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On September 05 2014 17:02 kimaphan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 10:23 Plansix wrote:On September 05 2014 10:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
If WCS NA and EU have the same amount or even a compareable amount of WCS points as GSL then the system and Blizzcon have become even more of a joke than they already were. They are going to give out the exact same number of points, just like every other regional sport in creation. Oh  It's a good thing SC2 is not like every other regional sport in creation.
It would be absolutely foolish at this point to think that WCS Korea should be worth as many points as EU or NA now. The difference in competition level even without this region lock is already absurd, after these changes go through it will be absolutely ridiculous.
I hope you guys already realize this. I hope your comment right here means you do.
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On September 05 2014 17:00 AcerBly wrote:
Hopefully more explanation come soon... If only native citizens of EU/NA/KR (ofc NA include all those regions which they meant before) would be rly good... i dont ask for WCS 2012 when it was each country quali and bla bla bla, which was GREAT. But if only ppl who native Eu/NA/KR can play WCS Eu/Na/Kr would be rly great... i guess viewers numbes gonna grow because of ppl wanna cheer for their country...
I think it's gonna shrink viewer numbers actually, a lot of people like myself want to see the best players, not just players from their countries. It's nice when we have players that fall into both categories but I think that's too much to ask.
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I just wish the GSL had a much larger prize pool to take into account the far better players, and larger player pool and wasn't so incredibly top heavy (1st gets 66k, 2nd down to 14k), although I recall reading the players wanted this :S.
If the strugglers who battle like hell just to make the ro32 or even Code A got more financial support then that would be a good compromise for this, but yeh my initial thoughts upon reading this news was that there are going to be a large number of retirements, which is never a good thing.
Edit- Yeah point distribution could be looked at as well.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
most regional sports don't even grant the same number of seeds per region. the world cup, the most often cited analogous tournament, gives 13 to europe, 4/5 to south america, 5 to africa, 4/5 to asia, 3/4 to concacaf and 0/1 to new zealand.
it wouldn't be unfair, given there is a precedent in "world cup" type of tournaments, to give 2x as many wcs points and prize money to korea.
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On September 05 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
most regional sports don't even grant the same number of seeds per region. the world cup, the most often cited analogous tournament, gives 13 to europe, 4/5 to south america, 5 to africa, 4/5 to asia, 3/4 to concacaf and 0/1 to new zealand.
it wouldn't be unfair, given there is a precedent in "world cup" type of tournaments, to give 2x as many wcs points and prize money to korea.
What would be unfair is for them to NOT adjust the prize pools and point distribution after this mess.
The Code A qualifiers are going to be twice as difficult as EU or NA premier will be. How in the world does it make sense to keep the regions equal after that?
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United States97277 Posts
Kim's comment really makes this interesting
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United States43 Posts
On September 05 2014 10:47 shockaslim wrote:
Why don't they change the name from WCS NA to some other name since there are more non American countries represented than there are North American?
It can be confusing if we change the name every time we make changes to the same league. This year we made the decision to keep the name WCS America because once players qualify into the league, they play on the Americas server. The live on-site premier league matches also take place in America. It will work the same way in 2015.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
So, basically no change at all for WCS EU except for San, because the rest of Korean players are part of the Europe scene and play for Europe team. I don't follow WCS AM because of the air time, so I don't care and no change for GSL. Cool cool cool 
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On September 05 2014 17:00 AcerBly wrote:
Hopefully more explanation come soon... If only native citizens of EU/NA/KR (ofc NA include all those regions which they meant before) would be rly good... i dont ask for WCS 2012 when it was each country quali and bla bla bla, which was GREAT. But if only ppl who native Eu/NA/KR can play WCS Eu/Na/Kr would be rly great... i guess viewers numbes gonna grow because of ppl wanna cheer for their country...
it wont grow for sure.
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On September 05 2014 17:10 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
most regional sports don't even grant the same number of seeds per region. the world cup, the most often cited analogous tournament, gives 13 to europe, 4/5 to south america, 5 to africa, 4/5 to asia, 3/4 to concacaf and 0/1 to new zealand.
it wouldn't be unfair, given there is a precedent in "world cup" type of tournaments, to give 2x as many wcs points and prize money to korea. What would be unfair is for them to NOT adjust the prize pools and point distribution after this mess. The Code A qualifiers are going to be twice as difficult as EU or NA premier will be. How in the world does it make sense to keep the regions equal after that?
