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On March 15 2014 02:54 Damngood wrote:
I agree with Naniwa's opinion and decision. I disagree with his execution, at a minimum though this gets more people to realize how dead sc2 is becoming and how much the game needs a complete revamping equivalent if not more to that of the d3 series currently. Him acting like a dumbass is inadvertently aiding a great cause for selfish reasons. By the way the guy would not randomly complain about soundproofing for no reason and considering IEM's reputation on that being just as poor as Naniwa's PR... Think about it.
Ban the cancer please, thanks
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On March 15 2014 02:58 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:56 Smaug.GR wrote:
if it was really not soundproof and the crowd gave it away I would react like him. The LoL players (sitting in identical booths but with larger crowds) have voiced no concerns and the other SC2 players have raised no complaints either.
And nobody mentioned GOM's soundproofing issue until Jinro.
Turns out people not whistleblowing isn't an indicator of anything other than people's reluctance to be whistleblowers.
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On March 15 2014 02:58 dUTtrOACh wrote:
So, wait a second. If Polt's booth had no issues, was Naniwa the one playing in an imperfectly soundproofed booth and then blaming Polt's scout on the conditions in Naniwa's booth? If what Kennigit says is true, Naniwa either had no disadvantage, or he had the advantage. For all you defending his "competitor spirit", that's not what it looks like. A true competitor strives to overcome any disadvantage (like a "tryhard") and if that fails, blames the disadvantage only partly for the loss. A professional does his job first, and brings problems to supervisors later. His behaviour can't be defended with a rational argument, only blind fanboyism (undeserved in this case - he gives as much of a fuck about his fans as he does about his image as a professional).
Other players at the tourney must be stupid, and Kennigit too. Everybody but Naniwa is an idiot... I don't know how his fans can make arguments this stupid in the face of obvious bad sportsmanship. When a child does this we call it a tanturm and blame it on the child's age and/or maturity level. When a grown ass professional does this we shake our heads and palm our faces.
Stop with the logic please, Naniwa fans don't believe in logic.
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Naniwa gg'ed, so he already exceeded my expectations for him.
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On March 15 2014 02:55 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:43 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:14 Gr33d wrote:On March 15 2014 02:12 Daralii wrote:On March 15 2014 02:09 Headnoob wrote:
Pretty pathetic that soundproofing isn't something that's been addressed in years.
There is no soundproofing issue. NaNi's trying to stir shit up on his way out, nothing more. With ESL history of not-so-perfect tournament conditions I would not rule out a sound issue. It would not be the first time players can hear the crowd / casters, especially if it gets realy loud. Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. LOL there's a crowd. Of course there'll be noise. It's really not that hard of a conclusion to make.
On March 15 2014 02:55 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:43 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:14 Gr33d wrote:On March 15 2014 02:12 Daralii wrote:On March 15 2014 02:09 Headnoob wrote:
Pretty pathetic that soundproofing isn't something that's been addressed in years.
There is no soundproofing issue. NaNi's trying to stir shit up on his way out, nothing more. With ESL history of not-so-perfect tournament conditions I would not rule out a sound issue. It would not be the first time players can hear the crowd / casters, especially if it gets realy loud. https://twitter.com/Kennigit/status/444508644294815744https://twitter.com/Kennigit/statuses/444504656551882752 Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. Or maybe he realizes that the crowd has always cheered when they see stuff like proxies from the very first SC tournaments?
On March 15 2014 02:57 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:43 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:14 Gr33d wrote:On March 15 2014 02:12 Daralii wrote:On March 15 2014 02:09 Headnoob wrote:
Pretty pathetic that soundproofing isn't something that's been addressed in years.
There is no soundproofing issue. NaNi's trying to stir shit up on his way out, nothing more. With ESL history of not-so-perfect tournament conditions I would not rule out a sound issue. It would not be the first time players can hear the crowd / casters, especially if it gets realy loud. https://twitter.com/Kennigit/status/444508644294815744https://twitter.com/Kennigit/statuses/444504656551882752 Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. you realize that it's a live event, right? cmon, no need to make excuses for him. If other players complained about sound issues, then I would agree with you but he's the only one to complain. It was obvious that he was trying to just get out of IEM using that as an excuse. Pretty poor on his part.
That would be quite the gamble. If there was no spike in crowd volume at the time he would end up humiliated and outed as a liar.
Yet there's no payoff if he wins the gamble. So why would he take that gamble?
But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your mindless Naniwa hatred.
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Whatever Naniwa's reasoning for not wanting to play SC2 anymore or even give a good try in this tournament that alot of players worked really hard for, this is nothing short of disgraceful and a dark day for the entire esports scene.
