• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:29
CET 09:29
KST 17:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!42$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1080 users

Upcoming Changes to WCS 2015 - Page 49

Forum Index > SC2 General
1282 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 47 48 49 50 51 65 Next
WCS AM will continue to include LatAm, Oceania/SEA, CN, and TW/HK/Macau, you can all stop freaking out about it.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
September 05 2014 23:54 GMT
#961
On September 06 2014 08:45 calh wrote:
This might just make the skill gap a little bit smaller - by stagnating the Korean scene.

TIL, having all the best players in one place stagnates a scene.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
September 06 2014 00:16 GMT
#962
great news, this will mix things up
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 00:42:00
September 06 2014 00:34 GMT
#963
On September 05 2014 10:03 Pent217 wrote:
Polt's probably pretty happy with this decision, basically just handing him the WCS AM titles for the next year


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Polt say that he was going to move back to Korea soon? It was in an interview at Red Bull he said that he was going to move back or move on or something. The only thing I can recall is Polt saying he wanted to win really badly because it was going to be one of his last.

Oh, if this is a full region lock, I predict a huge dive in viewership for WCS NA. EU won't be effected as much since a lot of Koreans are actually living there. I believe MC, Yoda and First are living together? Not sure about the rest of the Koreans, but a few of the others probably live somewhere close to the venue

Wait, new thought. Who's going to be taking over WCS America? Aren't the WCS EU guys taking over for WCS NA at the moment?
There is no victory without the blessing of god, and there is no god but Madlife.
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
September 06 2014 00:35 GMT
#964
Now the only region worth watching will be korea. If the other regions have 2 koreans in the finals, and that's more than likely, those games will be the only worthwile games of the whole season for america and europe. Good job blizzard, good job.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
September 06 2014 00:41 GMT
#965
On September 05 2014 10:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 09:59 Tanzklaue wrote:
just as foreigners finally started to catch up to top koreans \:D/

i will probably be alone, but this is bad for the skill levels of WCS europe and america. welp, at least foreigners can feel important again when they win meaningless koreanless tournaments.


I kind of agree, this neuters the foreign scene a bit. Koreans competeing everywhere was helpful for foreigners and now we won't have that.

For the european scene most of the top koreans there actually live there already (MC Yoda First Stardust etc.) so it shouldn't be a big deal
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
September 06 2014 00:48 GMT
#966
On September 06 2014 08:28 Ammanas wrote:
Let's actually see what this 'drama' is all about.
Here is the list of all WCS EU Korean players:

+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Patience
(T)MMA
(T)Mvp
(T)jjakji
(Z)Sacsri
(P)San
(P)First
(P)StarDust
(P)MC
(T)YoDa
(T)ForGG
(Z)Golden


Out of all these players, here are players that will probably be largely unaffected (due to already living in the region):

+ Show Spoiler +
(T)MMA
(T)jjakji
(Z)Sacsri
(P)First
(P)StarDust
(P)MC
(T)YoDa
(T)ForGG


Leaving us with (P)Patience, (P)San, (T)Mvp and (Z)Golden. Out of these players, I am not really sure about Patience and Golden, maybe someone knows more but I don't think they currently live in Europe. Mvp lives in Korea, but GEM house is probably there for him if he wants to. San is on Taiwanese team, so depending on where he will live and how exactly the rules will be, he probably could get into WCS NA through Taiwanese qualifiers. So at worst, WCS EU will lose 4 KR players.


AFAIK, Patience and Golden live in Germany.
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 06 2014 00:50 GMT
#967
On September 06 2014 09:48 Darkdwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 08:28 Ammanas wrote:
Let's actually see what this 'drama' is all about.
Here is the list of all WCS EU Korean players:

+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Patience
(T)MMA
(T)Mvp
(T)jjakji
(Z)Sacsri
(P)San
(P)First
(P)StarDust
(P)MC
(T)YoDa
(T)ForGG
(Z)Golden


Out of all these players, here are players that will probably be largely unaffected (due to already living in the region):

+ Show Spoiler +
(T)MMA
(T)jjakji
(Z)Sacsri
(P)First
(P)StarDust
(P)MC
(T)YoDa
(T)ForGG


Leaving us with (P)Patience, (P)San, (T)Mvp and (Z)Golden. Out of these players, I am not really sure about Patience and Golden, maybe someone knows more but I don't think they currently live in Europe. Mvp lives in Korea, but GEM house is probably there for him if he wants to. San is on Taiwanese team, so depending on where he will live and how exactly the rules will be, he probably could get into WCS NA through Taiwanese qualifiers. So at worst, WCS EU will lose 4 KR players.


AFAIK, Patience and Golden live in Germany.

Pretty sure they do, but Golden is also retiring to go to the military in December I'm pretty sure
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
September 06 2014 01:01 GMT
#968
I think the real problem is that Blizzard's flip-flopping over WCS without actually supporting both the Korean scene and the foreign scene. When Blizz opened up the floodgates for Koreans to go abroad, Koreans got a lot of the loot, while many foreigners got the shaft. NA got it worst with all of the WCS failings and a relative lack of competitive market there. Now Blizz is going full region lock and it's going to crush the Koreans who went abroad, and possibly Koreans at home, because they're squeezing so many players into such a small competitive scene (with the almost sole exception of Proleague).

