On March 15 2014 02:39 Penev wrote: The only logic I can make of his behavior is that he didn't want to play but his team/ sponsor only agreed to him taking his break that he at least would play at this IEM. Why would anyone otherwise go to a tournament with that bad of a mindset? Oh well, Naniwhatever..
Yeah I have the feeling this is somehow a contract issue with Alliance or something. He forfeited many tournaments beforehand like homestory if he wasn't feeling right so it's strange for him to come here with this mindset.
Still a very sad way to handle the situation regardless ofc.
On March 15 2014 02:38 NorthernAetas wrote: I can't say I've ever been a real Naniwa fan, but everything about that 'series' made me sad. Between the childish excuses/forfeit and crowd booing, it's a shame he couldn't manage a more graceful exit on his birthday no less.
It should probably also be mentioned that Naniwa is the only person to complain about soundproofing: + Show Spoiler +
"I asked the LoL producers if they have a soundproof issue with a 6x bigger crowd: 'No'. No complaints from other SC2 players"
"Nobody wanted to single themselves out and gave a PR answer so therefore naniwa is a liar."
It should probably also be noted that is incredibly flimsy reasoning to accuse Naniwa of being a liar.
On March 15 2014 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote: Wow, this reminds me of Zidane during the world cup...
Pls don't insult our legend by comparing him to Naniwa :p
I don't think you can insult a monkey running after a ball by comparing him to someone who actually has to use his brain...
Naniwa continues to be Naniwa, and I highly doubt IEM will be his last competition. I give him half a year in a real job and he'll realize that playing vs swarm host is not the worst job you could have.
LOL. You cant be serious? Unless your racist against his African origins or something I cannot for the life of me see how you logically come to this conclusion? Perhaps try using your brain yourself? Yes... no... maybe? LOL.
You heard it here first folks... Naniwa > Zidane. THE WORLD IS IN TROUBLE.
What? My opinion of soccer/football is just extremely low. And what does your > mean? Do we have a rating of people now or some shit? You sound mad that I don't appreciate someones achievement in a field that I would like to see removed. I find it quiet interesting how you associate monkeys with Africans, now THAT does seem kinda racist to me, however I was rather referring to the "incredible" amount of intelligence required in soccer. And don't tell people to use their brain when you write like a 12-year-old.
Tactical nous at the professional level of football requires as much strategic prep and foresight as starcraft 2. Maybe not brood war tho :-). I apologize I assumed as a German youd have more perspective regarding your national sport but hey, to each his own. As a person of color Im allowed to make that distinction because with my own personal experience I was called that in relation to my skill color not my fondness for bananas, which ironically, I particularly like.
On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote: If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses.
I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you?
Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you???
He certainly gave his all today.
Your memory is one-day long or what?
Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep.
On March 15 2014 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote: Wow, this reminds me of Zidane during the world cup...
Pls don't insult our legend by comparing him to Naniwa :p
I don't think you can insult a monkey running after a ball by comparing him to someone who actually has to use his brain...
Naniwa continues to be Naniwa, and I highly doubt IEM will be his last competition. I give him half a year in a real job and he'll realize that playing vs swarm host is not the worst job you could have.
LOL. You cant be serious? Unless your racist against his African origins or something I cannot for the life of me see how you logically come to this conclusion? Perhaps try using your brain yourself? Yes... no... maybe? LOL.
You heard it here first folks... Naniwa > Zidane. THE WORLD IS IN TROUBLE.
What? My opinion of soccer/football is just extremely low. And what does your > mean? Do we have a rating of people now or some shit? You sound mad that I don't appreciate someones achievement in a field that I would like to see removed. I find it quiet interesting how you associate monkeys with Africans, now THAT does seem kinda racist to me, however I was rather referring to the "incredible" amount of intelligence required in soccer. And don't tell people to use their brain when you write like a 12-year-old.
If you don't think soccer requires brain, strategy, and coordination, you should probably refrain from typing.
On March 15 2014 02:09 Headnoob wrote: Pretty pathetic that soundproofing isn't something that's been addressed in years.
There is no soundproofing issue. NaNi's trying to stir shit up on his way out, nothing more.
With ESL history of not-so-perfect tournament conditions I would not rule out a sound issue. It would not be the first time players can hear the crowd / casters, especially if it gets realy loud.
On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote: If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses.
I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you?
Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you???
He certainly gave his all today.
Your memory is one-day long or what?
Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep.
You said yourself that wanting to win is everything in professional competition. Naniwa obviously didn't give his all to win.
He's a very young guy mentally, at least in some aspects i can see. Let him express what he wants without the constant scrutiny and dramatization.
He basically said that the community should celebrate or support him more than they have, while somewhere else he said that everything comes second to winning.
