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On September 05 2014 17:38 kimaphan wrote:
Hi TL.net!
As much as I would like to address all of your questions and concerns, the reality is we're still finalizing the details of WCS 2015 with our partners. We wanted to share the more important changes immediately so players can start planning for next year. More information on the residency rules and requirements will be communicated to the impacted players directly and will also be updated in our official handbook for 2015.
It's safe to say that the changes in progress will have an impact on the points distribution, which is currently being assessed. We will be sharing a comprehensive WCS 2015 announcement later this year.
Thank you for your continued support and feedback! We really appreciate the StarCraft II community <3
.kim
Sounds promising for more points for GSL. Here's hoping.
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United States97276 Posts
On September 05 2014 17:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm not watching WCS America anymore.
Have you ever watched more than the days HerO played? Or even half the days HerO played?
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On September 05 2014 17:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm not watching WCS America anymore.
Not even for Has?
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United States97276 Posts
Maybe Naniwa will come back
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On September 05 2014 17:34 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:32 sharkie wrote:On September 05 2014 17:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:24 sharkie wrote:
This is the best possible solution.
Now if prize money gets adapted to this change its literally perfect.
Why is there so much discussion about it going on? Because clearly your conclusion is not agreed upon by everyone. But why? Getting a work visa is not that hard and isn't it obvious that players that play their qualifiers in Korea and then only fly to NA/EU for the Ro16+ is a stupid system? Well, It'd be even more stupid to basically kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL the Koreans to play in Korea. During Proleague most Koreans won't go abroad too often, only 32 players will be in Code S most likely, 3 Code S per season... I don't think it's a fair format. Koreans will have a harder time qualifying for Code A than players in WCS NA will have to win the premier league.
"Kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL koreans to play in korea"?
You obviously haven't even read the post.
1) Koreans can play whereever they want as long as they reside there. Thats the whole point of "regional" tournaments.
2) So we are "killing" the korean scene by foring them to abide the rules that all other players from other regions have to follow? Like others have pointed out earlier in this thread GSL forces you to stay in korea for the whole tournament if you want to compete in it. Effectively "forcing" foreigners to play in their countries, sad for the koreans that they can't just take a plane to AM and steal all that regions price money in two weeks and then just fly home anymore.
Its a very fair format and it is the very point behind actually having a regional system, AM has money invested in it. Why should korea just steal it away, let them play in their region, not AMs fault that korea doesn't invest in their ówn scene.
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On September 05 2014 17:38 kimaphan wrote:
It's safe to say that the changes in progress will have an impact on the points distribution, which is currently being assessed. We will be sharing a comprehensive WCS 2015 announcement later this year.
I'm on the fence with this, as much as I like the idea that point distribution will be higher for KR and most likely lowest for NA, I feel like China is going to get shafted with this as they're stuck in NA and given that China pretty much uses the KR ladder anyway can't we just have a WCS China/Taiwan so the Chinese actually stand a chance of getting to Blizzcon?
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Austria24420 Posts
On September 05 2014 17:43 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:34 Swisslink wrote:On September 05 2014 17:32 sharkie wrote:On September 05 2014 17:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:24 sharkie wrote:
This is the best possible solution.
Now if prize money gets adapted to this change its literally perfect.
Why is there so much discussion about it going on? Because clearly your conclusion is not agreed upon by everyone. But why? Getting a work visa is not that hard and isn't it obvious that players that play their qualifiers in Korea and then only fly to NA/EU for the Ro16+ is a stupid system? Well, It'd be even more stupid to basically kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL the Koreans to play in Korea. During Proleague most Koreans won't go abroad too often, only 32 players will be in Code S most likely, 3 Code S per season... I don't think it's a fair format. Koreans will have a harder time qualifying for Code A than players in WCS NA will have to win the premier league. "Kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL koreans to play in korea"? You obviously haven't even read the post. 1) Koreans can play whereever they want as long as they reside there. Thats the whole point of "regional" tournaments. 2) So we are "killing" the korean scene by foring them to abide the rules that all other players from other regions have to follow? Like others have pointed out earlier in this thread GSL forces you to stay in korea for the whole tournament if you want to compete in it. Effectively "forcing" foreigners to play in their countries, sad for the koreans that they can't just take a plane to AM and steal all that regions price money in two weeks and then just fly home anymore. Its a very fair format and it is the very point behind actually having a regional system, AM has money invested in it. Why should korea just steal it away, let them play in their region, not AMs fault that korea doesn't invest in their ówn scene.
