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On March 15 2014 14:29 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 14:14 ChoDing wrote:On March 15 2014 13:58 walsh_walsh wrote:On March 15 2014 10:33 BakedButters wrote:On March 15 2014 09:07 Verator wrote:On March 15 2014 08:22 DreamTheaterFan wrote:
How would Hyun winning vs herO be a ''massive upset''? I know herO is very good, but so is Hyun... Hyun is pretty okay, but he isn't even close to top tier korean. herO on the other hand, is in the running for best player overall. Hyun is top tier zerg. His wins against Dear and Jjackji, and narrow loss to herO shows he can compete with the best. Best zergs atm are Soulkey, Life, Roro, and Hyun. Solar, Jaedong and Rogue should also be on the list. naw solar and rogue meh. jd okay A very easy argument could be made that Rogue is currently in better shape than JD, and a hard one could be made that he is currently in better shape than Hyun and Roro.
He beat Rain, Sacsri, Zest, Sora and Soulkey to qualify for this IEM and he's 8-5 in proleague with wins over Rain and Hero. I would say he's one of the best up-and-coming players in the world. The games he won were also really exciting as well, give him a few more months and I think he would defiinitely get a lot more fans.
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On March 15 2014 13:42 r691175002 wrote:
Honestly I feel sorry for Naniwa. I can't imagine how his birthday could be any shittier.
I'm not trying to defend the guy, but I'm not sure anyone deserves to have such a horrifically bad day.
Time heals all wounds. We all know that when he is motivated, he's one of the top performing foreigners in the world, if not the best outright. That being said, not sure how his sponsors feel about it. A wise man once said that any press is good press, but we'll see 
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On March 15 2014 10:18 for_the_swarm wrote:
i dont get it. Even if the players could hear the casters, the koreans barely understand english. And if it was the crowd cheering during the proxy, was Naniwa planning on proxying every single game like WCS? why not finish the series and lose your chance at 100k$ ?
It's not about understanding casters. It's hearing the audience and their reactions. If it's in the beginning of the game and you can suddenly hear the crowd excited, when usually nothing's supposed to be happening, there's something up — leading you to check for hidden stuff, or something. It's common enough. Hell, some players have even said they've intentionally not looked for something after they've heard the audience get excited, for fear of appearing to be cheating by acting on that knowledge.
It's a similar situation in Dota 2. Alliance, having pulled some crazy and unexpected level 1 Roshans (the first one at the Dreamhack lan — the only one at a lan to date), have said in recent interviews that they refrain from using similar tactics at lans nowadays due to a suddenly excited crowd tipping their opponents off.
Soundproofing is a real problem in situations where the reactions of an audience can tip you off to something happening.
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On March 15 2014 15:03 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 10:18 for_the_swarm wrote:
i dont get it. Even if the players could hear the casters, the koreans barely understand english. And if it was the crowd cheering during the proxy, was Naniwa planning on proxying every single game like WCS? why not finish the series and lose your chance at 100k$ ? It's not about understanding casters. It's hearing the audience and their reactions. If it's in the beginning of the game and you can suddenly hear the crowd excited, when usually nothing's supposed to be happening, there's something up — leading you to check for hidden stuff, or something. It's common enough. Hell, some players have even said they've intentionally not looked for something after they've heard the audience get excited, for fear of appearing to be cheating by acting on that knowledge. It's a similar situation in Dota 2. Alliance, having pulled some crazy and unexpected level 1 Roshans (the first one at the Dreamhack lan — the only one at a lan to date), have said in recent interviews that they refrain from using similar tactics at lans nowadays due to a suddenly excited crowd tipping their opponents off. Soundproofing is a real problem in situations where the reactions of an audience can tip you off to something happening.
except its already been proven on reddit that polt scouts that position in all his tvp's and if you even watch the clip he queued the scv to go that way before the audience gave any loud OOOHHH and it still doesnt excuse him to forfeit 2+ games because of that. soundproofing is a real issue but in this game the outcome would have been the same regardless
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Those widow mines.... I am still feeling both sadness and happiness at the same time. I loved the comeback, but I don't know if that's good for the e-sports scene. But I know others who think hated the mines and think that they are bad for the scene.
That match just was just confusing to me and I am still trying to figure out how I feel about it.
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On March 15 2014 15:13 DaftFunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 15:03 sumsaR wrote:On March 15 2014 10:18 for_the_swarm wrote:
i dont get it. Even if the players could hear the casters, the koreans barely understand english. And if it was the crowd cheering during the proxy, was Naniwa planning on proxying every single game like WCS? why not finish the series and lose your chance at 100k$ ? It's not about understanding casters. It's hearing the audience and their reactions. If it's in the beginning of the game and you can suddenly hear the crowd excited, when usually nothing's supposed to be happening, there's something up — leading you to check for hidden stuff, or something. It's common enough. Hell, some players have even said they've intentionally not looked for something after they've heard the audience get excited, for fear of appearing to be cheating by acting on that knowledge. It's a similar situation in Dota 2. Alliance, having pulled some crazy and unexpected level 1 Roshans (the first one at the Dreamhack lan — the only one at a lan to date), have said in recent interviews that they refrain from using similar tactics at lans nowadays due to a suddenly excited crowd tipping their opponents off. Soundproofing is a real problem in situations where the reactions of an audience can tip you off to something happening. except its already been proven on reddit that polt scouts that position in all his tvp's and if you even watch the clip he queued the scv to go that way before the audience gave any loud OOOHHH and it still doesnt excuse him to forfeit 2+ games because of that. soundproofing is a real issue but in this game the outcome would have been the same regardless
Oh, well, if it's been "proven on reddit"...
