EPTStudy: Players start slowing down at age 24 - Page 3
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nuogaiyen
United States42 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On April 11 2014 10:30 BisuDagger wrote: How can you say everyone ages in the same way? I've always been 3-4 behind in maturity. While I have always been intelligent, I didn't start thinking very independently till much later the most. I don't practice so lot, I just understand the game better now and decisions are much easier/quicker to make. Ha, well it's always easy to say to ones self "I'm intelligent! I do things well!" I think the data of this study is interesting, if not a little skewed (what study isn't?). Most people around that age are joining the workforce/marriage, etc. | ||
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LuckyGnomTV
Russian Federation367 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
Unless you're only counting pros, I think the analysis is pointless. I'm 27 and I work a full-time job at a bank. I have a buddy who is 18 and in High School. Sure you could say that he is younger and has quicker reflexes and dexterity, but he sure as hell also has a lot more time to play the game. Similarly, I have another friend who's 32 and has two daughters. He plays whenever he can and has in the past beaten me while holding one of them in his lap. Sure he plays at like 4APM, but he makes a lot better macro decisions than I do and plays in a way that compensates for his slowness. TLDR So basically it comes down to: unless everyone has equal opportunity to practice you can't necessarily say that getting old produces worse results. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On April 11 2014 23:26 LuckyGnomTV wrote: Luckily SC2 is not only about cognitive-motor performance. THIS. x1000. Sure they may begin to slow down at 24, but with age comes experience. You learn things such as how to read your opponent, how to prepare for a match, how to handle high stress situations... which in a game as complex as StarCraft I think are very important. Maybe for FPS games the 24 age barrier is more relevant since (and no insult to FPS players) it comes down to "click on his face before he clicks on your face." | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Kitaen
Austria466 Posts
it's because the years of playing pc games are much more intense compared to RL sports. you don't practice soccer 10 hours a day and sleep with 10 teammates in a dormlike appartment with 25+ years it is way harder to "live" pc games for more than a decade (considering you start at smth like 14-15 years of age) thus many pro gamers retire in their mid 20's and only the most passionate ones will do it longer professionally. | ||
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effecto
France142 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 11 2014 11:55 LingBlingBling wrote: Not fan of these "studies" most are not very correct at all and sometimes silly. Maybe in athletics for professional sports like Baseball, Football(American) ECT, but saying your performance decreases on computers/games in your late 20s is just down right silly and false. Our world functions on technology, sorry but if musicians can play at a high professional level until they are in their late 80s with a healthy brain, no way in hell a healthy 25 -35 year old is going to see a decrease in starcraft 2 performance at a professional level. Koreans stop around that age due to mandatory military service or real life priorities outside of their gaming career such as marriage ECT. If you don't take care of yourself, you will see health problems at a young age. Pro Koreans play sc2 +12 hours a day, of course some of them will see wrist problems. So basically you are saying that the study is false because you feel like it. Strong argument. There is a lot of mental faculties that start to decline around 25-30 years. Actually most of abstract and very complex problem solving starts to decline at about that time. Most people do not notice it until later, because they are not doing anything on the level that you could notice it. Musicians are not a good counterexample, how do they require quick reactions or complex problem solving ? Experience can balance the aging issues and does so, but to different degrees in different areas. | ||
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jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
I am turning 28 in a couple months, and I know my hands have slowed down and my reactions aren't quite as good as they used to be. On the other hand I think I'm better at SC2 and Dota then I was a couple years ago despite slowing down. A lot of both of these games are about predicting and decision making, and I know both of those have improved for me. That would probably explain a lot of these anomolies of older progamers being successful. They might not be the fastest or have the highest reaction times, but they can read and predict the game better and don't have to constantly be reacting. Both SC2 and Dota are not twitch games, but games that are about decision making more than reactions. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 11 2014 23:39 effecto wrote: I don't believe in those studies. Only time involved into the game decrease after 24 yo not reaction time. And I do not believe in gravity. I am not saying that the study is correct, as many purely statistical studies are very flawed, but you need a better argument than : "I do not like it". And it is not like it is some unexpected result. There is a lot of supporting evidence for this actually happening in the 25-30 interval. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
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CrushDog5
Canada207 Posts
On April 11 2014 23:48 mcc wrote: Also people using personal examples seem to be missing what statistical results actually mean. Seriously. Doesn't anyone learn about science and statistics in school?!? | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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ProBell
Thailand145 Posts
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