of a lot of people, in comparison, then everyone would treat you like you were scum.
There's no environment in NA where it makes sense for players to be playing as much as the Koreans. It's impossible to think that the best NA players are necessarily the most talented due to how little incentive there is for anyone to play. Right now, the biggest incentive for playing is so you can become a caster, lol. It's sad. Yeah, its not like any other major Esport is worried about that issue right now and that highly skilled players from a specific region will smother the other regions with talent and kill the drive of local players to try out. Its not like any other major Esport just instated a region locking rule to make sure that doesn't happen.
As someone who only follows SC2 would you mind elaborating?
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On September 08 2014 04:00 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 03:48 Plansix wrote:On September 08 2014 03:45 playa wrote:
I just think the perspective in SC 2 is horrible. Everyone goes crazy over casters. O, they're so good. So worthy. When, you really think about it... how many people even actually try to cast in SC 2? Is the number even 20? There's so few that it's near impossible to tell who is actually good or vice versa since the sample size is 0. Yet, if you were to be the 20th ranked player in the US out of a lot of people, in comparison, then everyone would treat you like you were scum.
There's no environment in NA where it makes sense for players to be playing as much as the Koreans. It's impossible to think that the best NA players are necessarily the most talented due to how little incentive there is for anyone to play. Right now, the biggest incentive for playing is so you can become a caster, lol. It's sad. Yeah, its not like any other major Esport is worried about that issue right now and that highly skilled players from a specific region will smother the other regions with talent and kill the drive of local players to try out. Its not like any other major Esport just instated a region locking rule to make sure that doesn't happen. Which game are you talking about? I'm only following SC2 and DotA 2 (with the later having a pretty competitive non-asian community).
League of Legends just instuted a similar policy(limiting the number of "non-regional" players on each team to two) to avoid the whole "b-teamer" invasion issue. Dota 2 doesn't have the problem that SC2 or League has, so there is no need for the rule. But in Dota 2, the teams play against eachother all time for all regions, unlike SC2 and League.
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