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Polt, MajOr advance from Group G of WCS AM Ro32

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
June 04 2014 10:15 GMT
#1
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(T)CMStorm_Polt and (T)MajOr put some of the "America" back into WCS America, advancing out of Group G in the round of 32.

Two-time WCS America champion Polt showed that CMStorm was right to extend his contract, taking first place in his group. Though MajOr put the heat on Polt in an intense, split-map game on Habitation Station, Polt seemed largely untroubled on the whole as he went a perfect 4-0 on maps.

MajOr came through in second place with wins over the group's Chinese duo of (Z)ZOO.Courage and (P)iG.MacSed. MajOr was able to see through MacSed's phoenix-colossus style in his initial series, toppling MacSed by attacking him before he could reach critical mass. In the final match, MajOr survived Courage's waves of banelings to earn a spot in the Ro16.


Next game day -
Group H:
(P)Arthur, (Z)Suppy, (Z)XiGua, (Z)Sen

Players qualified for Ro16:
(P)Pigbaby, (P)Oz, (P)Alicia
(Z)Revival, (Z)NesTea, (Z)viOLet, (Z)Check, (Z)HyuN, (Z)TooDming
(T)Bomber, (T)TaeJa, (T)Heart, (T)Polt, (T)MajOr
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1929 Posts
June 04 2014 10:24 GMT
#2
Heey, terrans making it through!
Buff the siegetank
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
June 04 2014 10:29 GMT
#3
A North American made it through! VIVA MEXICO!

Now gogo Suppy, let's get another one!
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 04 2014 10:33 GMT
#4
yay!
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
June 04 2014 10:47 GMT
#5
I can see Major getting through his second group if he doesn't get stuck with two of the top-tier Koreans (the Terrans...). He actually played a fairly close series between Polt, with a pretty back-and-forth game 2, so who knows!

I don't expect Suppy to go through, but he's been in Korea hasn't he? That might be what he needed! I think Arthur will be first, but if Suppy's ZvZ is in good shape, he could definitely take 2nd.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12680 Posts
June 04 2014 10:49 GMT
#6
Well just saw reddit post about major might not go because he doesn't want to pay for the flight.
Not sure if this is good news anymore
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
June 04 2014 10:54 GMT
#7
hey. idk what you ppl saying but mexico to los angeles flight cost around 600-650 and its supposed to be covered as they said that all transportation would be covered for NA players. but than they told me only 500$ so im not paying 150 + possible 200 of taxis from airport. especially when i hear that kr players get 1k covered. when they said korean players wouldnt get their shit covered.


here
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
June 04 2014 10:56 GMT
#8
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...
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Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
June 04 2014 11:29 GMT
#9
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...


Let's just say it takes Juan, to know Juan.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
June 04 2014 11:38 GMT
#10
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...

Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating.

Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money.
Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000.
If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700.
If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700.

He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument.
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HoZBlooddrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Italy324 Posts
June 04 2014 11:48 GMT
#11
wow

awsome to see major in there :D
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 11:56:31
June 04 2014 11:54 GMT
#12
I am sure they have calculated about $16k travel compensation if all 16 are nonNA. So now they have a NA player and suddenly they dont want to pay $16k? Highly illogical.

