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WCS AM will continue to include LatAm, Oceania/SEA, CN, and TW/HK/Macau, you can all stop freaking out about it. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
It's fun though, its not like the world is ending or anything. We are talking about WCS, that is SC2 3 events per year, that are now region-locked. No other competition, just this one. But the drama-index here appears to be on a 52 week high, or at least it on its highest since Naniwa called it a day. Me, I'm glad about this decision. Clean start 2015, we'll see more drama then, because I'm sure we will see plenty of the former PL players losing out already in the qualifiers.  | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On September 06 2014 07:22 BaneRiders wrote: It's fun though, its not like the world is ending or anything. We are talking about WCS, that is SC2 3 events per year, that are now region-locked. No other competition, just this one. But the drama-index here appears to be on a 52 week high, or at least it on its highest since Naniwa called it a day. Me, I'm glad about this decision. Clean start 2015, we'll see more drama then, because I'm sure we will see plenty of the former PL players losing out already in the qualifiers. Well technically it's six events per year considering EU and AM separate tournaments and whatnot. Also they are the consistent leagues that go on for the entirety of the year and qualify for the biggest event of the year so yeah. Drama | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
Korea has such a deep deep talent pool, but if the viewer interest of Koreans + International audience for SC2 don't match how saturated the sheer amount of talented Korean programmers, then as sadly as it is, some Koreans must retire if there's no team willing to pay. The fact that the majority of foreigners in WCS NA are so bad, that Koreans who live and train in Korea on KR server can come, swoop by and take the WCS money, then fly back to Korea, does nothing to help the NA foreign competitive scene. By injecting money to NA scene, but having Koreans taking it, Blizzard is subsidizing the overly saturated Korean market when the demand is not there. WCS EU is fine because the foreign pros were good enough that the Koreans realized they had move there full time and train to be successful, to overcome the cross-server handicap. And also the fact that it's much easier to obtain an EU visa than in US. And with the Koreans actually training on the EU ladder, it helps the overall competition. If in the future, WCS AM has no viewership due to lack of perceived respected Koreans competing, with Polt pummeling the competition, like it kinda was in 2012, then so be it. Then the NA is dead.This does not mean Blizzard should award a prize pool equal to Korea or EU if the viewership doesn't demand it. If Blizzard does, then they are subsidizing a lower talent pool where interest is poor. However, I believe there is enough regional pride and interest to help the NA scene more than the current situation. With more money going to NA foreigners than Koreans, it will incite the foreigners to train harder, get better. I'm not saying Desrow or Catz for example will start to compete with Koreans. They have probably reached their peak. But new, young, up-and-comers with fresh talent dreaming to be the best of NA will have that chance, (with money giving them that incentive) and so overall the NA scene can grow. (Once again, if there is that demand) To those who think why don't NA foreigners just train on the KR server, not everyone has exceptional internet. Only those who are wealthy enough. That's why majority train in their server region, and that's why foreigners want to travel and train in Korea - with no lag. I have great internet and I play on both servers, but the slight lag impacts your play, so I can't imagine how the pros feel with any slightest instance of lag. It's frustrating. | ||
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Milleus
Denmark29 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 06 2014 07:26 Darkhorse wrote: Well technically it's six events per year considering EU and AM separate tournaments and whatnot. Also they are the consistent leagues that go on for the entirety of the year and qualify for the biggest event of the year so yeah. Drama Well, technically you can only participate in one WCS region per season, hence I put 3.  It is true that it is easier to qualify for blizzcon if you win one WCS season, or at least score good consistently in WCS, but there are many other tournaments now that now offer good points. Look at the top three in the WCS points list. Hyun (#1) and MC (#2) would qualify to the season final this year even if you removed their season 1 gold. Taeja (#3) and he has got like two 5-8 places in NA this year from WCS and that is it. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
But, as we said, Eu is not affected by that (only San has to move I think), the problem is for NA. NA GM is lot easier than EU GM, and without Koreans playing in NA Servers the gap between EUforeigners and NAforeigner will increase for sure. If you want zero foreigner hopes at DH/IEM/MLG/REDBULL/etc this is the first step. | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On September 06 2014 07:36 BaneRiders wrote: Well, technically you can only participate in one WCS region per season, hence I put 3. It is true that it is easier to qualify for blizzcon if you win one WCS season, or at least score good consistently in WCS, but there are many other tournaments now that now offer good points. Look at the top three in the WCS points list. Hyun (#1) and MC (#2) would qualify to the season final this year even if you removed their season 1 gold. Taeja (#3) and he has got like two 5-8 places in NA this year from WCS and that is it. But soO has finished second twice this year and still might not even qualify D: | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 06 2014 07:40 AWalker9 wrote: But soO has finished second twice this year and still might not even qualify D: He should stop being so lazy then. He only plays in three tournaments per year? Practices pool side, eh? Tsk tsk, that is not good enough. | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
now a bunch of Koreans who are already or planning to play in WCS NA/EU are screwed... well i guess a few months time is enough of a heads up in their minds lol... | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On September 06 2014 07:43 BaneRiders wrote: He should stop being so lazy then. He only plays in three tournaments per year? Practices pool side, eh? Tsk tsk, that is not good enough. I think it's Proleague and lack of funds more than being lazy. | ||
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MarcusWC
Canada55 Posts
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
Here is the list of all WCS EU Korean players: + Show Spoiler + Out of all these players, here are players that will probably be largely unaffected (due to already living in the region): + Show Spoiler + Leaving us with  Patience, San,  Mvp and  Golden. Out of these players, I am not really sure about Patience and Golden, maybe someone knows more but I don't think they currently live in Europe. Mvp lives in Korea, but GEM house is probably there for him if he wants to. San is on Taiwanese team, so depending on where he will live and how exactly the rules will be, he probably could get into WCS NA through Taiwanese qualifiers. So at worst, WCS EU will lose 4 KR players.Now WCS NA: + Show Spoiler + Out of these, the largely unaffected are only Polt and viOLet (I think also Revival but not sure). I think Bomber should also be able to stay, if he and Red Bull wanted.Players that would probably be able to move to EU (as they live there already) - HyuN only. NesTea is probably same case as Mvp - if he wanted he could probably go to GEM house.Not sure about Seed (dunno where he lives, I bet he could live with Dignitas LoL team in NA though) and Arthur (really, just no idea. Didn't he retire anyway?). Check is the same case as San - maybe he will be able to go through Taiwanese qualifiers, maybe not.Players that will most probably have to move: + Show Spoiler + Definitely staying are only Polt and viOLet, with most likely Revival and possibly also Bomber staying too (I think Revival does live with Polt, right?)EDIT: So many opportunities for GEM NA lol. Santa Clauf, get on the case! | ||
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KingWilhelm
11 Posts
WCS AM will be a joke: Scarlet and Huk + some Chinese players vs a sea of ""bad""/unknown players WCS KR will be overloaded and all the current Code S players must feel like shit... starting over in qualifier. Hope not to many will retire  gj Blizzard PS: RIP Axiom Kappa User was warned for this post | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
As for Taeja and etc, they're good enough that they don't need to go the route of third tier Koreans, anyways. They're no better than NA players for wanting an easier route. Not only do I get to watch meaningful games to me, as you can now tell who is the best in NA, as opposed to gleaming nothing, before, because some unlucky soul would run into polt or taeja. Now, Korea should have all of the best players playing there... So, I even get to watch the best players play in one place now. Win/win, don't care about Arthur. | ||
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calh
537 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 06 2014 01:16 Darkhorse wrote: I think he posted in a LR thread a few weeks ago Refer to my signature | ||
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