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Redrot
United States446 Posts
Deadwing sucks... free 3 bases? I'll pass. Hell, you could just wall off the 3rd and be fine. Catallena looks really chokey, same with Kamala Park despite it looking GORGEOUS. I think my favorite though is Foxtrot, as they mentioned it is extremely similar to Cloud Kingdom, probably my favorite map of all time. | ||
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Season
United States301 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On April 30 2014 10:27 Namrufus wrote: I dunno... for Deadwing... though I do agree that it seems a bit generic, I do think that there is room for a solid big macro map. I would take Deadwing over Alterzim. Though I do wish there was at least 1 smaller/micro/low income(edit: low income as in less bases, or harder bases, not "crazy" stuff like FRB or even half bases) map in the finalists - two maps (Deadwing and CJ) have 20 bases each!. Of course, the opinions of the people who actually tested the maps for a week have a lot more weight than mine. Maybe none of the small maps they tested actually worked in practice. Deadwing is a little generic, I can agree with that. But it's still a decently designed map with rather interesting concepts that make it worth playing on. The center area of biome and the massive amounts of air play available actually make it fairly difficult to get a 5th and 6th base easily too. If you want a smaller map, Kamala Park and Catallena definitely provide some challenges for taking the third, especially as Protoss. Those maps definitely play out a lot more aggressively (2-3 base heavy aggression) than the others you mentioned. Glad to hear that mostly everyone approves of the maps thus far! On April 30 2014 11:30 S1eth wrote: I have a hard time imagining how those 1v1 maps are going to play out (and I'm surely not the only one). I take it that there won't be a TLMC tournament this time? So most people will decide on a whim based on looks... CJBiome. A completely flat (except for the mains) map without any chokes whatsoever? Like it says in the description, we expect air play to be fairly common on Biome, meaning that terrain plays a rather smaller role in the overall gameplay. This map relies a lot on either really solid timings or lots of multi-tasking with drops/air harass, so it's less likely that both players will turtle on 4 bases forever. | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
Now lets see what we can smacktalk about these maps.. Kamala - The 2 most stanard 4p maps cut together but with some twists in the center. I think. Kinda hard to see from this view. Exciting. Catallena - Could be renamed to "Trying to make a 3player map symmetrical". Biome - Everything's just so.. smooshed together. You can defend 4 bases with 4 Siege Tanks and harass 3 bases from safe distance with some ranged units. Also, have fun Zergs, defending against Medivac play between your main and 3rd. Deadwing - Huge, turtly, not big on innovation and boring in the center. The decals are awesome though. All kinda reminds me of maps 2 years ago. Foxtrot - Kinda like it. Reminds me of CK a bit. Just not sure about the golds. To me the only map that looks like a finalist. Looks like this time the 2v2 maps win the contest. | ||
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tomastaz
United States976 Posts
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United States7081 Posts
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
1. Foxtrot Labs: Center terrain and gold base setup is good. Make it cross spawns only (2 in 1) and it would be a decent enough map - but horizontal spawns really need to be disabled though, right now the map is literally just plain asymmetrical in that configuration. 2. Kamala Park: Best aesthetics of all the finalists. The main/nat/3rd setup is generic and taking 5 bases is too easy, but I like the layout of the ramps throughout the center. Also the base count, at 14, is actually reasonable (hint: if you have 20 bases you're doing it wrong), and it's more likely that the entire map will be used. 3. Catallena: Pretty standard/boring design, nice octopus though. It's a solid map but there's not really anything this map does that Merry Go Round doesn't already do equally as well. 4. Deadwing: Bases are all too close and there are too many of them (see: above hint). 4 or even 5 base turtle is easier than Alterzim. Pushing through the backdoor in close positions could also be a problem. 5. Biome: I honestly have no clue how this one got picked. 4 base turtle is even easier than Deadwing - your 4th is as easy as the 3rd to take. Sure defending against air harass is harder, but that's irrelevant when you can defend 4 bases by literally parking your army in 1 spot with 0 movement required. The aesthetics also aren't good - creating 5 distinct areas with only 8 textures isn't really feasible. All the areas have only 1 or 2 textures and as a result look extremely bland. Overall I'm disappointed with the finalist selection, it's pretty clear that the TL strategy team isn't as willing to experiment as most mapmakers. Maps have only been getting larger, more macro oriented, and turtly and I can't recall hearing a single person support this trend, yet 2 of 5 finalists have 20 bases while none are 12 base/low eco. This just reinforces the trend rather than testing new ways to break it while preserving balance - which should be the entire point of contests like this. At least the team maps are good, I wouldn't mind any of them getting added to the map pool. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
