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On June 18 2014 05:43 Ribbon wrote:With this win, Taeja now has 10 Premiere Championships, and 19 medals. MVP has 9 PT wins and 18 medals. He's making a serious case for himself as Greatest Of All Time, or at least the King of the Swarm
He is a great player no doubt, but he is playing is a much easier environment overall, that's not even up for debate. If Teaja was in Korea doing GSL and in Code S round of 16 or higher AND winning all these oversea events, than you can make some legit claim to that.
I mean MC is rank 1 wcs points, but no way in hell is he the same Tier of Protoss as say Zest, MC plays in a easier environment.
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On June 18 2014 06:35 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:43 Ribbon wrote:With this win, Taeja now has 10 Premiere Championships, and 19 medals. MVP has 9 PT wins and 18 medals. He's making a serious case for himself as Greatest Of All Time, or at least the King of the Swarm He is a great player no doubt, but he is playing is a much easier environment overall, that's not even up for debate. If Teaja was in Korea doing GSL and in Code S round of 16 or higher AND winning all these oversea events, than you can make some legit claim to that. I mean MC is rank 1 wcs points, but no way in hell is he the same Tier of Protoss as say Zest, MC plays in a easier environment.
Oh my god give us a break with GSL. It is stack and maybe harder than the other WCS but not by far.
It is not the same as before (when Taeja performed well or MC won). Some of the best players left, it is not the Graal of sc2 players anymore.
And why this stupid comparaison anyway? MC is still a beast, Taeja is the best player today. Period.
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On June 18 2014 07:28 syroz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 06:35 LingBlingBling wrote:On June 18 2014 05:43 Ribbon wrote:With this win, Taeja now has 10 Premiere Championships, and 19 medals. MVP has 9 PT wins and 18 medals. He's making a serious case for himself as Greatest Of All Time, or at least the King of the Swarm He is a great player no doubt, but he is playing is a much easier environment overall, that's not even up for debate. If Teaja was in Korea doing GSL and in Code S round of 16 or higher AND winning all these oversea events, than you can make some legit claim to that. I mean MC is rank 1 wcs points, but no way in hell is he the same Tier of Protoss as say Zest, MC plays in a easier environment. Oh my god give us a break with GSL. It is stack and maybe harder than the other WCS but not by far. It is not the same as before (when Taeja performed well or MC won). Some of the best players left, it is not the Graal of sc2 players anymore. And why this stupid comparaison anyway? MC is still a beast, Taeja is the best player today. Period.
the best player in tournaments with average field. (didn't even reached a freakin WCS NA final lol)
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Great performance by Taeja, but he has still to prove himself at WCS global finals against the Korean elite.
The like of Shine, Hydra, SoS, Hero (CJ), Zest are probably a better challenge then he has in WCS am.
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Well written Darkhorse and XXTN. Keep up the good work. I like you.
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Always felt TaeJa was by far the most impressive Terran in the world when on his best form. Couldn't give a shit what region he plays, just from watching his play, his skill..he's seriously good. Just seems to slack off sometimes ( due to the injury I guess).
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On June 17 2014 17:42 Rhaeide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 17:08 KatatoniK wrote:
Can't wait for Autumn when the natural Taeja nerf patch goes through again. Last year TaeJa won 2 more majors in Autumn, HSC VIII and DH Winter...
Yeah Teaja has killed Leenock and HerO and taken their powers. He's fucking Megaman!
On June 18 2014 06:35 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:43 Ribbon wrote:With this win, Taeja now has 10 Premiere Championships, and 19 medals. MVP has 9 PT wins and 18 medals. He's making a serious case for himself as Greatest Of All Time, or at least the King of the Swarm He is a great player no doubt, but he is playing is a much easier environment overall, that's not even up for debate. If Teaja was in Korea doing GSL and in Code S round of 16 or higher AND winning all these oversea events, than you can make some legit claim to that. I mean MC is rank 1 wcs points, but no way in hell is he the same Tier of Protoss as say Zest, MC plays in a easier environment.
Korean tournaments hold the highest prestige, sure, but they're not everything. Some people truly do better in different types of leagues. Kespa players, for instance, tend to be pretty mediocre at foreign events for whatever reason. I'd wager Zest doesn't do half as well as Taeja even if he went abroad as much.
Foreign events I'd say hold less weight but they are still highly notable and in Taeja's case he's done profoundly well enough in them to deserve considerable recognition. Not only that, but in general Taeja has never really degraded to the level of being a subpar player since making code S. Even wayyy back before his gsl days in 2011 he was known as the Korean weekly bonjwa online. He is one of the most consistent players and has performed well in team leagues, gsl, online, and mentioned foreign events especially. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.
