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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:15 Lorch wrote: Korean pros seem to mainly agree that leaving the game alone is the correct approach And it is indeed, but for that the game needs to be at least in a decent state. There were opportunities like this earlier in HotS but Blizzard kept randomly patching. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:22 Wombat_NI wrote: Careful folks, we have a badass amongst us. Relating back to thread, just watched Bbyongb vs Dark on Waystation, my first experience of that map. Another map that is IMO far, far too big. Can we have less sillily large maps and perhaps we'll see a difference I've written fucking essays on the map topic, suffice to say Sc2 map making is beyond fucked. So many crippling restrictions, and more being added constantly because it's easier to blame maps than actually fixing broken shit in the game(blink all ins come to mind). The only thing that isn't broken is to just make huge maps so players are almost forced to macro at least for a while. Making good maps for this game is a labour worthy of Hercules, and I'm not sure I wouldn't rather take on a Hydra. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:22 Wombat_NI wrote: Careful folks, we have a badass amongst us. Relating back to thread, just watched Bbyongb vs Dark on Waystation, my first experience of that map. Another map that is IMO far, far too big. Can we have less sillily large maps and perhaps we'll see a difference I think the large map actually helped bbyong in that game. There was a moment where bbyong looked away from his army to run his scvs away from banelings in the third base and lost it. If the map was smaller he would have lost right there. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:33 royalroadweed wrote: I think the large map actually helped bbyong in that game. There was a moment where bbyong looked away from his army to run his scvs away from banelings in the third base and lost it. If the map was smaller he would have lost right there. If it was smaller Dark couldn't get away taking that much funding from his main army at the first place. That was a 1/1 poke being shut down WHILE 10 banelings killed a third mineral line. On decent maps (where Terran was nerfed/balanced for) that poke is like, not going to be killed when you miss that much from your army. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
TvZ is imba because Z is OP So nothing new here, but it takes too long for you blizzard to make changes, but it is nice to see that it is not only the communitys opinion, but also blizzard recognized it. | ||
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TW
Poland255 Posts
So nothing new here, but it takes too long for you blizzard to make changes, but it is nice to see that it is not only the communitys opinion, but also blizzard recognized it. a bit too late, another PvZ, ZvZ, PvP code S ahead. That sucks. Still, if Blizzard releases the patch before another Ts play in Code S, it will be so unfair for Bbyong. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:44 TW wrote: a bit too late, another PvZ, ZvZ, PvP code S ahead. That sucks. will be a while that way, since you don't get the already qualified ones out of the system that fast. Also showing how long this imbalance has been there. interesting, that the "pro players" are complaining about how stront T is in TvP (crying in the Rain). Maybe there are patchzergs and patchprotosses and ofc patchterrans. Speaking of the last ones: Where is my bunker build time change? | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
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TW
Poland255 Posts
edit: (sorry a bit off topic) | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:54 TW wrote: I diidn't look at the nr of viewers for Code S today, but wonder if there is a difference between the group with T and without them. You don't have to wonder about that, it's clear that tons of viewers don't tune in for PvPvZvPvZvZ | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:54 TW wrote: I diidn't look at the nr of viewers for Code S today, but wonder if there is a difference between the group with T and without them. (sorry a bit off topic) Dunno, but DH lost ~20k viewers after Inno lost. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:44 TW wrote: a bit too late, another PvZ, ZvZ, PvP code S ahead. That sucks. Still, if Blizzard releases the patch before another Ts play in Code S, it will be so unfair for Bbyong. Blizzcon will be ZvP fest to. Basically, we need to wait until LotV to see terrans agaim. | ||
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Personally I'd like to see creep maybe looked at come to think of it, at least recession speed. It's clear that creep spread is far far better on average than it used to be and makes a huge difference especially on large maps vT | ||
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Frex
Finland888 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:59 nojok wrote: Can someone explain me why they expect 150/150 "bonus" money for terran to actually help them? It seems random and almost unsignificant from a watcher perspective. Because they are afraid to do real changes since it could hurt the careers of professional zerg and protoss players obviously. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:55 imrusty269 wrote: Blizzcon will be ZvP fest to. Basically, we need to wait until LotV to see terrans agaim. From a money standpoint there is no need to make the game balanced or better, we are going to buy the next expansion anyway. I hope it doesnt get as bad as the end of WoL. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On April 30 2014 22:04 gingerfluffmuff wrote: From a money standpoint there is no need to make the game balanced or better, we are going to buy the next expansion anyway. I hope it doesnt get as bad as the end of WoL. I'll not buy it at this rate, know many of my friends who quit playing and say the same, even good players. For the most part Terrans sick of how hard they feel they have to work, but don't want to race switch. Then again there will also be drop offs just because of oversaturation/being bored of the game and wanting to do other things. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3690 Posts
On April 30 2014 21:23 TheDwf wrote: And it is indeed, but for that the game needs to be at least in a decent state. There were opportunities like this earlier in HotS but Blizzard kept randomly patching. And that is why I would like to see most changes reverted so we actually have that chance again. Generally speaking, there are two approaches to balancing: Acting immediately as an issue occurs and waiting as long as you can to ensure that the issue cannot be fixed by progamers. Sadly, Blizzard takes a wierd middle road where they often act as progamers are starting to resolve the issues. | ||
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