Blizzard needs to give WCS a focus: is it for the best or is it going to be representative? They need to cement their intent and then provide the resources to support the other half. Only then will WCS have any hope of encompassing both of those qualities. What Blizzard is doing now will only result in players floating around, some retiring, and teams disbanding.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 01:14:41
September 06 2014 01:14 GMT
#969
On September 06 2014 09:50 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 09:48 Darkdwarf wrote:
On September 06 2014 08:28 Ammanas wrote:
Let's actually see what this 'drama' is all about.
Here is the list of all WCS EU Korean players:

+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Patience
(T)MMA
(T)Mvp
(T)jjakji
(Z)Sacsri
(P)San
(P)First
(P)StarDust
(P)MC
(T)YoDa
(T)ForGG
(Z)Golden


Out of all these players, here are players that will probably be largely unaffected (due to already living in the region):

+ Show Spoiler +
(T)MMA
(T)jjakji
(Z)Sacsri
(P)First
(P)StarDust
(P)MC
(T)YoDa
(T)ForGG


Leaving us with (P)Patience, (P)San, (T)Mvp and (Z)Golden. Out of these players, I am not really sure about Patience and Golden, maybe someone knows more but I don't think they currently live in Europe. Mvp lives in Korea, but GEM house is probably there for him if he wants to. San is on Taiwanese team, so depending on where he will live and how exactly the rules will be, he probably could get into WCS NA through Taiwanese qualifiers. So at worst, WCS EU will lose 4 KR players.


AFAIK, Patience and Golden live in Germany.

Pretty sure they do, but Golden is also retiring to go to the military in December I'm pretty sure


Yeah he's leaving for the military after Blizzcon I think.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
Aeceus
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1278 Posts
September 06 2014 01:37 GMT
#970
I like the plans apart from all requalifying. Top 8 in current GSL should be in next GSL.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
September 06 2014 01:51 GMT
#971
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Paukum
Profile Joined August 2014
Norway60 Posts
September 06 2014 01:59 GMT
#972
Did not read all of the previous comments, but I really, really miss the global finals of 2013. I know they removed them because they supposedly overshadowed the regional champions, but I think the relative obscurity of the latter was more a result of the whole wcs dominion than of the global finals. I really cannot see that the regional champions this year has got more repect from the lack of global finals. And the hype level of the global finals was beyond ...
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
September 06 2014 02:07 GMT
#973
On September 06 2014 09:34 astray71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 10:03 Pent217 wrote:
Polt's probably pretty happy with this decision, basically just handing him the WCS AM titles for the next year


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Polt say that he was going to move back to Korea soon? It was in an interview at Red Bull he said that he was going to move back or move on or something. The only thing I can recall is Polt saying he wanted to win really badly because it was going to be one of his last.

Oh, if this is a full region lock, I predict a huge dive in viewership for WCS NA. EU won't be effected as much since a lot of Koreans are actually living there. I believe MC, Yoda and First are living together? Not sure about the rest of the Koreans, but a few of the others probably live somewhere close to the venue

Wait, new thought. Who's going to be taking over WCS America? Aren't the WCS EU guys taking over for WCS NA at the moment?


Polt never said he was going to move back to Korea.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 06 2014 02:08 GMT
#974
On September 06 2014 10:51 Ammanas wrote:
https://twitter.com/nathaniastv/status/508068449843937280

Just saw that as well. Gimme back Goswser. AND KIWIKAKI !!
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2014 02:45 GMT
#975
Oh wow. Tough decision.We'll see how it goes..
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 03:39:55
September 06 2014 03:38 GMT
#976
// WCS Reset
For WCS 2015 we will be resetting all points, Challenger, and Premier slots. All players will be required to participate in their respective regional qualifiers to be a part of WCS 2015 Season 1. //

Just no.

Waste of time and a kick in the face of players who earnt their spot in the previous season. So what if happens to be a 'new year', it is the next season.
*burp*
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
September 06 2014 03:57 GMT
#977
On September 06 2014 10:37 Aeceus wrote:
I like the plans apart from all requalifying. Top 8 in current GSL should be in next GSL.

That does suck, might take a few seasons before we see it as stacked as it is now.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
September 06 2014 04:05 GMT
#978
On September 06 2014 08:54 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 08:45 calh wrote:
This might just make the skill gap a little bit smaller - by stagnating the Korean scene.

TIL, having all the best players in one place stagnates a scene.

Initially it makes for higher skill but if the money pool isn't enough to support the 2nd tier of players there will hardly be any chances for new talents to rise, not to mention migration to MOBAs.
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
September 06 2014 04:06 GMT
#979
Thumbs down. This will only make life tougher for the Korean ex-pats trying to stay competitive while rewarding weaker foreign scenes (particularly NA).
Vector locked in.
yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
September 06 2014 05:07 GMT
#980
I guess all the "grow domestic talent" crowd got their wish.
Have fun "relating" to the new "talent" and keep telling yourself that you like them because of the "personality" not skin color.

Everyone should be valued based on their skill and dedication in any craft. I guess Blizzard disagrees with that sentiment.
gl hf
Prev 1 47 48 49 50 51 65 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 31m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 582
actioN 279
Larva 117
Sharp 91
NotJumperer 29
NaDa 12
Dota 2
Gorgc2758
NeuroSwarm85
League of Legends
JimRising 1150
Counter-Strike
fl0m2190
Stewie2K453
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor131
Other Games
summit1g13627
Happy218
goatrope48
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL92
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH137
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota229
League of Legends
• Lourlo3784
• Jankos2887
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1h 31m
WardiTV Korean Royale
3h 31m
LAN Event
6h 31m
ByuN vs Zoun
TBD vs TriGGeR
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
9h 31m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
11h 31m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
1d
Wardi Open
1d 3h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.