Edit: @Lonyo, you forgot another travel for Ro8.
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rafaliusz
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland482 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 12:28:14
June 04 2014 11:57 GMT
#13
Wow, MajOr has been a beast for the last couple of weeks. It would be a shame if he doesn't participate in the RO16. WCS NA have to get their shit together and pay for his flight.
ThorPool
Profile Joined February 2014
Panama145 Posts
June 04 2014 12:05 GMT
#14
Sad that such a good player has such a bad chice of words :/ He should have written the organizers a Email,explaining the situation... http://i.imgur.com/hnlNsJi.png
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Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
June 04 2014 12:09 GMT
#15
OMG! Awesome, there is actually a player from the american continent in the Ro16 WCS NA.
Congrats to MajOr ! I can understand his complains here, it is WCS NA, they dont really pay the Koreans more than someone from America ? That is a shame !
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Eliv
Profile Joined March 2014
Czech Republic32 Posts
June 04 2014 12:19 GMT
#16
I'm just happy it's not such a protoss-fest like WCS EU. Go Bomber, Taeja, Polt and Heart!
djraphi23
Profile Joined August 2013
France2262 Posts
June 04 2014 12:20 GMT
#17
I was happy he qualified, but now I almost regret it ...
Complaining publicly, showing chat log... This is not how you behave.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
June 04 2014 12:25 GMT
#18
In a world devoid of foreign Terran success, Juan Carlos Tena Lopez is a shining beacon of hope.

Great Mech play from him today.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33528 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 12:55:13
June 04 2014 12:54 GMT
#19
whoops, wrong thread

anyway I hope WCS ends up paying for major D:
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blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
June 04 2014 13:21 GMT
#20
Nice result. Glad to see the Terrans making it through.
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Betelgeuse
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada210 Posts
June 04 2014 13:31 GMT
#21
Just how I wanted this group to go - 2 Terran and 1 foreigner make it out! Couldn't be more happy :D
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 04 2014 14:24 GMT
#22
not so yay anymore
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
June 04 2014 14:32 GMT
#23
TEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
June 04 2014 14:38 GMT
#24
Seriously more so than WCS behaving badly(which is true) this is even worse by Major.
He should have contacted WCS instead of just whining publically asking for attention and practically begging for money. Feel bad for the Chinese guys now that would have had to pay more from their own pocket but who were willing to do so to play Starcraft.
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Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
June 04 2014 14:43 GMT
#25
On June 04 2014 23:38 Shuffleblade wrote:
Seriously more so than WCS behaving badly(which is true) this is even worse by Major.
He should have contacted WCS instead of just whining publically asking for attention and practically begging for money. Feel bad for the Chinese guys now that would have had to pay more from their own pocket but who were willing to do so to play Starcraft.


Maybe he did contact them and they refused to help anymore
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 04 2014 14:50 GMT
#26
Great by major to advance, of course this is a complaint, but not only is this complaint legitimate (can't imagine him earning much) he could also decline to compete, and then people would just badmouth him more...well, fucked if you pay, and fucked if you don't. When it comes to money especially, everyone has a right to voice their opinion on how much they're willing to fork out.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 15:00:12
June 04 2014 14:53 GMT
#27
On June 04 2014 23:43 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 23:38 Shuffleblade wrote:
Seriously more so than WCS behaving badly(which is true) this is even worse by Major.
He should have contacted WCS instead of just whining publically asking for attention and practically begging for money. Feel bad for the Chinese guys now that would have had to pay more from their own pocket but who were willing to do so to play Starcraft.


Maybe he did contact them and they refused to help anymore

Refused to help with what though? There's travel stipends for the tournament he is participating in and he chose to participate.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
June 04 2014 15:00 GMT
#28
On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...

Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs


well, yes, but it'd be absurdly daft to not go. he's just won $1k, and even if he's estimating that he'd have to fork out $250 of his own cash, then a) he's just won $1k and b) if he's better than a 7-1 shot to qualify it's +EV to go

of course if there wasn't this obsession with playing so much offline, it wouldn't be a problem
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 15:13:11
June 04 2014 15:10 GMT
#29
On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...

Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating.

Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money.
Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000.
If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700.
If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700.

He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument.

The travel stipends are for travel and as travel for Koreans is more expensive there's a bigger stipend there. If instead of stipends they paid for flights then they would be spending more as well on the long distance flights. The stipends are meant to resemble that situation. I am sincerely confused by him having an issue with this since it was decided before the season started and certainly way before he qualified.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 04 2014 15:21 GMT
#30
On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...

Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating.

Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money.
Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000.
If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700.
If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700.

He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument.


His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing).

The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them.

He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began.

MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
June 04 2014 15:31 GMT
#31
Damn, I'm sad good foreigners are usually asses... I wish this tweet is against Blizzard behavior policy.
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:09:36
June 04 2014 15:32 GMT
#32
He should just go, since he gets more money anyway, Esports organizations are not making piles of money so i understand if they are a little cheap.
*edited: So he was well aware that only 500$ would be covered, nothing to complain about.
If he does not go, he should get prize money as if he was eliminated in round of 32, its only fair.
Also, its great that round of 16 is offline since the lag was terrible in round of 32.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 04 2014 15:35 GMT
#33
that's the reason why less stipends should be given to koreans. it's not practical in any shape or form to fly 12+ of them over to america for the ro16. as a result this will disincentivise them (well, not all of them) from participating in WCS NA, meaning that more money can be allocated to actual americans.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
AKAvg
Profile Joined April 2014
Brazil298 Posts
June 04 2014 15:36 GMT
#34
On June 04 2014 22:21 blacksheepwall wrote:
Nice result. Glad to see the Terrans making it through.


There are almost twice as much terrans compared to protoss in Ro16 (5 to 3)
If 2 zergs (out of 3) advance in the next group, half of the Ro16 will be zergs.

But I guess people will continue to complain about toss nonetheless
Mifoi123
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada42 Posts
June 04 2014 15:38 GMT
#35
So, you are telling me that MajOr knew before the competition started that the travel expenses were $500 for NA and now after qualifying he wants ESL to give him more money because... because what? He knew before hand!!!
I hope that if he does not go to the Ro16, ESL will not give him his prize money of $3000 because he will have forfeited and only give him the $2000 he already won! You have to show up and compete to get the $3000. A deal is a deal, you can not ask for more money after you qualify! Who does he think he is??? I WAS rooting for him but i'm not anymore!
I'd like to help! :)
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 15:44:02
June 04 2014 15:43 GMT
#36
On June 05 2014 00:35 shadymmj wrote:
that's the reason why less stipends should be given to koreans. it's not practical in any shape or form to fly 12+ of them over to america for the ro16. as a result this will disincentivise them (well, not all of them) from participating in WCS NA, meaning that more money can be allocated to actual americans.


Except the Americans aren't good enough to deserve it. Don't get me wrong I was in favour of region lock when we started but it's too far gone now not to have massive consequences.

My guys are better than any American, so they should get punished for that and we as a team should get massively burdened with flight costs just because the American players couldn't keep up? WCS America is too far gone, it's GSL2 now. Teams are cash-strapped as it is, removing support does nothing but relegate a bunch of Korean players to Code B because there are too many good players in Korea and not enough tournaments for them to play in. Teams like Axiom and Liquid should not be punished just because America sucks at Starcraft and Blizzard agreed with us which is why they gave us stipends this year.

I dunno man, maybe if MajOr wanted to be in a better financial situation he shouldn't have forfeited SHOUTcraft America Winter mid-series and in doing so basically killed the future of the tournament. No sympathy from me, sorry.
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 04 2014 15:48 GMT
#37
the question goes back to how many koreans do we need playing starcraft in NA. I think 3-4 big names are good, but certainly not 12+. what is good for the scene is the scenario of mostly americans playing in WCS NA, although let's be frank, their chances of winning the top prize are still slim.

"deserve" is an iffy word. it's like asking how many people deserve american citizenship.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 15:51:45
June 04 2014 15:51 GMT
#38
On June 05 2014 00:48 shadymmj wrote:
the question goes back to how many koreans do we need playing starcraft in NA. I think 3-4 big names are good, but certainly not 12+. what is good for the scene is the scenario of mostly americans playing in WCS NA, although let's be frank, their chances of winning the top prize are still slim.

"deserve" is an iffy word. it's like asking how many people deserve american citizenship.


