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Honestly, I think every player should receive the same amount. If Koreans need more compensation for their flights because they live miles and miles away, then there is actually a tournament in their own country (GSL) for them to compete in! [<-- not a serious argument] Plus, Major is still outside of the country and needs an international flight.
But, Major should just try and be smart about this. If he complains (personally) to ESL/whoever the hell about it, I'd be a bit surprised if they didn't decide to cough up the rest of the costs, as Major is (currently) the only North American in the Ro16. He probably brings in quite a few views for that.
If they don't decide to cover the costs, however, I am 100% certain that he could crowd-fund the rest quite easily. I'd pay a couple $'s to guarantee seeing Major in the Ro16, even if he did get knocked out from the get-go, and I almost never pay any money for e-sports stuff.
On another note entirely... I wonder why Major hasn't joined a team again or tried to pick up sponsors, as he still clearly plays the game actively. I can understand not wanting to have to deal with the shit that comes with a team, but if you want to keep playing the game, I imagine a team helps to sustain that...
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On June 05 2014 00:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] But you'll have to get us another regular Korean tournament to play in then.
What do you prefer: Two tournaments with same prizepool or one tournament with double prizepool?
Blizzard did the latter for WCS KR 2014. I think Blizzard should put another 1/3 prizepool to WCS KR2014.
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On June 05 2014 00:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses... Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating. Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money. Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000. If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700. If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700. He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument. His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing). The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them. He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began. MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
It's all fair to me that Koreans get support to come and play the WCS, just one question, don't you think that the cap should be the same for every country out of US/Canada? I mean if suddenly South of Argentina become the place where the best players come from, their expenses will be high as well, maybe not Korea high, but way more than NA high. MajOr won his spot fair and square as well, shouldn't he get the same support as your players?
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China6330 Posts
On June 05 2014 01:11 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 00:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses... Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating. Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money. Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000. If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700. If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700. He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument. His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing). The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them. He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began. MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone. It's all fair to me that Koreans get support to come and play the WCS, just one question, don't you think that the cap should be the same for every country out of US/Canada? I mean if suddenly South of Argentina become the place where the best players come from, their expenses will be high as well, maybe not Korea high, but way more than NA high. MajOr won his spot fair and square as well, shouldn't he get the same support as your players?
The Korean players gets the flight support because they are players who qualified, not because they are Koreans, and it's steel fact that flying from Korea or China costs more than flying from Mexico or Florida. Also did the Koreans get "more" support? No as far as I know the stipend Blizzard provides only covers part of the flight cost for Koreans and Chinese as well, they will have to pay the rest out of their pocket as well and pay much much more, unless you are really really lucky and found something like 950$ round trip (last year it took me over a week to find a 970$ round trip ticket for my Blizzcon travel, the majority of prices I found were around 1100-1300$, and that's not even direct flight), expect a 500$ payment while Major only have to pay like 200 tops. That's completely unnecessary complain out there.
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On June 05 2014 01:19 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 01:11 LeLfe wrote:On June 05 2014 00:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses... Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating. Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money. Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000. If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700. If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700. He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument. His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing). The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them. He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began. MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone. It's all fair to me that Koreans get support to come and play the WCS, just one question, don't you think that the cap should be the same for every country out of US/Canada? I mean if suddenly South of Argentina become the place where the best players come from, their expenses will be high as well, maybe not Korea high, but way more than NA high. MajOr won his spot fair and square as well, shouldn't he get the same support as your players? The Korean players gets the flight support because they are players who qualified, not because they are Koreans, and it's steel fact that flying from Korea or China costs more than flying from Mexico or Florida. Also did the Koreans get "more" support? No as far as I know the stipend Blizzard provides only covers part of the flight cost for Koreans and Chinese as well, they will have to pay the rest out of their pocket as well and pay much much more, unless you are really really lucky and found something like 950$ round trip (last year it took me over a week to find a 970$ round trip ticket for my Blizzcon travel, the majority of prices I found were around 1100-1300$, and that's not even direct flight), expect a 500$ payment while Major only have to pay like 200 tops. That's completely unnecessary complain out there.
What he said. I would be very surprised if MajOrs flight actually cost more than $500 from Mexico, though I don't know exactly where he lives in the country. If we get a flight from Korea to LA for under $1000, then we got lucky.
What do you prefer: Two tournaments with same prizepool or one tournament with double prizepool?
Blizzard did the latter for WCS KR 2014. I think Blizzard should put another 1/3 prizepool to WCS KR2014.
Two tournaments with same prizepool. I've made it clear that the top heavy approach they went with for GSL is in my opinion ridiculous.
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Terran whoop whoop
Let's go Bomber
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Is he serious?
SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iO8L0f6.png)
I don't even............. *sigh* - - -
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They are completely legit. We've used those services before (though we've had the most luck and best service with Cheapoair for flights for our players).
Like I said I dunno where he lives in Mexico, but I cannot conceive a situation where his flight would actually cost over $500. His tweets indicate he has no idea what he is talking about, making claims like Blizzard said only NA players will get flight stipends which as of the 2014 season is completely false. He's acting up for whatever reason, it's a complete non-issue.