damn the more i look at these the more i like foxtrot as well and agree with everyone saying deadwing is kinda generic but i like it the most for ladder and tourney play but wouldnt mind foxtrot winning. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On April 30 2014 12:33 -NegativeZero- wrote: My ranking (best to worst): 1. Foxtrot Labs: Center terrain and gold base setup is good. Make it cross spawns only (2 in 1) and it would be a decent enough map - but horizontal spawns really need to be disabled though, right now the map is literally just plain asymmetrical in that configuration. 2. Kamala Park: Best aesthetics of all the finalists. The main/nat/3rd setup is generic and taking 5 bases is too easy, but I like the layout of the ramps throughout the center. Also the base count, at 14, is actually reasonable (hint: if you have 20 bases you're doing it wrong), and it's more likely that the entire map will be used. 3. Catallena: Pretty standard/boring design, nice octopus though. It's a solid map but there's not really anything this map does that Merry Go Round doesn't already do equally as well. 4. Deadwing: Bases are all too close and there are too many of them (see: above hint). 4 or even 5 base turtle is easier than Alterzim. Pushing through the backdoor in close positions could also be a problem. 5. Biome: I honestly have no clue how this one got picked. 4 base turtle is even easier than Deadwing - your 4th is as easy as the 3rd to take. Sure defending against air harass is harder, but that's irrelevant when you can defend 4 bases by literally parking your army in 1 spot with 0 movement required. The aesthetics also aren't good - creating 5 distinct areas with only 8 textures isn't really feasible. All the areas have only 1 or 2 textures and as a result look extremely bland. Overall I'm rather disappointed with these finalists, it's pretty clear that the TL strategy team isn't as willing to experiment as most mapmakers. Maps have only been getting larger, more macro oriented, and turtly and I can't recall hearing a single person support this trend, yet 2 of 5 finalists have 20 bases while none are 12 base/low eco. This just reinforces the trend rather than testing new ways to break it while preserving balance - which should be the entire point of contests like this. At least the team maps are good, I wouldn't mind any of them getting added to the map pool. It's actually really hard to get 4 bases on Kamala and Catallena, and even taking a third is a bit difficult for some matchups (PvT, ZvT, ZvP). Five bases is almost completely out of the question, the maps are just too small. If you'd prefer more aggressive maps, Kamala and Catallena are the way to go. We're expecting to see a lot of 2-base all-ins and heavy 3-base aggression on these maps. When testing these maps out, we were specifically looking for new and interesting ways to push balance while still maintaining playability. Simply put, we believe these maps fit that criteria while a lot of the other maps were either far too boring or completely unplayable. Remember that the winner of this contest can be selected for ladder; the last thing we need is another broken map like Yeonsu stuck in the map pool. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
 . Rotational imbalance is strong. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
It's between Foxtrot and Kamala Park as far as the 1v1 goes imo. I suppose I'm leaning more towards Kamala since it seems more balanced and macro-oriented. Slight bonus points as well for looking the best aesthetically :p | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Ferisii
Denmark199 Posts
Might wanna fix that. How did that get overlooked? Weren't the maps "thoroughly" tested? | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On April 30 2014 14:03 Ferisii wrote: http://i.imgur.com/htshxju.jpg Might wanna fix that. How did that get overlooked? LOOL. Send Plexa a pm. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 30 2014 14:03 Ferisii wrote: http://i.imgur.com/htshxju.jpg Might wanna fix that. How did that get overlooked? Weren't the maps "thoroughly" tested? Thanks, fixed it. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3038 Posts
Though I worry a bit that every Z game will come down to mass mutas... | ||
Thaniri
1264 Posts
On April 30 2014 14:22 LightSpectra wrote: I want CJ Biome to win so bad. Though I worry a bit that every Z game will come down to mass mutas... Honestly we were more concerned it would come down to mass swarm hosts. Every attack path concentrates on the center and it could get complicated weighing that part of the map against how good air is on this map as well. | ||
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