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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12417 Posts
Everything is impossible until it isn't. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
Protoss players have been using PvP as an excuse not to nerf stupid stuff for some time now. PO comes to mind. One might argue that if PvP is only fine because of borderline broken abilities on a hero unit that also fuck up the other MUs, there are some deeper issues, but w/e. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Perhaps skip ghosts to then. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On July 23 2014 04:26 Picasso wrote: you obviously have no idea how scaling works. Do you think such a "minor" -0.2 attack speed buff would be the same for a hydra as it is for a tank? For hard hitting units like tanks even a seemingly small buff to attack speed is huge, that's why they reverted it from the originally proposed 2.7 to 2.8. If that buff made no difference as you claim, why would Bomber suddenly use bio tank not only as something he fondled with but as one of his main TvZ strats after the patch went through? Obviously that change was important enough to affect his gameplay Which is probably why he was already playing it 3 months before the buff? | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
Seriously, the Terrans got stronger again lately, especially in TvZ and NOW they buff Terran? Why? And as a mediocre player, the new mines will make the matchup unplayable again, imo. :-/ (Although I agree that they shouldn't really care about lower leagues, it's still annoying :-P ) | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
On July 23 2014 05:06 Swisslink wrote: i don't like the Mine change. Seriously, the Terrans got stronger again lately, especially in TvZ and NOW they buff Terran? Which Terrans that have not already been the top Terrans before are winning a lot in TvZ Lategames recently? I can't think of any. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 23 2014 04:59 SatedSC2 wrote: Psht. Dark Templar into 8 Gate Chargelot/Archon. #YOLO In all honesty, I think the Mine change is stupid and I think that the Time Warp change is too much. They really shouldn't looked at other options. 2 base into 5 dts fucking cowards! Praise Inca! | ||
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KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
On July 23 2014 05:01 Squat wrote: Protoss players have been using PvP as an excuse not to nerf stupid stuff for some time now. PO comes to mind. One might argue that if PvP is only fine because of borderline broken abilities on a hero unit that also fuck up the other MUs, there are some deeper issues, but w/e. So you want Protoss to die to stim pushes every game? After watching Ryung vs Squirtle I definitely don't think PO "fucks up" other match-ups. Protoss isn't the flawed race here, Terran is. I can't be the only one who finds it ridiculous that Terran get away with making the bulk of their army in cheap tier 1 units that then get a DPS + Speed boost at the press of one button + healing from other units. Don't get me wrong, there are aspects of Protoss that are incredibly stupid (I'm looking at you Time Warp) but a race that is balanced entirely around a 50 mineral early game unit that does pretty much everything + cheap mine units that can decimate most things very cost effectively. Surely I can't be the only person in the world who thinks that's incredibly silly. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On July 23 2014 05:12 KatatoniK wrote: So you want Protoss to die to stim pushes every game? After watching Ryung vs Squirtle I definitely don't think PO "fucks up" other match-ups. Protoss isn't the flawed race here, Terran is. I can't be the only one who finds it ridiculous that Terran get away with making the bulk of their army in cheap tier 1 units that then get a DPS + Speed boost at the press of one button + healing from other units. Don't get me wrong, there are aspects of Protoss that are incredibly stupid (I'm looking at you Time Warp) but a race that is balanced entirely around a 50 mineral early game unit that does pretty much everything + cheap mine units that can decimate most things very cost effectively. Surely I can't be the only person in the world who thinks that's incredibly silly. I actually completely agree about the marine, and I wrote a fairly lengthy post about it in the pros' opinions thread. I think it does bad things to terran, and is holding the race back. As for PO, I strongly dislike it, it makes protoss too safe in the early game and removes a significant amount of options specifically for zerg to do anything creative or aggressive before you get a 3+ base economy. It feels too rewarding for its ease of use and allows bad play to go unpunished, much like recall. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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gneGne
Netherlands697 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On July 23 2014 05:12 KatatoniK wrote: So you want Protoss to die to stim pushes every game? After watching Ryung vs Squirtle I definitely don't think PO "fucks up" other match-ups. Protoss isn't the flawed race here, Terran is. I can't be the only one who finds it ridiculous that Terran get away with making the bulk of their army in cheap tier 1 units that then get a DPS + Speed boost at the press of one button + healing from other units. Don't get me wrong, there are aspects of Protoss that are incredibly stupid (I'm looking at you Time Warp) but a race that is balanced entirely around a 50 mineral early game unit that does pretty much everything + cheap mine units that can decimate most things very cost effectively. Surely I can't be the only person in the world who thinks that's incredibly silly. Trust me, there are a LOT of Zerg and Protoss players who think the Marine is designed quite stupidly. It almost requires the whole game to be balanced around it simply because it's a RANGED Tier 1 unit (the other 2 are Melee) available right from the beginning that remains relevant all game long due to stim and medivacs. | ||
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
On July 23 2014 05:12 KatatoniK wrote: So you want Protoss to die to stim pushes every game? After watching Ryung vs Squirtle I definitely don't think PO "fucks up" other match-ups. Protoss isn't the flawed race here, Terran is. I can't be the only one who finds it ridiculous that Terran get away with making the bulk of their army in cheap tier 1 units that then get a DPS + Speed boost at the press of one button + healing from other units. Don't get me wrong, there are aspects of Protoss that are incredibly stupid (I'm looking at you Time Warp) but a race that is balanced entirely around a 50 mineral early game unit that does pretty much everything + cheap mine units that can decimate most things very cost effectively. Surely I can't be the only person in the world who thinks that's incredibly silly. Nice troll post you got there. Let see, where to begin... First of all marines only become cost effective with good micro. Amove them like you do with zealots and they will die incredibly quickly. Secondly, marines suck ass against pretty much all Protoss high tech units: archons, templar, collosus. No matter how godly your marine micro is, marines will get slaughtered by these units. Yes marines, have high dps, but they are have low hitpoints, are slow, and cannot be warped in. Each race's tier 1 unit has its own strengths and weakness, but to claim that the marine is somehow overpowered is the most ridiculous crap I ever heard. | ||
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Kevn23
United States80 Posts
Buff goddamn mech (Siege Tanks). That game with Bbyong vs. Classic was great on so many different levels. | ||
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