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On April 15 2014 19:21 CoraBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 19:05 reapsen wrote:On April 15 2014 19:02 CoraBlue wrote:
I can't speak to masters, because I'm not that good, but I am also frustrated. I ended the season at bottom of plat, won my placement match, and got placed in silver. Its not a big deal because I'm going to roll kids, its just annoying and destroys my enthusiasm to play. Why? Just don't give a fuck, play a couple of games and i promise you'll be back where you were in no time. Its just a friggin placement at the beginning of the season, that has absolutely no meaning at all.... just try thinking of it from this perspective: "This way you get to see a promotion screen once again!" Because, correct me if I'm wrong, but the max amount of promotions you can get in a season is 2 isn't it? If there's no limit then I'm retarded and nevermind, but being bumped down to silver and realizing you won't improve in ranking for a whole season no matter what you do is... disheartening?
No limits regarding promotions.
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On April 15 2014 19:23 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 19:21 CoraBlue wrote:On April 15 2014 19:05 reapsen wrote:On April 15 2014 19:02 CoraBlue wrote:
I can't speak to masters, because I'm not that good, but I am also frustrated. I ended the season at bottom of plat, won my placement match, and got placed in silver. Its not a big deal because I'm going to roll kids, its just annoying and destroys my enthusiasm to play. Why? Just don't give a fuck, play a couple of games and i promise you'll be back where you were in no time. Its just a friggin placement at the beginning of the season, that has absolutely no meaning at all.... just try thinking of it from this perspective: "This way you get to see a promotion screen once again!" Because, correct me if I'm wrong, but the max amount of promotions you can get in a season is 2 isn't it? If there's no limit then I'm retarded and nevermind, but being bumped down to silver and realizing you won't improve in ranking for a whole season no matter what you do is... disheartening? No limits regarding promotions.
Well that's good to know at least. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Last time it happened to me I went down from dia to gold and ended up at 21-3 before losing interest (and still being in gold).
It took me another drop to silver to play ladder again (mainly because of ex teammates teasing me about my silver icon...). It is a bit disheartening, and I felt bad for the genuine gold players I faced along the way
edit: that was in 2013, I havent played this season yet, surely a couple games tomorrow
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Yeah definetly no limits for promotions.. have played myself from bronze to plat in one season and saw pros breeze from silver to masters in something around 40-60 games.
So no worries there.
I actually can't understand why people make such a big deal out of it. If you belong in masters, then you'll be back in masters in no-time. Just be happy to grab a couple of easy wins and the more challenging opponents will come to you sooner than you think.
Some guys in here almost act like they are now worse human beeings or sth 
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On April 15 2014 19:40 reapsen wrote:Yeah definetly no limits for promotions.. have played myself from bronze to plat in one season and saw pros breeze from silver to masters in something around 40-60 games. So no worries there. I actually can't understand why people make such a big deal out of it. If you belong in masters, then you'll be back in masters in no-time. Just be happy to grab a couple of easy wins and the more challenging opponents will come to you sooner than you think. Some guys in here almost act like they are now worse human beeings or sth
Maximum decay roughly equals 20 losses. It takes time to overcome it especially if you face other decayed players. Minimum amount would be ~20 straight wins. With 60 % winrate it would already take ~100 matches.
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On April 15 2014 19:45 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 19:40 reapsen wrote:Yeah definetly no limits for promotions.. have played myself from bronze to plat in one season and saw pros breeze from silver to masters in something around 40-60 games. So no worries there. I actually can't understand why people make such a big deal out of it. If you belong in masters, then you'll be back in masters in no-time. Just be happy to grab a couple of easy wins and the more challenging opponents will come to you sooner than you think. Some guys in here almost act like they are now worse human beeings or sth Maximum decay roughly equals 20 loss. It takes time to overcome it especially if you face other decayed players. Minimum amount would be ~20 straight wins. With 60 % winrate it would already take ~100 matches.
But it is highly unlikely for someone how played some games last season to suffer from the maximum decay deficit. And for someone who got demoted more than one league it should be easy to maintain a 85+% winrate.
Take myself for an example: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/617358/1/reapsen/
I was a solid platinum player for 5 consecutive seasons in row.. stopped playing for a couple of seasons, mmr decay brought me all the way down to bronze(!). Last season i played only 23 games, of which i won 21, which was enough to get me back into gold. If i had the time to grind a couple of games more i am sure, i could be well set in plat already.
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China6330 Posts
Stopped playing a month ago in Silver, probably back in Bronze again.
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On April 15 2014 19:51 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 19:45 korona wrote:On April 15 2014 19:40 reapsen wrote:Yeah definetly no limits for promotions.. have played myself from bronze to plat in one season and saw pros breeze from silver to masters in something around 40-60 games. So no worries there. I actually can't understand why people make such a big deal out of it. If you belong in masters, then you'll be back in masters in no-time. Just be happy to grab a couple of easy wins and the more challenging opponents will come to you sooner than you think. Some guys in here almost act like they are now worse human beeings or sth Maximum decay roughly equals 20 loss. It takes time to overcome it especially if you face other decayed players. Minimum amount would be ~20 straight wins. With 60 % winrate it would already take ~100 matches. But it is highly unlikely for someone how played some games last season to suffer from the maximum decay deficit. And for someone who got demoted more than one league it should be easy to maintain a 85+% winrate. Take myself for an example: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/617358/1/reapsen/I was a solid platinum player for 5 consecutive seasons in row.. stopped playing for a couple of seasons, mmr decay brought me all the way down to bronze(!). Last season i played only 23 games, of which i won 21, which was enough to get me back into gold. If i had the time to grind a couple of games more i am sure, i could be well set in plat already.
