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On April 15 2014 16:52 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Well since you can no longer be demoted during the season, I think they do this to reset the ladder a little and make sure everyone is where they should be. I'm sure you'll get back to master in no time :3
Blizz should put mid-season demotions back in and reduce the number of new season demotions. It's far more demoralizing to get placed down a league at the beginning of the new season than it is to get demoted during a bad run of losses in the middle of a season.
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On April 15 2014 19:22 EnPo wrote:
Yeah. 2300pts masters and demoted to diamond. Takes out your fun of laddering pretty nicely, when I feel like total chobo...
I'd propably get back to masters if I wanted, but I don't feel like laddering in diamond :S
Points say very little, nothing actually.
Say I idle for 3 weeks everytime to get a -300 MMR decay, and just clear out my bonus pool everytime. I repeat this process until the end of the season, I'd have the points of a top masters player, but the MMR or a high diamond or so. (This is just an extreme example).
What happened is:
At the start of the previous season the MMR treshold to get a masters promotion was 1320 MMR.
At the start of the current season, the MMR tresold to get a masters promotion is 1520 MMR, which used to be mid masters.
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I guess I need to wait for all you pros to go up a few leagues before I start laddering.
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On April 15 2014 23:20 kaluro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 19:22 EnPo wrote:
Yeah. 2300pts masters and demoted to diamond. Takes out your fun of laddering pretty nicely, when I feel like total chobo...
I'd propably get back to masters if I wanted, but I don't feel like laddering in diamond :S Points say very little, nothing actually. Say I idle for 3 weeks everytime to get a -300 MMR decay, and just clear out my bonus pool everytime. I repeat this process until the end of the season, I'd have the points of a top masters player, but the MMR or a high diamond or so. (This is just an extreme example).
It maxes out at 4 weeks marker.
On April 15 2014 23:20 kaluro wrote:
What happened is:
At the start of the previous season the MMR treshold to get a masters promotion was 1320 MMR.
At the start of the current season, the MMR tresold to get a masters promotion is 1520 MMR, which used to be mid masters.
The offsets changed few days after last season started. Those numbers are not directly comparable. Actually the relative master threshold remained the same, but everything else was lowered. The current diamond range begins relatively from old high gold range. Diamond league's MMR range almost doubled. But the decay still pushes general population downwards... It is interesting to see if Blizzard does another 'smoke and mirrors fix' in the future (they only changed offsets/thresholds, not fixed the causes for the problem) .
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its normal and known since last season because no demote in the seaon, there are 90% demotes AFTER season but you can easy go back
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On April 15 2014 23:06 mvdunecats wrote:
Blizz should put mid-season demotions back in and reduce the number of new season demotions. It's far more demoralizing to get placed down a league at the beginning of the new season than it is to get demoted during a bad run of losses in the middle of a season.
I assume it is to fight ladder anxiety. If you can't be demoted, there would be no reason to be fightened to loose more than your rank in your divison (-> no league downgrading visible in profile).
Also, I assume you have a higher chance in being promoted to a higher league that you wouldn't normally reach with that system. So, people that are "stuck" in their league forever might be able to enter the higher league in one season with a lot of luck & playing a lot early season before the normally higher, but demoted guys re-enter their skill-level leagues. But that's just speculation on my side.
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On April 15 2014 19:02 CoraBlue wrote:
I can't speak to masters, because I'm not that good, but I am also frustrated. I ended the season at bottom of plat, won my placement match, and got placed in silver. Its not a big deal because I'm going to roll kids, its just annoying and destroys my enthusiasm to play.
Then what about the Silver players that gets destroyed by you and have there enthusiasm crashed, pretty sure it hurts more to lose hard than win easy.
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On April 15 2014 23:49 Raziers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 19:02 CoraBlue wrote:
I can't speak to masters, because I'm not that good, but I am also frustrated. I ended the season at bottom of plat, won my placement match, and got placed in silver. Its not a big deal because I'm going to roll kids, its just annoying and destroys my enthusiasm to play. Then what about the Silver players that gets destroyed by you and have there enthusiasm crashed, pretty sure it hurts more to lose hard than win easy.
That even doesent matter. If his mmr dropped to silver he might not just roll over them. He is equally skilled as them.
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On April 15 2014 19:22 EnPo wrote:
Yeah. 2300pts masters and demoted to diamond. Takes out your fun of laddering pretty nicely, when I feel like total chobo...
I'd propably get back to masters if I wanted, but I don't feel like laddering in diamond :S
Also got demoted to diamond from master played 4 games ( 2 lost, 2 won) and got back to masters. Play few games you will be back in masters...
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So much crying about being demoted...
If you think you deserve to be in a higher league, play some damn ladder games and prove it...
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I lost my placement match to cannon rush into mass carrier on Alterzim ended up back in Bronze. Two PvPs later back in Silver, was half expecting the long slog of ladder purgatory that is Bronze to be quite honest. So yeah, looks like things are slowly getting back to where they should be.
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1. "Seasons" are pointless.
2. MMR decay, as implemented, is idiotic.
3. The lack of mid-season demotions is bad because it results in mass new season demotion ( which is demoralizing).
4. MMR should be displayed.
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On April 15 2014 23:20 BisuDagger wrote:
I guess I need to wait for all you pros to go up a few leagues before I start laddering.
Didn't figure you to be a SC2 kind of guy.
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Much prefer this system compared to risking getting demoted in the mid of a season. It's comforting to know I don't risky dropping down to dia even if I got an insane loss streak. I can try out new playstyles and lose and know I be fine just getting a few wins against before season ends
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Was rank 4 diamond with somewhere around 1900points and got denoted to GOLD after winning my placement match! I didn't play for about a week before ladders locked and only unranked when it was locked.
I went 13-0 and finally got promoted to Plat, but so upset about it.
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Seeing the claims in here about people getting demoted in the 2300-2500 point range makes me wonder why I didn't get demoted. I would have finished the season at ~2400 points if you added bonus pool directly to my points and ontop of that I was inactive for 6-7 straight weeks. I did go on a small win-streak the last week before season end, because I realised I would have to play to avoid demotion, but it wasn't enough to offset the decay my MMR must have suffered from inactivity.
I just wish Blizzard would display my MMR, don't care if it is privately or publically displayed, would be so much more useful than some arbitrary rank in your division!
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On April 16 2014 00:04 NKexquisite wrote:
So much crying about being demoted...
If you think you deserve to be in a higher league, play some damn ladder games and prove it...
Kinda with you on this. The ranking has as much meaning as you are willing to give it. Getting demoted only means you have a quick level up early this season. Or you are now in the league you belong in.
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On April 16 2014 00:32 Ctone23 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 23:20 BisuDagger wrote:
I guess I need to wait for all you pros to go up a few leagues before I start laddering. Didn't figure you to be a SC2 kind of guy.
I've been supporting sc2 since the first gsl. Bought a year pass in 2011. Stopped paying for sc2 when blizzard ruined wings in 2012. I'd be more active with proleague if it didn't run during my work hours! I miss 2-3 am SPL! So while I still follow all sc2 I dedicate energy to sc1. But my goal is to ladder in both sc1 and 2 start of May xD. I really want sc2 to be a great game and still grasp to some hope for LotV.
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Why do people care so much about league placement?
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On April 16 2014 02:03 ReMinD_ wrote:
Why do people care so much about league placement?
Idk, I'm actually in shock of what some people here are saying. Last season I was put into gold. GOLD. I used to be a masters player. I didn't care though, played my way back to diamond, and now I'm back to plat. For all I care, I could get demoted to silver mid season and it wouldn't make a difference to me.
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