How many bad American players do we need taking spots from hard-working Korean players?

Don't get me wrong, I think there should be a tournament that is all-American (I tried to make one, MajOr forfeited it), but that can't be WCS NA anymore, it's too far gone. All you do is disenfranchise a bunch of people that worked hard to get there (sorry, but all my guys qualified fair and square, vs the Americans in 2013 S1 who were seeded in for free) and replace them with players who are worse at the game than they are.

If you want an American tournament, great. But you'll have to get us another regular Korean tournament to play in then.
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
June 04 2014 15:58 GMT
#39
Keep on truckin', Polt. All the way to another championship.
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ThorPool
Profile Joined February 2014
Panama145 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:05:00
June 04 2014 16:00 GMT
#40
I would pay more to go visit Los Angeles T_T I mean I paid more to Fly to Mexico.
He has the chance to fly,to make some holiday AND to play to win even more money....... I just do not understand his mindset

Forgot: GO POLT !!!
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:09:14
June 04 2014 16:06 GMT
#41
Honestly, I think every player should receive the same amount. If Koreans need more compensation for their flights because they live miles and miles away, then there is actually a tournament in their own country (GSL) for them to compete in! [<-- not a serious argument] Plus, Major is still outside of the country and needs an international flight.

But, Major should just try and be smart about this. If he complains (personally) to ESL/whoever the hell about it, I'd be a bit surprised if they didn't decide to cough up the rest of the costs, as Major is (currently) the only North American in the Ro16. He probably brings in quite a few views for that.

If they don't decide to cover the costs, however, I am 100% certain that he could crowd-fund the rest quite easily. I'd pay a couple $'s to guarantee seeing Major in the Ro16, even if he did get knocked out from the get-go, and I almost never pay any money for e-sports stuff.

On another note entirely... I wonder why Major hasn't joined a team again or tried to pick up sponsors, as he still clearly plays the game actively. I can understand not wanting to have to deal with the shit that comes with a team, but if you want to keep playing the game, I imagine a team helps to sustain that...
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
June 04 2014 16:09 GMT
#42
On June 05 2014 00:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] But you'll have to get us another regular Korean tournament to play in then.

What do you prefer: Two tournaments with same prizepool or one tournament with double prizepool?
Blizzard did the latter for WCS KR 2014. I think Blizzard should put another 1/3 prizepool to WCS KR2014.
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LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
June 04 2014 16:11 GMT
#43
On June 05 2014 00:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...

Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating.

Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money.
Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000.
If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700.
If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700.

He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument.


His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing).

The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them.

He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began.

MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone.


It's all fair to me that Koreans get support to come and play the WCS, just one question, don't you think that the cap should be the same for every country out of US/Canada? I mean if suddenly South of Argentina become the place where the best players come from, their expenses will be high as well, maybe not Korea high, but way more than NA high. MajOr won his spot fair and square as well, shouldn't he get the same support as your players?
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:20:51
June 04 2014 16:19 GMT
#44
On June 05 2014 01:11 LeLfe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 00:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...

Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating.

Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money.
Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000.
If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700.
If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700.

He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument.


His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing).

The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them.

He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began.

MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone.


It's all fair to me that Koreans get support to come and play the WCS, just one question, don't you think that the cap should be the same for every country out of US/Canada? I mean if suddenly South of Argentina become the place where the best players come from, their expenses will be high as well, maybe not Korea high, but way more than NA high. MajOr won his spot fair and square as well, shouldn't he get the same support as your players?