If you think people can just up and move their entire lives to somewhere else because Blizzard decided to region lock WCS, then you're delusional.
1) The level of play in America will be an absolute joke. There will also be no reason for WCS AM players to ever improve, because they'll be playing against Americans the entire time. There's no challenge. Qxc said it best when he said that they don't need the Koreans OUT of WCS, they need them to stick around consistently enough to raise the level of play.
2) Korea NEEDS another tournament. GSL is NOT enough to saturate the Korean scene and retirements will flood in like crazy if these changes are implemented. There is no chance for 99% of Koreans in GSL and there is no hope for anyone to come through.
3) The WCS finals will be an absolute joke of a tournament. It'll be Americans and Europeans, who had neither incentive nor possibility to improve getting absolutely SLAUGHTERED by the best of the best Koreans. That's not interesting. You can have that at any given foreign event. Blizzcon loses its status as the biggest finals of the year to just another weekend tournament where you'll already be able to narrow down the winner to about 5-10 players, depending on how many good Koreans make it.
HORRIBLE changes in my opinion.
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I expect that a lot of Koreans will be retiring because of this change.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 05 2014 17:38 kimaphan wrote:
Hi TL.net!
As much as I would like to address all of your questions and concerns, the reality is we're still finalizing the details of WCS 2015 with our partners. We wanted to share the more important changes immediately so players can start planning for next year. More information on the residency rules and requirements will be communicated to the impacted players directly and will also be updated in our official handbook for 2015.
It's safe to say that the changes in progress will have an impact on the points distribution, which is currently being assessed. We will be sharing a comprehensive WCS 2015 announcement later this year. Please stay tuned!
Thank you for your continued support and feedback. We really appreciate the StarCraft II community <3
.kim
I've added this to the OP.
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On September 05 2014 17:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:43 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 05 2014 17:34 Swisslink wrote:On September 05 2014 17:32 sharkie wrote:On September 05 2014 17:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:24 sharkie wrote:
This is the best possible solution.
Now if prize money gets adapted to this change its literally perfect.
Why is there so much discussion about it going on? Because clearly your conclusion is not agreed upon by everyone. But why? Getting a work visa is not that hard and isn't it obvious that players that play their qualifiers in Korea and then only fly to NA/EU for the Ro16+ is a stupid system? Well, It'd be even more stupid to basically kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL the Koreans to play in Korea. During Proleague most Koreans won't go abroad too often, only 32 players will be in Code S most likely, 3 Code S per season... I don't think it's a fair format. Koreans will have a harder time qualifying for Code A than players in WCS NA will have to win the premier league. "Kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL koreans to play in korea"? You obviously haven't even read the post. 1) Koreans can play whereever they want as long as they reside there. Thats the whole point of "regional" tournaments. 2) So we are "killing" the korean scene by foring them to abide the rules that all other players from other regions have to follow? Like others have pointed out earlier in this thread GSL forces you to stay in korea for the whole tournament if you want to compete in it. Effectively "forcing" foreigners to play in their countries, sad for the koreans that they can't just take a plane to AM and steal all that regions price money in two weeks and then just fly home anymore. Its a very fair format and it is the very point behind actually having a regional system, AM has money invested in it. Why should korea just steal it away, let them play in their region, not AMs fault that korea doesn't invest in their ówn scene. If you think people can just up and move their entire lives to somewhere else because Blizzard decided to region lock WCS, then you're delusional.
Unfortunately, there's quite of a number of people who believe that in this thread alone.
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On September 05 2014 17:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:43 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 05 2014 17:34 Swisslink wrote:On September 05 2014 17:32 sharkie wrote:On September 05 2014 17:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:24 sharkie wrote:
This is the best possible solution.
Now if prize money gets adapted to this change its literally perfect.
