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Incand
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korona
1098 Posts
On April 15 2014 20:58 Detri wrote: anywhere to see the actual numbers of players? From nios.kr you can see amount of players who have placed in different leagues during that season. But those numbers do not take activity into account. The longer season last, the more players will join. Usually almost constant amount of players join the ladders each week after the initial rush. There has not been any considerable decrease or increase during the last seasons. But as I said those numbers do not take activity into account. It is likely that general player base is less active than e.g. half years ago. Edit: Blizzard is having lots of problems with both their web profiles and API. Thus until the problems are fixed the numbers from this season should not be trusted. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On April 15 2014 21:19 Incand wrote: Bonuspool for last season was 2441 so anything below that is probably low master and will get demoted at start. If you started out in dia you got another 73 fake points so thats anything below 2514. Also if you look at nios.kr you can see that on eu we currently have 4:05% masters.. thats double the size it should be. Now masters are problably more active so that number will decrease slightly, maybe even get close to 2% but it's by no means small. Adjusted points (visible ladder points minus used bonus pool) give some direction where your MMR might be (MMR can differ quite considerable from what the adjusted points suggest). For example after plenty of games having 73 adjusted points often means that your MMR is somewhere close to your league's lower border. But if you have faced decay during the season, your adjusted points are likely 'too high' compared to your actual MMR. And yes. The most active players are usually the first to get placed during each season. In time the more inactive players will return. | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On April 15 2014 21:31 Fus wrote: If your points + saved up bonuspool is less than the total bonuspool at the season end you are likely to get demoted. It's kinda harsh because to be in the top100 in EU, you needed something like 2850. Being kick with 2500 might give a shock to some people. | ||
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Amazonic
Sweden239 Posts
On April 15 2014 18:34 oGoZenob wrote: I went 15-3 last season and get demoted last night -_- That's the problem, you only played 18 games  On the topic: This has happened to me every season, get master, get ~top 30, get demoted next season, play 10 games, back in masters, rinse and repeat. EDIT: Yeah, took me 13 games to get back. | ||
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
I guess it's somewhat easy to go back as well? | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1840 Posts
On April 15 2014 21:41 Mahanaim wrote: Got back to masters in 11 games. I guess it's somewhat easy to go back as well? Yes, they demote more often at the beginning of the season, but I've found it's easier to get promoted back to your former division. I got promoted at rank 10 or something, after 4 game, but was last season so I'm not sure how long it will take this time. It's not the end of the world, but pretty damn annoying, for sure. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On April 15 2014 21:52 Dunmer wrote: Don't forget ladder populations is based off percentages so until more and more people play placement games the population in leagues has to be much smaller than at the end of a league. If 10K people played on day one then 2% is not a lot of people compared to the 100k at the end of a season. Also take into account the 200 Gm that take the Masters spots They are not. Only GM has limited amount of slots (200) and its entry threshold is dynamic. For all other leagues entry thresholds are static MMR values set by Blizzard. On April 15 2014 21:41 Mahanaim wrote: Got back to masters in 11 games. I guess it's somewhat easy to go back as well? It depends where you were in diamond MMR range compared to the master threshold. For example if player A was at the entry threshold last season and then went inactive for 4 weeks, then he would face max MMR decay that equals roughly 20 straight losses. Then it would require him roughly 20 straight wins to get back to master. On April 15 2014 21:35 Amazonic wrote: That's the problem, you only played 18 games On the topic: This has happened to me every season, get master, get ~top 30, get demoted next season, play 10 games, back in masters, rinse and repeat. If you were inactive for more than 4 weeks at some point last season you faced max MMR decay. 12 wins more than losses (15-3) in general case increases your MMR less than max MMR decay decreases it. More about MMR decay: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/429734-ladder-deflation-and-mmr-decay | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On April 15 2014 22:25 DinoMight wrote: My friend got demoted to Silver, but was back in Gold 1 game later. No demotions in the middle of the season is pretty silly. Division ranks do not matter. They are just based on your visible ladder points and how they compare to others in that division. When you get promoted you get 73 points + used bonus pool. In the start of a new season that is usually enough to get the top ranks. In reality his MMR is near the entry threshold of his league when he is promoted. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
this will never change, nothing new to see here | ||
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reapsen
Germany559 Posts
It's also not really a "trick" but just basic human behaviour, if you give a group of people different rankings and statuses, the individuals will put in a lot of effort to improve their rank or maintain it if they are on top. The only difference is, that in reality the rankings like "CEO" or "Member of the Board" will most likely enable you to lead a pretty carefree and pleasent life, while having the rank "Masters" or "Diamond" just means that you invested alot of time in a videogame (and you hopefully had fun doing so). | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On April 15 2014 22:50 reapsen wrote: And what kind of marketing would that be, if it pisses a lot of people off? It's also not really a "trick" but just basic human behaviour, if you give a group of people different rankings and statuses, the individuals will put in a lot of effort to improve their rank or maintain it if they are on top. The only difference is, that in reality the rankings like "CEO" or "Member of the Board" will most likely enable you to lead a pretty carefree and pleasent life, while having the rank "Masters" or "Diamond" just means that you invested alot of time in a videogame (and you hopefully had fun doing so). you just answered your own question with what you put in the second paragraph. people want to compete, it satisfies their egos to be able to say they advanced to a new league and have something X amount of other players don't have. it's a marketing mechanism because it's intended to keep consumer interest alive. people being pissed off is a side effect. whether they "succeeded" in motivating people more than demotivating them is a matter of opinion, but it's clearly the purpose of the ranking system | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
I didn't play much.I had a pretty good winrate(70%,not sure if that is relevant),and I played 2-3 games per week.Maybe the system thought i was an active player. | ||
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Amazonic
Sweden239 Posts
Blizz pliz | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7799 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On April 15 2014 22:53 DifuntO wrote: I was gold last season and had over 400 bonus pool but i'm still gold. I didn't play much.I had a pretty good winrate(70%,not sure if that is relevant),and I played 2-3 games per week.Maybe the system thought i was an active player. The MMR decay only kicks in after 2 weeks of inactivity (starts from 0 and then linearly increases). At 4 weeks mark it reaches its maximum value that equals roughly 20 losses. If you played more frequent it did not affect your direcly - only indirectly as some of your opponents had faced decay. | ||
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paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
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