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WCS AM will continue to include LatAm, Oceania/SEA, CN, and TW/HK/Macau, you can all stop freaking out about it. | ||
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CmdBash
Australia38 Posts
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
Full region lock: it's a little more extreme than I had thought but I think it's a fair way of going about things. Of course this might spell disaster for any Korean that's not in KeSPA, but frankly I think I'd rather like to see players who can consistently do well in GSL at Blizzcon. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On September 06 2014 15:06 dyDrawer wrote: WCS Reset: I don't think resetting GSL is a good idea. Blizzard should learn its lesson: DON'T TAMPER WITH GSL. It's not broken, don't fix it. Full region lock: it's a little more extreme than I had thought but I think it's a fair way of going about things. Of course this might spell disaster for any Korean that's not in KeSPA, but frankly I think I'd rather like to see players who can consistently do well in GSL at Blizzcon. players who can consistently do well in GSL and region lock protected foreigner punching bags at blizzcon | ||
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Khai
Australia553 Posts
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
On September 06 2014 15:19 Khai wrote: Will boycot Blizzard products if they tamper with the GSL, no reset tyvm. GSL isn't a WCS event, it's a tournament that provides WCS points. | ||
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
On September 06 2014 08:45 calh wrote: This might just make the skill gap a little bit smaller - by stagnating the Korean scene. Yeah, lets pool all the best players togheter and have to other region fill up with mediocre players. That'll close the skill gap. lol. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 06 2014 05:15 sharkie wrote: Well you say Blizzard is bullying Koreans but these changes won't affect MC and co. at all. So are they not Koreans? I'm talking about the Axiom boys, not the Koreans who are obviously going to be unaffected by these changes because they have visas. | ||
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nigsky
United Kingdom114 Posts
On September 06 2014 14:07 yido wrote: I guess all the "grow domestic talent" crowd got their wish. Have fun "relating" to the new "talent" and keep telling yourself that you like them because of the "personality" not skin color. You're a moron. Do you really think NA fans like Desrow and Minigun more than they like Jaedong and Flash? Do you think the people in my city are racist for supporting Nottingham clubs rather than Real Madrid and Barcelona? Do you even realize that half of the best NA players aren't even white? Maj0r is hispanic. So is Arium. Illusion and Suppy are Asian. Because AMERICAN IS A NATIONALITY NOT AN ETHNICITY FKN TARD. Consider not talking for a few months. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18774 Posts
On September 06 2014 16:41 Incognoto wrote: I'm talking about the Axiom boys, not the Koreans who are obviously going to be unaffected by these changes because they have visas. So Blizzard has only made these changes to kick out the Axiom players? I think you have seen too many conspiracy movies | ||
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Nightwishone
Italy391 Posts
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
I cant wait about KR and EU! Like Harstem said: You dont improve vs Koreans by playing in tournaments. Ladder/practice against koreans is the key. Maybe Blizzard should reconsider GM: If you are in GM you can meet other GM players from other regions (at ladder). | ||
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
what we will see in future. what germans know back from eps days. you will have at start all motivated. than after 3 weeks wcs people will see if they have a chance to get to finals. if not they will just care that they dont drop. game quality will shrink rapidly. the majority will just be like this "i could work hard or well no the money i make with just staying at my position is good enough for me. lets see how much i need to practise to stay in my comfort money zone". | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On September 06 2014 15:10 Darkhorse wrote: players who can consistently do well in GSL and region lock protected foreigner punching bags at blizzcon If you change the first part to: B-level Koreans who get invited to everything, and rack up obscene amounts of points beating other B-level Koreans and foreigners, you'd have it about right. I have no idea where this delusion that the current WCS system is some kind of pristine meritocracy comes from. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 06 2014 18:01 sharkie wrote: So Blizzard has only made these changes to kick out the Axiom players? I think you have seen too many conspiracy movies Blizzard has made these changes to stem the amount of Koreans playing in WCS AM / EU. These changes also make it more difficult for Koreans to enter WCS AM / EU. The only reason for these changes is because Koreans are better than foreigners. You're absolutely refusing to understand why these changes have unbearable consequences. There are pros and cons for these changes. The cons, in my eyes, far out-weight the pros and unless I'm mistaken Blizzard hasn't even justified the reasoning for these changes. Let me say it once more. The reason that Blizzard went through with these changes is that Koreans are legitimately too good compared to foreigners. That's a fucking shitty reason to go through with these changes. I have yet to see