EU premier will still feature a good amout of koreans, since they mostly live in Düsseldorf or Switzerland. NA premier however will not be comparable to Code A and I wouldn't bet on it being stronger than EU challenger either. I hope they give a lot of spots to China, that might get a decent skill level into NA.
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On September 05 2014 17:12 deacon.frost wrote:So, basically no change at all for WCS EU except for San, because the rest of Korean are part of the Europe scene and play for Europe team. I don't follow WCS AM because of the air time, so I don't care and no change for GSL. Cool cool cool
GSL is changing because it means all of the Korean players that aren't residents are going to have come back home. That means players like Taeja and Jaedong now have to qualify and compete against the already absurdly stacked Code S roster.
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On September 05 2014 17:11 kimaphan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 10:47 shockaslim wrote:
Why don't they change the name from WCS NA to some other name since there are more non American countries represented than there are North American? It can be confusing if we change the name every time we make changes to the same league. This year we made the decision to keep the name WCS America because once players qualify into the league, they play on the Americas server. The live on-site premier league matches also take place in America. It will work the same way in 2015.
Since players must have residency now, does that mean all the matches in WCS NA and EU will take place offline or will that not change?
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On September 05 2014 17:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:11 kimaphan wrote:On September 05 2014 10:47 shockaslim wrote:
Why don't they change the name from WCS NA to some other name since there are more non American countries represented than there are North American? It can be confusing if we change the name every time we make changes to the same league. This year we made the decision to keep the name WCS America because once players qualify into the league, they play on the Americas server. The live on-site premier league matches also take place in America. It will work the same way in 2015. Since players must have residency now, does that mean all the matches in WCS NA and EU will take place offline or will that not change?
I'd guess ro32 is still online. The travelling distance from Russia, Spain or Iceland to Germany is still pretty huge.
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Why it took so long for full region lock ? It just makes sense the player has to be full resident ...
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On September 05 2014 17:13 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:12 deacon.frost wrote:So, basically no change at all for WCS EU except for San, because the rest of Korean are part of the Europe scene and play for Europe team. I don't follow WCS AM because of the air time, so I don't care and no change for GSL. Cool cool cool GSL is changing because it means all of the Korean players that aren't residents are going to have come back home. That means players like Taeja and Jaedong now have to qualify and compete against the already absurdly stacked Code S roster.
Well, more high level games in GSL is even better for me. Cool cool cool cool!
BTW I thought that JD lives in US, so he would be WCS NA material. Taeja and Hero... sad story :D :D I think Red Bull can support Bomber in US too
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Mass retirement incoming for mid-low level koreans who needed wcs to get some money
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So now Polt is guaranteed to win _every_ WCS America. I suppose I'm happy about this...
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Can't say I'm too happy with this 
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On September 05 2014 17:18 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 17:13 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 05 2014 17:12 deacon.frost wrote:So, basically no change at all for WCS EU except for San, because the rest of Korean are part of the Europe scene and play for Europe team. I don't follow WCS AM because of the air time, so I don't care and no change for GSL. Cool cool cool GSL is changing because it means all of the Korean players that aren't residents are going to have come back home. That means players like Taeja and Jaedong now have to qualify and compete against the already absurdly stacked Code S roster. Well, more high level games in GSL is even better for me. Cool cool cool cool! BTW I thought that JD lives in US, so he would be WCS NA material. Taeja and Hero... sad story :D :D I think Red Bull can support Bomber in US too
Code S can literally not get any more high level than it already is.
These changes are bad because there are now more top level players competing in GSL than there are spots in Code S (that's already the case as it is)
That means more fan favorites being knocked out in the Code A qualifiers or in Code A before they ever get a chance to compete in Code S.
It means that players that already have trouble qualifying for Code S now have even more competition to compete against.
This is really really bad for the Korean scene there's really no way around it. Blizzard has to know what kind of can of worms they are opening with these changes. If they don't provide adequate compensation to the Korean scene to account for all of this mass retirements are really inevitable.
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So basically lots of European/NA players are gonna qualify for Blizzcon/get the same amount of money by doing well in a tournament that's gonna be a lot easier to win than to even qualify for Code A in GSL?
... I don't like it.
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