Proven on reddit?
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The funny part is that we didn't cheer FOR THE PROXY, but LOL fans aside went frenzy on the first blood - and Naniwa thought it gave it away... lol (indeed) 
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On March 15 2014 09:00 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 08:25 NFxJehuty wrote:On March 15 2014 08:22 DreamTheaterFan wrote:
How would Hyun winning vs herO be a ''massive upset''? I know herO is very good, but so is Hyun... Hyun admits his ZvP is bad, he must have improved alot, he is know more for his ZvZ I feel, but yeh its not exactly the biggest upset ever... Aye, if that's a 'massive' upset, then there is no such thing as just an upset. I wonder what kind of words we need to use to describe an upset of say, random NA Zerg defeating herO. Titanic? Gargantuan? Galactic? Ziltoidian?It's what people do though, this hyperbole. It's everywhere. You have one guy play one good game and people run around saying he's "sick good". I remember back in SlayerS days, Jinro called Taeja "sick good". That's probably the only time i've heard the phrase used justifiably. Now it just means grandmaster level or something and a massive upset is just someone losing a game to someone they shouldn't.
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On March 15 2014 16:47 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 09:00 Goibon wrote:On March 15 2014 08:25 NFxJehuty wrote:On March 15 2014 08:22 DreamTheaterFan wrote:
How would Hyun winning vs herO be a ''massive upset''? I know herO is very good, but so is Hyun... Hyun admits his ZvP is bad, he must have improved alot, he is know more for his ZvZ I feel, but yeh its not exactly the biggest upset ever... Aye, if that's a 'massive' upset, then there is no such thing as just an upset. I wonder what kind of words we need to use to describe an upset of say, random NA Zerg defeating herO. Titanic? Gargantuan? Galactic? Ziltoidian?It's what people do though, this hyperbole. It's everywhere. You have one guy play one good game and people run around saying he's "sick good". I remember back in SlayerS days, Jinro called Taeja "sick good". That's probably the only time i've heard the phrase used justifiably. Now it just means grandmaster level or something and a massive upset is just someone losing a game to someone they shouldn't. Jaedongian
Got Has'd.
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what was the viewer peak? I left quite early it was at 35k only :-(
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On March 15 2014 08:22 HolydaKing wrote:
Good summary Wax! Pretty nice day.
Imagine Dear vs sOs finals, lol. Not what I hope for but doesn't look that unlikely. Would be somewhat fun too.
That was my prediction for blizzcon finals but Jaedong happened....
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On March 15 2014 16:34 pieroog wrote:The funny part is that we didn't cheer FOR THE PROXY, but LOL fans aside went frenzy on the first blood - and Naniwa thought it gave it away... lol (indeed)
lol thats pretty funny.
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While i can get that soundproofing can be an issue, just play better then your opponent and you'll win.
Now it sounds like "Polt only won cause he heard the crowd and knew something was up".
Yeah... no.
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On March 15 2014 13:42 r691175002 wrote:
Honestly I feel sorry for Naniwa. I can't imagine how his birthday could be any shittier.
I'm not trying to defend the guy, but I'm not sure anyone deserves to have such a horrifically bad day.
He didnt't have it, he made it. Let's summarize what happened. He got a free trip, he took the spot of another player even though he had no intention of playing properly. He lied about a issue to throw the tournaments integrity into question and then he runs away. What is it he doesn't deserve? For people to think that was stupid? To get booed at?
If the most horrific day of anyones life is the day they act as a spoiled child throwing a fit and get called out on it, their life is not that bad.
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Could just see the first and the last BO5 of the day, but these were really outstanding ones. The winner takes all format seems to work in regard to the drama and the quality of the matches.
That Naniwa story really annoys me the most and I concur with most of statements that this kid needs help. I wonder what he thinks real life would be...
Anyways, great tournament, fantastic games!!
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By far BEST Tournament ever. Winner takes it all format forces the best play out of these guys. So much great games! I love it!
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As soon as I heard this was going to be his last tournament, I knew... he was going to troll the IEM.
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On March 15 2014 08:22 DreamTheaterFan wrote:
How would Hyun winning vs herO be a ''massive upset''? I know herO is very good, but so is Hyun...
Some would even argue that HyuN is better than herO after watching game 2
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Hyun lost vs hero was the biggest upset here. I expected a easy 3-0 for hyun, but well we know how sc2 is. 80% happens with "own goal", as Hyun did here 3x times.
DK needs to realize that "own goal" is pretty bad and frustating to watch, "catch up" is far better and entertaining.
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