any argument that would justify these changes, whereas I'm writing paragraphs as to why this is fucking stupid. Again: - Blocking the participation of a certain group of players because they are legitimately better than the rest of the players is stupid. - Already, a number of Koreans are established in WCS AM / EU. They qualified for those spots fair and square. A sudden, arbitrary, change of the rules means that a good portion of these established Koreigners are pretty much kicked out of WCS AM / EU. On the grounds that they're too good compared to foreigners. - An entire team, namely Axiom, has just received a huge slap in the face thanks to these changes. Why would you go through with an arbitrary change so suddenly, without warning and risk forcing the retirement of a number of legitimately good Korean players? We're looking at Axiom's roster, players like Pigbaby, Revival and so on? They're risking to be forced into retirement, so that bad players like Desrow are allowed to be "pro"-gamers? Are bad players and ladder warriors somehow more entitled to be a pro-gamer than Koreigners, who took the time to work on their play to become as good as they are? See the first two points: Koreans are being penalized because they're good at the game. - Was WCS EU / AM not already a success? Why fix something that isn't broken? Didn't they regularly obtain a large amount of viewers? Were they not a success? Didn't the influx of strong players from Korea revive interest in the American scene? It was completely stagnating before WCS AM came to America, supplemented with strong Korean players. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/465363-the-global-experiment-2-years-later#TLStrategybody - The Korean scene is stagnating because there are too many good players to go around. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to force Koreans to play only in Korea, it's only going to make the scene in Korea even more stuffy. This is detrimental to the Korean scene and as such, this is detrimental to Starcraft. Furthermore, it's also detrimental to EU / AM, since the level of play of those regions (and the ladders as well) will go down. This means that you're increasing the gap between foreigners and Koreans, which is detrimental to international Starcraft. Snute vs Flash at Toronto is an example of how beneficial strong foreigners can be to the international scene. Koreans help that scene flourish. The only thing that Blizzard could do that would make sense with these proposed changes is giving a metric-fuck-ton of help to players who need to obtain visas. This can be done in coordination with teams for example. I don't know the details. However if Blizzard is going to go through with this, they need to help with the visas and not just block out a certain group of players arbitrarily because they're good. The other good thing that Blizzard could do is help sustain the Korean scene, which isn't strong enough to support all the excellent players they currently have. GSL is amazing but it's too stacked to support anyone but the very, very best. Why don't we have a Dreamhack or IEM equivalent in Seoul? Looking at things objectively, thinking things through, it seems painfully obviously to me that the cons of these changes far out-weigh the pros. I'm sorry to have called you a warthog before, yet I'm writing paragraphs to explain myself whereas you're writing snarky two-liners. I just feel like this is a topic that deserves a lot of discussion since the impact of these changes are going to be huge, whether they're good or bad. Blizzard still hasn't talked about the reasoning behind these changes, unfortunately. Arbitrary changes without strong rational reasoning behind it is bad. | ||
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
Arbitrary changes without strong rational reasoning behind it is bad. usa in a nutshell right  | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 06 2014 14:13 CmdBash wrote: so much speculation in this thread when barely any info has been released lol. The words "residency requirement" aren't too open to interpretation | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 06 2014 15:06 dyDrawer wrote: WCS Reset: I don't think resetting GSL is a good idea. Blizzard should learn its lesson: DON'T TAMPER WITH GSL. It's not broken, don't fix it. Full region lock: it's a little more extreme than I had thought but I think it's a fair way of going about things. Of course this might spell disaster for any Korean that's not in KeSPA, but frankly I think I'd rather like to see players who can consistently do well in GSL at Blizzcon. I've been curious about this by the way. GSL isn't really a WCS event is it? It's a tournament that offers WCS points, so the WCS reset doesn't affect the GSL, does it? You can still drop from Code S to out of the GSL in one season either way, as far as I know? | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 06 2014 20:27 Incognoto wrote: I've been curious about this by the way. GSL isn't really a WCS event is it? It's a tournament that offers WCS points, so the WCS reset doesn't affect the GSL, does it? You can still drop from Code S to out of the GSL in one season either way, as far as I know? According to Liquipedia: The 2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3 is the Korean event of the third season of the 2014 WCS I think in the eyes of Blizzard, GSL is still a WCS event. I'm pretty sure that if the reset goes through in America and Europe, it will go through in Korea as well. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
GSL is part of WCS and is not a WCS Global event | ||
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