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On June 05 2014 01:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 01:19 digmouse wrote:On June 05 2014 01:11 LeLfe wrote:On June 05 2014 00:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses... Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating. Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money. Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000. If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700. If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700. He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument. His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing). The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them. He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began. MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone. It's all fair to me that Koreans get support to come and play the WCS, just one question, don't you think that the cap should be the same for every country out of US/Canada? I mean if suddenly South of Argentina become the place where the best players come from, their expenses will be high as well, maybe not Korea high, but way more than NA high. MajOr won his spot fair and square as well, shouldn't he get the same support as your players? The Korean players gets the flight support because they are players who qualified, not because they are Koreans, and it's steel fact that flying from Korea or China costs more than flying from Mexico or Florida. Also did the Koreans get "more" support? No as far as I know the stipend Blizzard provides only covers part of the flight cost for Koreans and Chinese as well, they will have to pay the rest out of their pocket as well and pay much much more, unless you are really really lucky and found something like 950$ round trip (last year it took me over a week to find a 970$ round trip ticket for my Blizzcon travel, the majority of prices I found were around 1100-1300$, and that's not even direct flight), expect a 500$ payment while Major only have to pay like 200 tops. That's completely unnecessary complain out there. What he said. I would be very surprised if MajOrs flight actually cost more than $500 from Mexico, though I don't know exactly where he lives in the country. If we get a flight from Korea to LA for under $1000, then we got lucky. Show nested quote +What do you prefer: Two tournaments with same prizepool or one tournament with double prizepool?
Blizzard did the latter for WCS KR 2014. I think Blizzard should put another 1/3 prizepool to WCS KR2014. Two tournaments with same prizepool. I've made it clear that the top heavy approach they went with for GSL is in my opinion ridiculous.
IIRC either the players or the GSL itself requested that particular prize pool set up, I don't think Blizz had anything to do with it.
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On June 05 2014 01:48 zanga wrote:Is he serious? SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376 I don't even............. *sigh* - - -
Are we sure that he even lives in Mexico City?
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so glad to see USA player advance - too many koreans already
polt fighting !!!
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I was going to post a wall, but decided to just mention that i don't think american players suck, and i don't think everyone must play on Code S level to provide entertainment. I also wanna see players from all over the world on diverse competitions. I would rather see a few top 400 korean retiring than see the best american players retiring because all tournaments are played by the same koreans.
Let's try to secure a place for as much people as possible, otherwise SC2 will fade away fast as an Esport.
Got a little of topic, im not defending Major here.
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On June 05 2014 01:09 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 00:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] But you'll have to get us another regular Korean tournament to play in then. What do you prefer: Two tournaments with same prizepool or one tournament with double prizepool? Blizzard did the latter for WCS KR 2014. I think Blizzard should put another 1/3 prizepool to WCS KR2014.
Putting more prize money at the top of WCS KR doesn't help the huge number of highly talented Koreans make a living off of Starcraft. If you increase prize money for GSL and move all the Koreans from the other WCS regions, you have probably over 100 Premier League (in EU and AM) worthy Koreans fighting for the top spots and fewer of them could make this their career.
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I'm surprised that you are able to find flights close to $1000.
With the time constrains you have between when your player qualifies to go to events should make it very tough for you.
Personally the round-trip flights I can take between Michigan and Korea cost me close to 1500 on average.
I don't know what could possibly make Major's trip that expensive.
A week of all inclusive hotel (open bar and 3 restaurant meals) + flight to Cancun cost me $550 in 2009.
I get that the costs to stay couple nights in the US might me a bit more expensive, but I doubt that it would cost him $300 more.
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Dem, MajOr did it, he's still a childish moddafocka, sigh...
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On June 05 2014 02:10 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 01:48 zanga wrote:Is he serious? SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376 I don't even............. *sigh* - - - Are we sure that he even lives in Mexico City?
I have no idea about Atlanta to LA flights prices, but i wouldn't be surprised if Polt trip is be as expensive as major one, and yet we haven't heard any complain from captain america
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On June 05 2014 04:21 Pino wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 02:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 05 2014 01:48 zanga wrote:Is he serious? SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376 I don't even............. *sigh* - - - Are we sure that he even lives in Mexico City? I have no idea about Atlanta to LA flights prices, but i wouldn't be surprised if Polt trip is be as expensive as major one, and yet we haven't heard any complain from captain america
Polt is in Atlanta? When did this happen?
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On June 05 2014 01:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:They are completely legit. We've used those services before (though we've had the most luck and best service with Cheapoair for flights for our players). Like I said I dunno where he lives in Mexico, but I cannot conceive a situation where his flight would actually cost over $500. His tweets indicate he has no idea what he is talking about, making claims like Blizzard said only NA players will get flight stipends which as of the 2014 season is completely false. He's acting up for whatever reason, it's a complete non-issue.
He could drive for less than that if he really wanted to cheap out on it.
Non-issue. Gratz to MajOr, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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On June 05 2014 04:27 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:21 Pino wrote:On June 05 2014 02:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 05 2014 01:48 zanga wrote:Is he serious? SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376 I don't even............. *sigh* - - - Are we sure that he even lives in Mexico City? I have no idea about Atlanta to LA flights prices, but i wouldn't be surprised if Polt trip is be as expensive as major one, and yet we haven't heard any complain from captain america Polt is in Atlanta? When did this happen?
Apparently since he finished school in Texas, he's been living in Atlanta with violet
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