EPTBalance Status Update 4/29/14 - Page 16
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SatedSC2
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SC2Toastie
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:20 SatedSC2 wrote: And I turned off DreamHack once all the Protoss were out. I can't imagine I was the only one. So what..? Ok, good to know! Sadly, it happens to a lot more tournaments that all Terrans go out, than all Protoss going out. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:03 Frex wrote: Because they are afraid to do real changes since it could hurt the careers of professional zerg and protoss players obviously. Blizzard wants foreigners to stay competitive, because it correlates to the popularity of the game in the West. Thus they tend to err on the side of not overbuffing terran. | ||
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juvenal
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27480 Posts
Case with most tournaments for me these days I end up religiously watching the group stages and tune out towards the business end when it's XvX tons of times in a row. Horses for courses I suppose! | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:23 juvenal wrote: Also what's with thor's focus priority? Wouldn't it be nice if mutas became the prior target again? Most of the times I see thors wasting shots at zerglings/whatever because it's hard to always target mutas especially drop-microing thors at the same time. They used to IIRC, was changed for some reason. Talking WOL beta here | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:26 SC2Toastie wrote: They used to IIRC, was changed for some reason. Talking WOL beta here yeah I remember it changing, I think postbeta even. | ||
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SatedSC2
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matthy
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:20 SatedSC2 wrote: And I turned off DreamHack once all the Protoss were out. I can't imagine I was the only one. So what..? You haven't been turning tournament streams off to often though. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:35 SatedSC2 wrote: Well, since you initially spoke about GSL, I'm pretty sure that the GSL numbers are where they are because the previous map-pools have been quite heavily Blink favoured. The maps were designed before two-base Blink all-ins became a thing and that showed. It's going to take a while for that to equalise now that the maps aren't disastrously bad for Terran vs. Blink all-ins. Aside from Blink, I don't see (and have not seen) any convincing arguments that point to something specifically imbalanced about Protoss or Zerg... not that I would claim to understand TvZ enough to judge! How much more convincing do you want, with both winrates being near 45% WHILST the representation is bordering 15%-20%...? | ||
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SatedSC2
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
The bio upgrade change seems a bit futile. First, at the point you're researching Lvl 2 and up, you're not struggling for gas, so you gain like a single marine worth of minerals with both upgrades? It's not doing much. And second, Terran bio doesn't really need a buff, it's fine where it is. Either way, I'm not convinced either of those will help Terran. And I think Terran is way worse off than David Kim lets it sound like in his post. The very best players of Terran haven't been doing shit against the mid-range class of the two other races for like months now. | ||
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
Why change the upgrade cost? Isn't it normal to start them right away? It doesn't really seem like upgrades are such a big deal in this matchup. I've lost count how many times the casters go: 'Terran has the upgrade lead now, this is their advantage!' and then the fight seem to go the same was as they did with 2-2 vs 2-2. This change seems so....useless even? Hellbat change: I love watching bio/mech compositions, but I don't know if this might be to good for those early TvZ pushes. Remember that hellbats can be healed by medivacs aswel. And I don't even want to think about TvT with those mass hellion openings | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:39 SatedSC2 wrote: Aligulac is down for me right now, but I know that the last time I looked the winrates were not at 45%. If you're cherry-picking data from GSL only then I'm not interested in discussing that  Representation (I assume you mean GSL numbers) will take seasons to sort out, and the seasons are hardly short. It took a while for GomTvT to sort itself out even after Terran became balanced. Remember? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9sWlBGg.png) Here you are. Also, with only 8 players in Code S and Code A being openly accesible, it should sort out kinda fast. This season, it stayed the same. | ||
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SatedSC2
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Deleted User 137586
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On April 30 2014 22:50 SatedSC2 wrote: I'm surprised that TvZ is that bad, skirting the edge of that 55% win-rate Blizzard always talk about. TvP seems fine. TvP is not fine if there are literally half the terrans in tournaments (see the PvP, TvT and ZvZ numbers for population). This means that the very best T are barely even with mediocre P players. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:50 SatedSC2 wrote: I'm surprised that TvZ is that bad, skirting the edge of that 55% win-rate Blizzard always talk about. TvP seems fine. Not really, no. Given Terran has had a period of over 4 months now in which every Terran is being slapped down, you may assume only the very best of the best remain at the top. This process should equalize winrates and show itself in reduced representation. The fact that 4 months of weeding out Terran players STILL makes for negative balance is very worrysome. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
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