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Unsane
Canada170 Posts
On July 09 2014 06:48 Disciple7seveN wrote: And why is Terran the only race that actually has to deal with friendly splash damage? How does that make sense? No idea how colossi, archons, fungal or ultras manage to not splash their own units. I can 100% see why banelings splashing themselves would be detrimental (but then hey! a reason to remove them for lurkers!) | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
We have like 50 pages of analysis right now of what's wrong with Terran in TvP and TvZ. We have a compiled list of pros' feedback that AGREES WITH THAT. Not enough variety, not enough lategame power, some Protoss options too easy or too versatile or too strong... and we know Blizzard read them because they scrapped that ridiculous Medivac buff. So we get an insignificant Thor CHANGE (not buff) and a USELESS nerf of TW which won't change anything about its burst anti-micro potency? Why don't we make Time Warp not affect Siege Tanks and Thors while we're at it?! That's a buff! That'll totally solve everything! | ||
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Chro
United States240 Posts
They need to buff tanks. Make a strong defense based on units (not a high HP building like photon overcharge) and the other races will learn to attack better. I don't like everyone's assumption that a stronger defense makes for a boring game. Its because of such a strong defense that other races will learn how to attack better and the game gets a higher skill cap. Until a small supply can make very effective trades versus a larger supply because of map design the game will never be that good. | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
1st change - not a fan of that one (we already had a period of large mine splash), but this time they might be nailing it cause the overall damage is more "tank-like" as opposed to one big splash "uniformed" "blob" 2nd change will cause Zergs make Roaches and Overseers and "disorient" the Thors, lol, but they'll also be "self-aware" on shooting Vipers, so IDK TBH.. The third one is a good one (albeit maybe a bit too "rapid" for a "first touch", a 20 sec (down from 30) would suffice for start) Though must say GJ on these ones.. Much better than the previous.. I'm surprised that DK kept his cool though.. Not bad for what actually massively happened, lol | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
2/2 is the important time frame as this is when most of the standard play large scale battles happen. If you still only kill units in the first of 3 radius than you really haven't done much in terms of helping T. Tvp - less timewarp is a good start but you still haven't addressed the caution that Terran needs to utilize in order to not fall victim to 1 of 10 different 1 or 2 base all ins - not to mention the issue of late-game Tempest/Colo/Templar/Archon/Zealot being basically unbeatable for Terran - Colo take care of mines - Templar take care of ghosts - Tempest take care of the vikings and instant remax on zealot/templar is lollable. | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
On July 09 2014 07:31 DomeGetta wrote: Tvz - I'm a little skeptical - I really think reverting to the old mine would have been a better first step.. if even only by 60-70%. The increased radius seems strange.. someone please do the math on at what point you stop killing 2/2 lings and banes in the splash radius.. the real problem is that hurting zerg units doesn't do anything unless you have a winning army. The mutas will clean everything up on most occasions (or the excess of banes) in which case a majority of the lings and banes that were "hurt" either still got to detonate or regen for the next battle. 2/2 is the important time frame as this is when most of the standard play large scale battles happen. If you still only kill units in the first of 3 radius than you really haven't done much in terms of helping T. Tvp - less timewarp is a good start but you still haven't addressed the caution that Terran needs to utilize in order to not fall victim to 1 of 10 different 1 or 2 base all ins - not to mention the issue of late-game Tempest/Colo/Templar/Archon/Zealot being basically unbeatable for Terran - Colo take care of mines - Templar take care of ghosts - Tempest take care of the vikings and instant remax on zealot/templar is lollable. Don't forget that the mine buff applies in TvP also - less "whining" would be a good start..  (I know I said it in a rude way, but feels like Terran's got what they wanted, - and still not enough) | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Enigmasc
United Kingdom147 Posts
i like the thor aa change, itll help that the thor doesnt need to be targeted when the terran is busy splitting his marines, tho ida thought maybe something like a movespeed buff would help out by making it more mobile to support bio i like the timewarp change too, though that could be influenced by bias because while just as frustrating as forcefiled, a timewarp doesnt require near the level of precision that at least make FFs bearable :L | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On July 09 2014 07:35 VArsovskiSC wrote: Don't forget that the mine buff applies in TvP also - less "whining" would be a good start.. (I know I said it in a rude way, but feels like Terran's got what they wanted, - and still not enough) Terran #1 whiners, are you really surprised? | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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Rikudou
Germany151 Posts
I wonder if thor priority will help (I'm Protoss so I don't know TvZ). Lowering the time warp duration is interesting... I feel that most of the battle will already be over in 15 seconds (or, at least, the opponent will move out of the time warp during that time) so I feel like a decrease in the duration of photon overcharge would make more sense. the fight between an allining protoss (2base) and a defending zerg lasts waaaay longer than 15 or 30 seconds and a timewarp on a thin place or on the ramp is just the most annoying this as a zerg! i guess some terrans would agree with that too | ||
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WhaleOFaTale
46 Posts
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
On July 09 2014 06:26 Faust852 wrote: Too bad for them. Restricting the number of opening they can do is always good for T. You won't wonder for 10min if it's a 2nd starport or a ghost accademy that you will need. And it will be more punitive to moveclic without micro for the P. This is a terrible mentality to have. It's understandable, in the sense that frustration can lead to desiring "pay back", but honestly it's changes like this, resulting in a limiting of options, that put Terran in its current predicament in the first place. One only needs to think back to early WoL to remember how many options Terran had to play each match up, while the other two races were pigeon-holed into 1 or 2 builds. It's what made Terran OP back then, it's what makes Terran UP now. The more I think about the widow mine change, the more I hate it as a Terran player. We need our early game options back, then we can look at buffing late game. I'm not expecting much from Blizzard for this balance patch, though. We'll see what they do for LotV. | ||
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WhaleOFaTale
46 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
The Widow Mine buff is good for TvZ but horrible for TvP. Remove +shields damage if you're ever going for such a buff. | ||
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Pegas
Romania211 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
On July 09 2014 07:21 Unsane wrote: Just realized mine splash radius is going to double tank splash radius...i get the feeling DKim played protoss in BW. Where else could you acquire a loathing of siege tanks this much? I don't know but I really wish he would just either A: own up to it or B: stop letting his personal hatred of the unit affect his balancing decisions. | ||
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eightym
United States76 Posts
Blizzard, what happened? Did the monetary success of WOW completely change your values? Starcraft II is the most one dimensional RTS I've ever seen. There's basically one build order per matchup. There's no strategy in that. Only tactics. I will always be a fan of Starcraft, but GOD I cannot WAIT until LotV. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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