It takes only 4 weeks inactivity to suffer the max decay. And considerable amount of players go inactive for that or more during each season.
If you face similar skilled opponents (other decayed players) then your winrate against them is likely ~50% or potentially even lower. Against 'legit' players belonging to that MMR range your winrate should be quite high. It depends who you face. At the start of the season you will face lots of other decayed players.
Also these were the league MMR range sizes last season (note that MMR range size for many leagues is less than max decay. In a typical game you either get or lose 16 MMR points. Thought in practice when you are in high MMR range of your league you gain less & lose more in general):
On April 15 2014 18:55 korona wrote:
The old max decay was ~310. The value was not verified after last season's offset changes, but it should be close or the same. The league MMR range size estimates last season were: b 280, s 260, g 290, p 235, d 450. Master range before low GM border was ~2.3 times max decay for EU and ~1.4 times max decay for NA
On April 15 2014 19:52 digmouse wrote:
Stopped playing a month ago in Silver, probably back in Bronze again.
Yes. If the inactivity was more than 4 weeks then you should be placed in bronze (silver league range is smaller than max decay).
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Inactivity and MMR decay lead to demotions, often large ones.
Need to play a lot to get back where you belong!
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I got to rank 1 diamond on three separate occasions with ~1500 points on both EU and NA, no promotions or anything. Got demoted on EU, still diamond on NA.
Blizzard, why D:
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On April 15 2014 16:52 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Well since you can no longer be demoted during the season, I think they do this to reset the ladder a little and make sure everyone is where they should be. I'm sure you'll get back to master in no time :3
Thing is if a large portion of people got demoted then all the high diamonds are actually masters, so u can't actually go back to masters unless u improve dramatically. I think only masters that didn't get demoted are the ones close to GM MMR
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On April 15 2014 19:51 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 19:45 korona wrote:On April 15 2014 19:40 reapsen wrote:Yeah definetly no limits for promotions.. have played myself from bronze to plat in one season and saw pros breeze from silver to masters in something around 40-60 games. So no worries there. I actually can't understand why people make such a big deal out of it. If you belong in masters, then you'll be back in masters in no-time. Just be happy to grab a couple of easy wins and the more challenging opponents will come to you sooner than you think. Some guys in here almost act like they are now worse human beeings or sth Maximum decay roughly equals 20 loss. It takes time to overcome it especially if you face other decayed players. Minimum amount would be ~20 straight wins. With 60 % winrate it would already take ~100 matches. But it is highly unlikely for someone how played some games last season to suffer from the maximum decay deficit. And for someone who got demoted more than one league it should be easy to maintain a 85+% winrate. Take myself for an example: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/617358/1/reapsen/I was a solid platinum player for 5 consecutive seasons in row.. stopped playing for a couple of seasons, mmr decay brought me all the way down to bronze(!). Last season i played only 23 games, of which i won 21, which was enough to get me back into gold. If i had the time to grind a couple of games more i am sure, i could be well set in plat already.
I did the same going 21-3 without being promoted. Then I went away on holidays for two weeks and got demoted... I do not have that much time and I try to play about 50 1v1 each season. Spending 80% of them on free wins is no fun at all. I even started playing random to keep from boredom but there are basically no close games, either I destroy the opponent or someone that decayed more that me owns me hard (partly because I am random and dont always get my main race against such players)
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On April 15 2014 18:45 AlaxWayLaxed wrote:
Forever diamond. No change. Even lost my placement
yes since WoL beta....
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nvm, this didnt work out too well.
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I was demoted to diamond, after I lost my first placement match, next game I won and was promoted lol
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On April 15 2014 16:59 Scarecrow wrote:
Well if the overall player pool is declining then Masters will get a smaller allocation. Combine this with no demotions in the season and you get a lot at the end. I haven't seen the stats but I wouldn't be surprised if the lower ranks were bleeding players to LoL, and especially Diablo/HS after recent releases. I expect it may eventually become like ICCUP where ranks like gold/platinum are ultra-competitive as the casuals continue to emigrate.
The player base was actually GROWING last season compared to the one before, if I recall correctly. There was a reddit-post about it a month or two ago.
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Well I was decently placed in Master, probably had ended around 2,5K points if I had managed to be active the last two-three weeks. However, it is really no big deal to get back to masters if you get demoted. I dont see the whining - just make sure to win your games and you will be back in no time?
Its not like just cause you got demoted you will play vs bad diamond players, and if you do and they beat you then actually Diamond is the place to be. I am sorry - but I dont see any problem here.
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Guys, when the player base is declining, this outcome is just natural, as the percentage of active players per league stays the same.
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On April 15 2014 20:46 Caladan wrote:
Guys, when the player base is declining, this outcome is just natural, as the percentage of active players per league stays the same.
anywhere to see the actual numbers of players?
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On April 15 2014 20:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I got to rank 1 diamond on three separate occasions with ~1500 points on both EU and NA, no promotions or anything. Got demoted on EU, still diamond on NA.
Blizzard, why D:
You needed 1800/1900 points in diamond in order to get promoted (rougly).
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