The Korean players gets the flight support because they are players who qualified, not because they are Koreans, and it's steel fact that flying from Korea or China costs more than flying from Mexico or Florida. Also did the Koreans get "more" support? No as far as I know the stipend Blizzard provides only covers part of the flight cost for Koreans and Chinese as well, they will have to pay the rest out of their pocket as well and pay much much more, unless you are really really lucky and found something like 950$ round trip (last year it took me over a week to find a 970$ round trip ticket for my Blizzcon travel, the majority of prices I found were around 1100-1300$, and that's not even direct flight), expect a 500$ payment while Major only have to pay like 200 tops. That's completely unnecessary complain out there.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:28:36
June 04 2014 16:27 GMT
#45
On June 05 2014 01:19 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 01:11 LeLfe wrote:
On June 05 2014 00:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...

Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating.

Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money.
Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000.
If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700.
If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700.

He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument.


His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing).

The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them.

He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began.

MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone.


It's all fair to me that Koreans get support to come and play the WCS, just one question, don't you think that the cap should be the same for every country out of US/Canada? I mean if suddenly South of Argentina become the place where the best players come from, their expenses will be high as well, maybe not Korea high, but way more than NA high. MajOr won his spot fair and square as well, shouldn't he get the same support as your players?

The Korean players gets the flight support because they are players who qualified, not because they are Koreans, and it's steel fact that flying from Korea or China costs more than flying from Mexico or Florida. Also did the Koreans get "more" support? No as far as I know the stipend Blizzard provides only covers part of the flight cost for Koreans and Chinese as well, they will have to pay the rest out of their pocket as well and pay much much more, unless you are really really lucky and found something like 950$ round trip (last year it took me over a week to find a 970$ round trip ticket for my Blizzcon travel, the majority of prices I found were around 1100-1300$, and that's not even direct flight), expect a 500$ payment while Major only have to pay like 200 tops. That's completely unnecessary complain out there.


What he said. I would be very surprised if MajOrs flight actually cost more than $500 from Mexico, though I don't know exactly where he lives in the country. If we get a flight from Korea to LA for under $1000, then we got lucky.

What do you prefer: Two tournaments with same prizepool or one tournament with double prizepool?
Blizzard did the latter for WCS KR 2014. I think Blizzard should put another 1/3 prizepool to WCS KR2014.


Two tournaments with same prizepool. I've made it clear that the top heavy approach they went with for GSL is in my opinion ridiculous.
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TheRaggedyMan
Profile Joined May 2014
3 Posts
June 04 2014 16:38 GMT
#46
Terran whoop whoop
Let's go Bomber
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
June 04 2014 16:48 GMT
#47
http://www.orbitz.com/flights/from-Mexico_City-to-Los_Angeles.o30682.d4309/
http://flights.expedia.com/flights-from-mexico-city-to-los-angeles-mex-to-lax/
Plus I don't think it will cost him well over 500$ according to these. I could be wrong since I have no idea how legit these are.
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zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:57:58
June 04 2014 16:48 GMT
#48
Is he serious?

SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376

[image loading]


I don't even............. *sigh* - - -
(:
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:53:34
June 04 2014 16:51 GMT
#49
On June 05 2014 01:48 digmouse wrote:
http://www.orbitz.com/flights/from-Mexico_City-to-Los_Angeles.o30682.d4309/
http://flights.expedia.com/flights-from-mexico-city-to-los-angeles-mex-to-lax/
Plus I don't think it will cost him well over 500$ according to these. I could be wrong since I have no idea how legit these are.


They are completely legit. We've used those services before (though we've had the most luck and best service with Cheapoair for flights for our players).

Like I said I dunno where he lives in Mexico, but I cannot conceive a situation where his flight would actually cost over $500. His tweets indicate he has no idea what he is talking about, making claims like Blizzard said only NA players will get flight stipends which as of the 2014 season is completely false. He's acting up for whatever reason, it's a complete non-issue.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
June 04 2014 17:09 GMT
#50
On June 05 2014 01:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 01:19 digmouse wrote:
On June 05 2014 01:11 LeLfe wrote:
On June 05 2014 00:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 04 2014 20:38 Lonyo wrote:
On June 04 2014 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
Why is Major always complaining? After the loss against Taeja he raged on the forum, yesterday he complained about the format before even starting the games, now that he won he complains about expenses...