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On June 18 2014 07:28 syroz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 06:35 LingBlingBling wrote:On June 18 2014 05:43 Ribbon wrote:With this win, Taeja now has 10 Premiere Championships, and 19 medals. MVP has 9 PT wins and 18 medals. He's making a serious case for himself as Greatest Of All Time, or at least the King of the Swarm He is a great player no doubt, but he is playing is a much easier environment overall, that's not even up for debate. If Teaja was in Korea doing GSL and in Code S round of 16 or higher AND winning all these oversea events, than you can make some legit claim to that. I mean MC is rank 1 wcs points, but no way in hell is he the same Tier of Protoss as say Zest, MC plays in a easier environment. Oh my god give us a break with GSL. It is stack and maybe harder than the other WCS but not by far. It is not the same as before (when Taeja performed well or MC won). Some of the best players left, it is not the Graal of sc2 players anymore. And why this stupid comparaison anyway? MC is still a beast, Taeja is the best player today. Period.
Hmmmm, are you kidding ? Some old glory left GSL but other (and better) players replace them. Look at Shoutcraft, all the koreans who play in the foreign tournament and seems unbeatable (like Liquid HerO who are on the DH finals) where just crushed by the Kespa players (who are less famous than Taeja and co because they only play PL and GSL, but are in another level).
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lol, the "different kind of tournament" thing is a reaaaaaaaaaal stretch. to each his own opinion, but i think saying taeja is better at a different kind of league is like saying a minor league baseball player is better at minor league baseball than major leaguers. if he were better at anything he would be in the major leagues 
only difference is yes, there is a reason to play in foreign tournaments - money and global exposure. and those ARE good reasons. but you can't just ignore the fact that one league has a higher average and maximum skill level than any other. it's the premier starcraft league in the world.
tl;dr i think taeja would do well in gsl and he's a great player, but saying he's the best player in the world is wishful thinking. you can't prove that without competing in korea. and i think a lot of people are discounting that when a player like taeja plays against weaker competition, he WILL look better than he really is because of the juxtaposition and skill gap
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Taeja dominating in the summer once again!
The more things change, the more they stay the same!
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France9034 Posts
Clutch performance by Taeja!
We definitely needed a T winner in those dark times 
Now IT'S YOUR TURN MARU!
Also, get out with GSL/Other environment comparison. Taeja dominated and displayed awesome level of play, period. And he would give any GSL player a run for his money, if not a really tough challenge.
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+ He beats players who beat gsl players too, so I don't get all the fuse. The highest level is very homogenous anyway.
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I love everything about this thread. TAEJA!
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Did noone notice how bad the finals actually was? Both players seemed quite tired, there were obvious mistakes on both sides in losing units unnecesarily and in the end, it was a pretty one-sided beating because hero did significantly more of such mistakes. I like both of them and the hype and the storyline was fun, but the actual games were really lame.
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Poland3752 Posts
On June 18 2014 01:27 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 17:43 nimdil wrote:On June 17 2014 17:08 KatatoniK wrote:
Only a mere paragraph for the force that is Champagnejwa? Disappointing!
TvC aside, TaeJa was a monster, watching that final as a Protoss player was saddening. No matter how hard he tried there was nothing HerO could do in any of those games, he even made Jaedong look like a gold league player.
Can't wait for Autumn when the natural Taeja nerf patch goes through again. Last autumn TaeJa won DH Bucharest (september) and HSC VIII & DH Winter (november). Unless autumn = October, I don't see a nerf. He is adapting to lengthen his period of dominance. Soon nothing will stop him.
Yea, there will be two seasons in a year: Summer of TaeJa and Spring Break :O
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I thought Hero played like crap in the final against Taeja. Not sure what happened but he sure messed up a lot. Perhaps Taeja would have one anyway but not this stomping he did. It felt arranged somehow with the sloppyness of Hero.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 19 2014 00:57 theninjin wrote:
I thought Hero played like crap in the final against Taeja. Not sure what happened but he sure messed up a lot. Perhaps Taeja would have one anyway but not this stomping he did. It felt arranged somehow with the sloppyness of Hero.
do you think there was collusion between Taeja and JD? How about Taeja and Patience? He stomped them even harder.
Point is Taeja stomped everyone last weekend. Making some kind of baseless suggestion that two Liquid players fixed the finals is not only pretty silly, it is also certainly insulting to the team. There is a 0% chance that the match was fixed.
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TaeJa excels at performing strongly in ad-hoc play weekend tournaments where you cannot prepare extensively for your opponents as you can in GSL for instance. There are probably not many other Korean players that would perform on par or better in such an environment. Anyways, great run again for him this summer, hopefully he'll not retire too soon.
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Taeja needs to watch some Youtube videos on how to beat the Champagne boss
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On June 19 2014 01:07 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 00:57 theninjin wrote:
I thought Hero played like crap in the final against Taeja. Not sure what happened but he sure messed up a lot. Perhaps Taeja would have one anyway but not this stomping he did. It felt arranged somehow with the sloppyness of Hero. do you think there was collusion between Taeja and JD? How about Taeja and Patience? He stomped them even harder. Point is Taeja stomped everyone last weekend. Making some kind of baseless suggestion that two Liquid players fixed the finals is not only pretty silly, it is also certainly insulting to the team. There is a 0% chance that the match was fixed.
Not to mention Taeja vs HerO Game 2 was the closest (imo) that Taeja came to dropping a map all tournament long
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