Why is there so much discussion about it going on? Because clearly your conclusion is not agreed upon by everyone. But why? Getting a work visa is not that hard and isn't it obvious that players that play their qualifiers in Korea and then only fly to NA/EU for the Ro16+ is a stupid system? Well, It'd be even more stupid to basically kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL the Koreans to play in Korea. During Proleague most Koreans won't go abroad too often, only 32 players will be in Code S most likely, 3 Code S per season... I don't think it's a fair format. Koreans will have a harder time qualifying for Code A than players in WCS NA will have to win the premier league. "Kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL koreans to play in korea"? You obviously haven't even read the post. 1) Koreans can play whereever they want as long as they reside there. Thats the whole point of "regional" tournaments. 2) So we are "killing" the korean scene by foring them to abide the rules that all other players from other regions have to follow? Like others have pointed out earlier in this thread GSL forces you to stay in korea for the whole tournament if you want to compete in it. Effectively "forcing" foreigners to play in their countries, sad for the koreans that they can't just take a plane to AM and steal all that regions price money in two weeks and then just fly home anymore. Its a very fair format and it is the very point behind actually having a regional system, AM has money invested in it. Why should korea just steal it away, let them play in their region, not AMs fault that korea doesn't invest in their ówn scene. If you think people can just up and move their entire lives to somewhere else because Blizzard decided to region lock WCS, then you're delusional.
1) Yeah I must be delusional because there have been no examples of any players ever to move out of their own countries, of course no one will ever do that.
2) Because moving to get work somewhere else is totally unaccaptable, if you want a particular job in one particular area than maybe moving should be an option you should look into. Seriously most people have to move once or twice for work if they don't want to be an unemployed bum for large periods of their lives, at least where I live. If you think moving is so horrible then maybe you should look for work opportunities in areas that are a bit easier to get a job in.
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Unless he moves to Europe, i'm feeling Mvp retirement 
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Austria24420 Posts
On September 05 2014 17:52 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 05 2014 17:43 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 05 2014 17:34 Swisslink wrote:On September 05 2014 17:32 sharkie wrote:On September 05 2014 17:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:24 sharkie wrote:
This is the best possible solution.
Now if prize money gets adapted to this change its literally perfect.
Why is there so much discussion about it going on? Because clearly your conclusion is not agreed upon by everyone. But why? Getting a work visa is not that hard and isn't it obvious that players that play their qualifiers in Korea and then only fly to NA/EU for the Ro16+ is a stupid system? Well, It'd be even more stupid to basically kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL the Koreans to play in Korea. During Proleague most Koreans won't go abroad too often, only 32 players will be in Code S most likely, 3 Code S per season... I don't think it's a fair format. Koreans will have a harder time qualifying for Code A than players in WCS NA will have to win the premier league. "Kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL koreans to play in korea"? You obviously haven't even read the post. 1) Koreans can play whereever they want as long as they reside there. Thats the whole point of "regional" tournaments. 2) So we are "killing" the korean scene by foring them to abide the rules that all other players from other regions have to follow? Like others have pointed out earlier in this thread GSL forces you to stay in korea for the whole tournament if you want to compete in it. Effectively "forcing" foreigners to play in their countries, sad for the koreans that they can't just take a plane to AM and steal all that regions price money in two weeks and then just fly home anymore. Its a very fair format and it is the very point behind actually having a regional system, AM has money invested in it. Why should korea just steal it away, let them play in their region, not AMs fault that korea doesn't invest in their ówn scene. If you think people can just up and move their entire lives to somewhere else because Blizzard decided to region lock WCS, then you're delusional. 1) Yeah I must be delusional because there have been no examples of any players ever to move out of their own countries, of course no one will ever do that. 2) Because moving to get work somewhere else is totally unaccaptable, if you want a particular job in one particular area than maybe moving should be an option you should look into. Seriously most people have to move once or twice for work if they don't want to be an unemployed bum for large periods of their lives, at least where I live. If you think moving is so horrible then maybe you should look for work opportunities in areas that are a bit easier to get a job in.
Alright, there is no point in talking to you.