Pretty legit complaint if they are giving Koreans more than Americans as a stipend for their costs, considering the competition is trying to reduce the number of Koreans participating.

Major ends up paying out of his own pocket for only the potential of an increase in prize money.
Currently as a top 16 player he gets $2000.
If he travels and loses, he gets $2000 less $300 for his expenses, or $1700.
If he travels and wins he gets $3000 less $300 for his costs or $2700.

He's guaranteed to spend $300 or w/e travelling, he's not guaranteed to earn money from doing so, is his argument.


His complaint is not in any way legit. It costs more for Koreans to travel, it's a massive burden on the teams. WCS had NO support for Koreans travelling outside of Korea last year, meaning Axiom racked up over $15,000 in flights. $1,000 doesn't cover the whole thing unless we get lucky either, but it's a damn sight better than what we got last year (nothing).

The competition really isn't trying to reduce the number of Koreans, it's only trying to slow down the rate at which they qualify. American players aren't good enough to compete against the Koreans which is why there are so few left in the competition, as a result Blizzard decided not to fuck over the teams and players that had earned their way into that tournament by qualifying. Good for them.

He also knew from the very start of this season what the levels of compensation were, since they were given out to everyone before Season 1 qualifiers even began.

MajOr whines, it's what he does, this shouldn't surprise anyone.


It's all fair to me that Koreans get support to come and play the WCS, just one question, don't you think that the cap should be the same for every country out of US/Canada? I mean if suddenly South of Argentina become the place where the best players come from, their expenses will be high as well, maybe not Korea high, but way more than NA high. MajOr won his spot fair and square as well, shouldn't he get the same support as your players?

The Korean players gets the flight support because they are players who qualified, not because they are Koreans, and it's steel fact that flying from Korea or China costs more than flying from Mexico or Florida. Also did the Koreans get "more" support? No as far as I know the stipend Blizzard provides only covers part of the flight cost for Koreans and Chinese as well, they will have to pay the rest out of their pocket as well and pay much much more, unless you are really really lucky and found something like 950$ round trip (last year it took me over a week to find a 970$ round trip ticket for my Blizzcon travel, the majority of prices I found were around 1100-1300$, and that's not even direct flight), expect a 500$ payment while Major only have to pay like 200 tops. That's completely unnecessary complain out there.


What he said. I would be very surprised if MajOrs flight actually cost more than $500 from Mexico, though I don't know exactly where he lives in the country. If we get a flight from Korea to LA for under $1000, then we got lucky.

Show nested quote +
What do you prefer: Two tournaments with same prizepool or one tournament with double prizepool?
Blizzard did the latter for WCS KR 2014. I think Blizzard should put another 1/3 prizepool to WCS KR2014.


Two tournaments with same prizepool. I've made it clear that the top heavy approach they went with for GSL is in my opinion ridiculous.


IIRC either the players or the GSL itself requested that particular prize pool set up, I don't think Blizz had anything to do with it.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
June 04 2014 17:10 GMT
#51
On June 05 2014 01:48 zanga wrote:
Is he serious?

SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376

[image loading]


I don't even............. *sigh* - - -


Are we sure that he even lives in Mexico City?
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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 04 2014 17:15 GMT
#52
so glad to see USA player advance - too many koreans already

polt fighting !!!
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 17:43:33
June 04 2014 17:38 GMT
#53
I was going to post a wall, but decided to just mention that i don't think american players suck, and i don't think everyone must play on Code S level to provide entertainment. I also wanna see players from all over the world on diverse competitions. I would rather see a few top 400 korean retiring than see the best american players retiring because all tournaments are played by the same koreans.
Let's try to secure a place for as much people as possible, otherwise SC2 will fade away fast as an Esport.
Got a little of topic, im not defending Major here.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 17:47:43
June 04 2014 17:47 GMT
#54
On June 05 2014 01:09 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 00:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[...] But you'll have to get us another regular Korean tournament to play in then.