The fact that he's expressing himself differently every which way is quite a tell for how troubled he is about the whole pro-gaming deal with StarCraft. I say troubled, but maybe it's not a big deal to him in the end.
On March 15 2014 02:09 Headnoob wrote: Pretty pathetic that soundproofing isn't something that's been addressed in years.
There is no soundproofing issue. NaNi's trying to stir shit up on his way out, nothing more.
With ESL history of not-so-perfect tournament conditions I would not rule out a sound issue. It would not be the first time players can hear the crowd / casters, especially if it gets realy loud.
On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote: If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses.
I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you?
Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you???
He certainly gave his all today.
Your memory is one-day long or what?
Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep.
You said yourself that wanting to win is everything in professional competition. Naniwa obviously didn't give his all to win.
On March 15 2014 02:09 Headnoob wrote: Pretty pathetic that soundproofing isn't something that's been addressed in years.
There is no soundproofing issue. NaNi's trying to stir shit up on his way out, nothing more.
With ESL history of not-so-perfect tournament conditions I would not rule out a sound issue. It would not be the first time players can hear the crowd / casters, especially if it gets realy loud.
From the perspective of someone who has difficulty handling public opinion and the wall of noise that the internet presents to you 24/7, I see Naniwa let it affect his work far too much and that makes him ineffective as his job. At that point it becomes a waste of time to try and continue. You are ruining your health both physically and mentally but you're also failing at your job. Nobody is winning in that scenario and you drive your reputation into the ground. If you're doing shitty things and still being a success then great, that's something you can at least work with but when you're not even trying to win games and announcing publicly on Twitter that you don't practice, it's obvious you're in a rut that is not going to be easy to get out of.
From the perspective of a tournament organiser. Forfeits have hurt my events and my sponsors in the past. We also had one of our players forfeit in a 2012 event in the losers bracket, which I did not approve of and the team management took full responsibility for, but has since never happened again. When it comes to an event of this magnitude, forfeiting is completely unacceptable. It's winner takes all, it's an extremely hard tournament to get into, many players would kill for the shot that Naniwa didn't even bother to aim much less take. Any of my guys would have got on a plane right then and there to go and take on Polt and would have at least put up a good fight. Forfeiting the biggest event of the year (potentially) in front of one of our biggest crowds who paid actual money to go and see you play? There is no respect or sympathy to be found in that behavior and it hurts everyone and everything. It is toxic to the scene. Anytime something like this happens we take steps back, steps that were hard earned by the people who dedicate their lives to building this scene and making it a success. In a time of uncertainty, this is the last thing we need. This forfeit affected the integrity of the event, gave Polt a free pass to the RO8 that he didn't earn and pissed off the entire bloody crowd who rightfully booed as a result.
I hope this will be his last event, for the sake of his health firstly, but for the health of the scene as a whole.
On March 15 2014 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote: Wow, this reminds me of Zidane during the world cup...
Pls don't insult our legend by comparing him to Naniwa :p
I don't think you can insult a monkey running after a ball by comparing him to someone who actually has to use his brain...
Naniwa continues to be Naniwa, and I highly doubt IEM will be his last competition. I give him half a year in a real job and he'll realize that playing vs swarm host is not the worst job you could have.
LOL. You cant be serious? Unless your racist against his African origins or something I cannot for the life of me see how you logically come to this conclusion? Perhaps try using your brain yourself? Yes... no... maybe? LOL.
You heard it here first folks... Naniwa > Zidane. THE WORLD IS IN TROUBLE.
What? My opinion of soccer/football is just extremely low. And what does your > mean? Do we have a rating of people now or some shit? You sound mad that I don't appreciate someones achievement in a field that I would like to see removed. I find it quiet interesting how you associate monkeys with Africans, now THAT does seem kinda racist to me, however I was rather referring to the "incredible" amount of intelligence required in soccer. And don't tell people to use their brain when you write like a 12-year-old.
Calling Zidane a "monkey running after a ball" is pretty damn stupid, regardless of your opinion about football.
Oh don't worry I don't care whether it's this "Zidane" guy (whoever he is) or any other football player, they are all the same to me
rofl
pls post more, i like your bait lol
on topic, im still oblivious to why/how idra and naniwa has such large fan base
On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote: If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses.
I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you?
Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you???
He certainly gave his all today.
Your memory is one-day long or what?
Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep.
You said yourself that wanting to win is everything in professional competition. Naniwa obviously didn't give his all to win.
Do you even understand what I write?
Because said competitor has a history of competing we should give him/her a pass whenever we feel like it? When has that ever happened in TL. Idra, BratOK, Taeja, Demuslim, the lot have all been criticized when they haven't given their all.
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