Drama and intense games on day two of IEM Katowice - Page 4

On March 15 2014 19:47 Dingodile wrote:
Hyun lost vs hero was the biggest upset here. I expected a easy 3-0 for hyun

On March 15 2014 19:59 TheDwf wrote:

What? herO is better than HyuN...

On March 15 2014 21:52 MagnuMizer wrote:
wow NaNiwa being booed at on stage on his birthday.. what a way to go

On March 15 2014 15:13 DaftFunk wrote:


except its already been proven on reddit that polt scouts that position in all his tvp's and if you even watch the clip he queued the scv to go that way before the audience gave any loud OOOHHH and it still doesnt excuse him to forfeit 2+ games because of that. soundproofing is a real issue but in this game the outcome would have been the same regardless

On March 16 2014 00:07 Zeze wrote:
You wanna take a stab in the dark as to why there is no upror about it? Maybe because there is not a problem? According to the producers they asked every other player, and everyone including the LOL players said there was no problem. So is it Naniwa lying or everyone else?

Now the other entity being judged in this thread seems to be the crowd. But come on people, a base level of empathy and experience being in a crowd should enable you to understand the situation and realize that of course the crowd would react like that. You just need to calm down and think for a moment. With Redeye, Kaelaris and ToD voicing their disappointment (quite reasonably so), the air is equally full of disappointment. When Naniwa walks out, a character who "a lot" (it's hard to quantify) of people already despise, of course they boo.

On March 16 2014 07:23 pieroog wrote:



....despise? we were cheering for him like mad - I was there man, EVERYBODY clapped when he entered the stage. BUT when he walked away, wasting a lot time and NOT EVEN SAY "GOODBYE" ... what he's done when some people started to boo? He yawned.

A big disrespect toward your opponent, IEM and the several-thousand-people there - if you ask me. Even in GSL they have such problems - isn't too good for him either?


And if you check my previous post - the sound was from LOL (first blood)

On March 15 2014 23:43 Bogeyman wrote:

Well we can't know that for sure, but I'm inclined to believe that it's more likely that Polt would have scouted it regardless.
It's not terribly important to me though, unless I'm absolutely certain. Even then, when judging the actions of another the more important matter is the perspective of the people involved.
Here's the perspective of Naniwa:
https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/statuses/444651159488593920
Now we can of course doubt his sincerity, but I would argue that if anything he has shown throughout his career to be sincere to the point of disregarding his own best, much like he has now. So given his perspective, how would we describe his actions? I would say he tired of putting up with what he would probably look at as appalling, game-breaking conditions. Under normal circumstances, maybe he would endure it and play out the series, but here he is on his birthday (it might matter to him) and potentially last day of his SC2 career, and as he is proxying his gateway he can (allegedly) hear the casters commentate his actions. Knowing Polt speaks pretty good English, and probably understands it better than he speaks it, Naniwa is reasonably safe to assume that Polt also hears it and knows what is going on.
This makes me wonder what his thought-process was when he was doing the proxy, if he was then able to hear the casters already or already being able to assess that if they spoke up a little bit he would hear it clearly. Maybe he refused to change his game-plan after realizing he could hear the casters (it is the first game after all, and he likely already planned out the series vs Polt). That's certainly a respectable position to take. It's all speculation though, but all that means is we can't judge him on the basis "what if he just wanted to be a douche?".

Now the other entity being judged in this thread seems to be the crowd. But come on people, a base level of empathy and experience being in a crowd should enable you to understand the situation and realize that of course the crowd would react like that. You just need to calm down and think for a moment. With Redeye, Kaelaris and ToD voicing their disappointment (quite reasonably so), the air is equally full of disappointment. When Naniwa walks out, a character who "a lot" (it's hard to quantify) of people already despise, of course they boo.

All this drama...
To me the only drama is, if the soundproofing is this bad in the scene in general, why is there no continually ongoing discussion about this until it is resolved? Why are players not constantly complaining about it? Sure the discussions pop up when something happens, but to use a Swedish reference I'd say we need to go "Uppdrag Granskning" (i.e. real investigative journalism) on this matter. Unless this actually isn't an issue, we should have something like a Blizzard-led soundproofing organization who send observers to any (big) tournament that gives WCS points, and if the soundproofing is lacking then primarily they try to resolve it and if that's not possible then no WCS points are awarded from that tournament. It would suck in the short-term for players, but in the long-term tournaments would have to adjust. I mean, either this or something similar has to happen.

On March 16 2014 10:39 Baarn wrote:


You can't do much about it? So why is there a need for a continually ongoing discussion to fix something you can't fix. IEM wants to sell as many live tickets as possible. Spodek has a maximum capacity of 11,500. In order to not have the crowd distract the players you'd basically have to move them in the basement or off the property to have complete silence. This would pose the problem that when you go to a live event you have an expectation to actually see the players live in front of you. Would you bother going if you only saw the players on tv screens as they played in a different area? You'd just stay home like everyone else? I really don't think there is more to it than this to discuss at this point or even bother discussing further at all.

On March 16 2014 14:10 Bogeyman wrote:

I think you're just straight up wrong on this one. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.
There certainly are things to be done.
You remember the incident with SKT_Rain? I recommend you read through the "responses from the community" in the OP:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/442794-soundproofing-continues-to-be-an-issue-in-gom-studio

On March 16 2014 08:56 Bogeyman wrote:

Well, I guess I wasn't being clear enough. I meant "a lot" of people in general despise him, and so there was a high likelihood of there being some in the crowd as well. And it's also just the fact that "a lot" of people view him that way, it makes it easier for everyone else to adopt a similar attitude. The booing may well not even have anything to do with that though, it's also quite reasonable that people were just disappointed, as they still had hopes that he might do well or at least show good games or whatever each and everyone wanted out of it, so of course they were disappointed when they didn't get that. I'm not sure if my message is coming through clearly enough, but I hope you get what I'm saying.

I didn't know he yawned at the crowd when they booed him, but it seems like a pretty likely reaction from him. He must have been in a pretty shitty mood already, so of course the booing would stir up some emotions. It seems like a dickish thing to do, but I always (almost) find a way to look at the flip-side of things. The crowd is mocking him, so he's mocking them back. Seems reasonable (though not necessarily very mature).

And just because other people put up with something doesn't mean one specific individual also has to. He's not necessarily thinking of himself as better than anyone else, maybe he just can't stand it regardless of what other people do or think of it.

On March 17 2014 00:40 veilchen wrote:
Soundproof + Signs in the audience Problems:

Show the games on the screen time-displaced.

About 2-3 mins would probably be enough to resolve the 'cheering crowd' and 'friend sits in the audience and gives hints to the player' problem.

And 3 mins wouldn't hurt the crowd at all.#


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