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after talking abit with rotterdam it seems to be much cheaper to get a legit visa in europe than it is in us, in other words i think WCS europe will look almost identical (with the exception that no more koreans will try to enter through qualifier without living here first) because most of our koreans already live in europe with good enough visas (afaik).
where as america only the koreans living there (polt and violet afaik) will play the wcs NA, unless total biscuit pays up and fixes a house in na before next season starts. but from hearing his podcast it sounds like that is too expensive and axiom will live in korea instead
i wish blizzard would just have had this kind of region lock from the absolute start
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On September 05 2014 17:52 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 05 2014 17:43 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 05 2014 17:34 Swisslink wrote:On September 05 2014 17:32 sharkie wrote:On September 05 2014 17:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:24 sharkie wrote:
This is the best possible solution.
Now if prize money gets adapted to this change its literally perfect.
Why is there so much discussion about it going on? Because clearly your conclusion is not agreed upon by everyone. But why? Getting a work visa is not that hard and isn't it obvious that players that play their qualifiers in Korea and then only fly to NA/EU for the Ro16+ is a stupid system? Well, It'd be even more stupid to basically kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL the Koreans to play in Korea. During Proleague most Koreans won't go abroad too often, only 32 players will be in Code S most likely, 3 Code S per season... I don't think it's a fair format. Koreans will have a harder time qualifying for Code A than players in WCS NA will have to win the premier league. "Kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL koreans to play in korea"? You obviously haven't even read the post. 1) Koreans can play whereever they want as long as they reside there. Thats the whole point of "regional" tournaments. 2) So we are "killing" the korean scene by foring them to abide the rules that all other players from other regions have to follow? Like others have pointed out earlier in this thread GSL forces you to stay in korea for the whole tournament if you want to compete in it. Effectively "forcing" foreigners to play in their countries, sad for the koreans that they can't just take a plane to AM and steal all that regions price money in two weeks and then just fly home anymore. Its a very fair format and it is the very point behind actually having a regional system, AM has money invested in it. Why should korea just steal it away, let them play in their region, not AMs fault that korea doesn't invest in their ówn scene. If you think people can just up and move their entire lives to somewhere else because Blizzard decided to region lock WCS, then you're delusional. 1) Yeah I must be delusional because there have been no examples of any players ever to move out of their own countries, of course no one will ever do that. 2) Because moving to get work somewhere else is totally unaccaptable, if you want a particular job in one particular area than maybe moving should be an option you should look into. Seriously most people have to move once or twice for work if they don't want to be an unemployed bum for large periods of their lives, at least where I live. If you think moving is so horrible then maybe you should look for work opportunities in areas that are a bit easier to get a job in.
You're completely ignoring his arguments.
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On September 05 2014 17:52 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On September 05 2014 17:43 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 05 2014 17:34 Swisslink wrote:On September 05 2014 17:32 sharkie wrote:On September 05 2014 17:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:24 sharkie wrote:
This is the best possible solution.
Now if prize money gets adapted to this change its literally perfect.
Why is there so much discussion about it going on? Because clearly your conclusion is not agreed upon by everyone. But why? Getting a work visa is not that hard and isn't it obvious that players that play their qualifiers in Korea and then only fly to NA/EU for the Ro16+ is a stupid system? Well, It'd be even more stupid to basically kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL the Koreans to play in Korea. During Proleague most Koreans won't go abroad too often, only 32 players will be in Code S most likely, 3 Code S per season... I don't think it's a fair format. Koreans will have a harder time qualifying for Code A than players in WCS NA will have to win the premier league. "Kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL koreans to play in korea"? You obviously haven't even read the post. 1) Koreans can play whereever they want as long as they reside there. Thats the whole point of "regional" tournaments. 2) So we are "killing" the korean scene by foring them to abide the rules that all other players from other regions have to follow? Like others have pointed out earlier in this thread GSL forces you to stay in korea for the whole tournament if you want to compete in it. Effectively "forcing" foreigners to play in their countries, sad for the koreans that they can't just take a plane to AM and steal all that regions price money in two weeks and then just fly home anymore. Its a very fair format and it is the very point behind actually having a regional system, AM has money invested in it. Why should korea just steal it away, let them play in their region, not AMs fault that korea doesn't invest in their ówn scene. If you think people can just up and move their entire lives to somewhere else because Blizzard decided to region lock WCS, then you're delusional. 1) Yeah I must be delusional because there have been no examples of any players ever to move out of their own countries, of course no one will ever do that. 2) Because moving to get work somewhere else is totally unaccaptable, if you want a particular job in one particular area than maybe moving should be an option you should look into. Seriously most people have to move once or twice for work if they don't want to be an unemployed bum for large periods of their lives, at least where I live. If you think moving is so horrible then maybe you should look for work opportunities in areas that are a bit easier to get a job in.