What do you prefer: Two tournaments with same prizepool or one tournament with double prizepool?
Blizzard did the latter for WCS KR 2014. I think Blizzard should put another 1/3 prizepool to WCS KR2014.

Putting more prize money at the top of WCS KR doesn't help the huge number of highly talented Koreans make a living off of Starcraft. If you increase prize money for GSL and move all the Koreans from the other WCS regions, you have probably over 100 Premier League (in EU and AM) worthy Koreans fighting for the top spots and fewer of them could make this their career.
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yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 19:06:05
June 04 2014 19:04 GMT
#55
@TB
I'm surprised that you are able to find flights close to $1000.
With the time constrains you have between when your player qualifies to go to events should make it very tough for you.
Personally the round-trip flights I can take between Michigan and Korea cost me close to 1500 on average.

I don't know what could possibly make Major's trip that expensive.
A week of all inclusive hotel (open bar and 3 restaurant meals) + flight to Cancun cost me $550 in 2009.
I get that the costs to stay couple nights in the US might me a bit more expensive, but I doubt that it would cost him $300 more.
gl hf
KaiserCommander
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico290 Posts
June 04 2014 19:17 GMT
#56
Dem, MajOr did it, he's still a childish moddafocka, sigh...
Jinro, Polt, Bomber, ForGG, MajOr, Flash, Maru. Terran Fighting...
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 19:22:26
June 04 2014 19:21 GMT
#57
On June 05 2014 02:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 01:48 zanga wrote:
Is he serious?

SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376

[image loading]


I don't even............. *sigh* - - -


Are we sure that he even lives in Mexico City?


I have no idea about Atlanta to LA flights prices, but i wouldn't be surprised if Polt trip is be as expensive as major one, and yet we haven't heard any complain from captain america
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
June 04 2014 19:27 GMT
#58
On June 05 2014 04:21 Pino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 02:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 05 2014 01:48 zanga wrote:
Is he serious?

SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376

[image loading]


I don't even............. *sigh* - - -


Are we sure that he even lives in Mexico City?


I have no idea about Atlanta to LA flights prices, but i wouldn't be surprised if Polt trip is be as expensive as major one, and yet we haven't heard any complain from captain america


Polt is in Atlanta? When did this happen?
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 04 2014 20:09 GMT
#59
On June 05 2014 01:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 01:48 digmouse wrote:
http://www.orbitz.com/flights/from-Mexico_City-to-Los_Angeles.o30682.d4309/
http://flights.expedia.com/flights-from-mexico-city-to-los-angeles-mex-to-lax/
Plus I don't think it will cost him well over 500$ according to these. I could be wrong since I have no idea how legit these are.


They are completely legit. We've used those services before (though we've had the most luck and best service with Cheapoair for flights for our players).

Like I said I dunno where he lives in Mexico, but I cannot conceive a situation where his flight would actually cost over $500. His tweets indicate he has no idea what he is talking about, making claims like Blizzard said only NA players will get flight stipends which as of the 2014 season is completely false. He's acting up for whatever reason, it's a complete non-issue.

He could drive for less than that if he really wanted to cheap out on it.

Non-issue. Gratz to MajOr, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
June 04 2014 22:01 GMT
#60
On June 05 2014 04:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 04:21 Pino wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 05 2014 01:48 zanga wrote:
Is he serious?

SNA (Santa Ana airport) is 15 minutes from the center of Anaheim..... for $376

[image loading]


I don't even............. *sigh* - - -


Are we sure that he even lives in Mexico City?


I have no idea about Atlanta to LA flights prices, but i wouldn't be surprised if Polt trip is be as expensive as major one, and yet we haven't heard any complain from captain america


Polt is in Atlanta? When did this happen?


Apparently since he finished school in Texas, he's been living in Atlanta with violet
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