I've never much cared for Naniwa; his attitude may have been over the top at times but I always respected his skill, at the very least. He is/was the best if not one of the best foreigners for a very long time. However, doing things like this in front of an audience no doubt full of fans or even people who would have loved to see him lose, not to mention hundreds of players like himself is highly damaging to an already fragile scene.
Today we may have lost a great player, but we don't need someone with mentality like this representing our game.
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Hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your mindless Naniwa love.
See, it works both ways
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I'm not exactly sure why he's complaining about soundproofing, but I do know that the picture in the first post of this thread is perhaps the darkest and most saddening picture I've ever seen during my time in esports. Makes me feel really sad, I really admired Naniwa.
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On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)?
He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing.
I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?
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On March 15 2014 03:03 Chewbacca. wrote:
Hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your mindless Naniwa love.
See, it works both ways
I'm the only one using common sense here.
Naniwa correctly identified there was a spike in crowd volume. Either there really was a soundproofing problem, or he has psychic powers.
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Well, best wishes to Naniwa with his future career.
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I'm pretty sure that Naniwa heard or felt something related to the crowd. Whether it made a difference in Polt's actions or not in my mind is completely irrelevant; Naniwa thought it made a difference. I'm not particularly fond of Naniwa but if I was in a bad place, tired of the game and suddenly you feel the organizers can't properly isolate the booths I'd be pretty pissed as well. You're all acting like this is super shocking or something, he clearly didn't feel like completing the games. Would a 0-3 demolish make you feel better, like really?
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what a classical naniwa move! XD
i like him for that since wc3 <3
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On March 15 2014 01:31 Drake wrote:if he not wanna play why he not forefit BEFORE then hasu could have played the tournament as 3rd in qualifiers ... stupid ... naniwa i rly liked him always but htis is worse then his proberush Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:31 Rollora wrote:On March 15 2014 01:27 bosstoss2013 wrote:
NaNiwa is worse than Idra. no he is not. Idra wouldn't have GG'd and left without further comment, leaving everybody puzzled hahaha that was funny ^^ as if idra would GG xD
learn to read bro, i wrote he would NOT have gg'd
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The exit of a true superstar! Go Nani!
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On March 15 2014 02:59 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:58 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:56 Smaug.GR wrote:
if it was really not soundproof and the crowd gave it away I would react like him. The LoL players (sitting in identical booths but with larger crowds) have voiced no concerns and the other SC2 players have raised no complaints either. And nobody mentioned GOM's soundproofing issue until Jinro. Turns out people not whistleblowing isn't an indicator of anything other than people's reluctance to be whistleblowers.
So when other players are asked what they think and they think it's fine, we're to believe the crybaby who's been letting everyone know how little he cares about Katowice all week long?
Eh, I don't think so.
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On March 15 2014 03:06 Tryxtira wrote:
The exit of a true superstar! Go Nani!
That's it. Naniwa was a superstar, and he leaves this scene as a superstar.
Now, let's see if he comes back... :D
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On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?
I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past.
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On March 15 2014 03:02 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:55 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. LOL there's a crowd. Of course there'll be noise. It's really not that hard of a conclusion to make. Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:55 Chewbacca. wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. Or maybe he realizes that the crowd has always cheered when they see stuff like proxies from the very first SC tournaments? Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 02:57 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. you realize that it's a live event, right? cmon, no need to make excuses for him. If other players complained about sound issues, then I would agree with you but he's the only one to complain. It was obvious that he was trying to just get out of IEM using that as an excuse. Pretty poor on his part. That would be quite the gamble. If there was no spike in crowd volume at the time he would end up humiliated and outed as a liar.Yet there's no payoff if he wins the gamble. So why would he take that gamble? But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your mindless Naniwa hatred.
what? how? how is he humiliated if he says he heard noise when there wasn't? If he doesn't care about doing probe rushes and causing fans to rage, I doubt he cares about something like that. You're sugarcoating this whole volume excuse way too much >.> I'm not a naniwa fan or hater so I don't have any reason to be bias against him.
On March 15 2014 03:05 iLikeRain wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Naniwa heard or felt something related to the crowd. Whether it made a difference in Polt's actions or not in my mind is completely irrelevant; Naniwa thought it made a difference. I'm not particularly fond of Naniwa but if I was in a bad place, tired of the game and suddenly you feel the organizers can't properly isolate the booths I'd be pretty pissed as well. You're all acting like this is super shocking or something, he clearly didn't feel like completing the games. Would a 0-3 demolish make you feel better, like really?
there's a difference between you know and you feel. This was just a way for him to leave the tourney without playing the rest of the games. That's my theory based on the timing of it.
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