Moving to a foreign country for a highly unstable career is entirely different. You clearly don't have any idea what you are talking about.
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On September 05 2014 17:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:43 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 05 2014 17:34 Swisslink wrote:On September 05 2014 17:32 sharkie wrote:On September 05 2014 17:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:24 sharkie wrote:
This is the best possible solution.
Now if prize money gets adapted to this change its literally perfect.
Why is there so much discussion about it going on? Because clearly your conclusion is not agreed upon by everyone. But why? Getting a work visa is not that hard and isn't it obvious that players that play their qualifiers in Korea and then only fly to NA/EU for the Ro16+ is a stupid system? Well, It'd be even more stupid to basically kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL the Koreans to play in Korea. During Proleague most Koreans won't go abroad too often, only 32 players will be in Code S most likely, 3 Code S per season... I don't think it's a fair format. Koreans will have a harder time qualifying for Code A than players in WCS NA will have to win the premier league. "Kill the Korean scene by forcing ALL koreans to play in korea"? You obviously haven't even read the post. 1) Koreans can play whereever they want as long as they reside there. Thats the whole point of "regional" tournaments. 2) So we are "killing" the korean scene by foring them to abide the rules that all other players from other regions have to follow? Like others have pointed out earlier in this thread GSL forces you to stay in korea for the whole tournament if you want to compete in it. Effectively "forcing" foreigners to play in their countries, sad for the koreans that they can't just take a plane to AM and steal all that regions price money in two weeks and then just fly home anymore. Its a very fair format and it is the very point behind actually having a regional system, AM has money invested in it. Why should korea just steal it away, let them play in their region, not AMs fault that korea doesn't invest in their ówn scene. If you think people can just up and move their entire lives to somewhere else because Blizzard decided to region lock WCS, then you're delusional. 1) The level of play in America will be an absolute joke. There will also be no reason for WCS AM players to ever improve, because they'll be playing against Americans the entire time. There's no challenge. Qxc said it best when he said that they don't need the Koreans OUT of WCS, they need them to stick around consistently enough to raise the level of play. 2) Korea NEEDS another tournament. GSL is NOT enough to saturate the Korean scene and retirements will flood in like crazy if these changes are implemented. There is no chance for 99% of Koreans in GSL and there is no hope for anyone to come through. 3) The WCS finals will be an absolute joke of a tournament. It'll be Americans and Europeans, who had neither incentive nor possibility to improve getting absolutely SLAUGHTERED by the best of the best Koreans. That's not interesting. You can have that at any given foreign event. Blizzcon loses its status as the biggest finals of the year to just another weekend tournament where you'll already be able to narrow down the winner to about 5-10 players, depending on how many good Koreans make it. HORRIBLE changes in my opinion.
1) Koreans have zero reason to stick in America with the current system as well. The new changes will change absolutely nothing. ^^
2) Obviously, but Korea needed another tournament for a long time. I have no idea why there is only GSL anyway.
3) Europeans will still be playing their Koreans on ladder. So their skills will only increase. NA already has weaker players qualify for Blizzconn (pigbaby)
The changes affect none of your points
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Has the question on whether or not the players have to actually live there, already been answered? If not, what stops player from just getting a Visa from some micro nation in the Caribbean, which is also technically part of NA?
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
The year is 2015
Kespa decides to make practice houses in Europe and the USA which can be used by all their teams
Kespa players dominate WCS EU/AM/KR
Kespa takes over the world
KESPAAAAAAAAA
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On September 05 2014 18:03 Xoronius wrote:
Has the question on whether or not the players have to actually live there, already been answered? If not, what stops player from just getting a Visa from some micro nation in the Caribbean, which is also technically part of NA?
Nothing stops them from doing so.
It will greatly increase NA ladder skill level.
I hope some will do that
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