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On March 15 2014 03:17 Iceman331 wrote:
So much hate in this thread. Naniwa was entirely within his rights to do what he did. You can disagree with the decision, but if he raised an issue with the admin and the admin (presumably) failed or refused to resolve it to his satisfaction, forfeiting isn't all that unreasonable.
It's definitely not unreasonable in a winner takes all tournament. Seriously, any little thing could cost the entire prize pool. People just need to imagine it's the final, and the entire $100k was on the line.
What would you think if it had been game 1 of the final final, one player cheeses, the crowd gives it away.
The outrage would NOT be against the player. People would be raging so hard at ESL/IEM. So hard.
Yet because it's round 1 and Naniwa and he's not wanting to play the game anyway, he makes a heated decision and everyone rages against him instead.
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On March 15 2014 03:13 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:09 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 03:02 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:55 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:43 Whatson wrote:
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Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. LOL there's a crowd. Of course there'll be noise. It's really not that hard of a conclusion to make. On March 15 2014 02:55 Chewbacca. wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. Or maybe he realizes that the crowd has always cheered when they see stuff like proxies from the very first SC tournaments? On March 15 2014 02:57 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. you realize that it's a live event, right? cmon, no need to make excuses for him. If other players complained about sound issues, then I would agree with you but he's the only one to complain. It was obvious that he was trying to just get out of IEM using that as an excuse. Pretty poor on his part. That would be quite the gamble. If there was no spike in crowd volume at the time he would end up humiliated and outed as a liar.Yet there's no payoff if he wins the gamble. So why would he take that gamble? But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your mindless Naniwa hatred. what? how? how is he humiliated if he says he heard noise when there wasn't? If he doesn't care about doing probe rushes and causing fans to rage, I doubt he cares about something like that. You're sugarcoating this whole volume excuse way too much >.> I'm not a naniwa fan or hater so I don't have any reason to be bias against him. On March 15 2014 03:05 iLikeRain wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Naniwa heard or felt something related to the crowd. Whether it made a difference in Polt's actions or not in my mind is completely irrelevant; Naniwa thought it made a difference. I'm not particularly fond of Naniwa but if I was in a bad place, tired of the game and suddenly you feel the organizers can't properly isolate the booths I'd be pretty pissed as well. You're all acting like this is super shocking or something, he clearly didn't feel like completing the games. Would a 0-3 demolish make you feel better, like really? there's a difference between you know and you feel. This was just a way for him to leave the tourney without playing the rest of the games. That's my theory based on the timing of it. He would be caught in an outrageous and embarrassing lie. It's not a gamble anyone would take. The payoff is nonexistant and the loss would be huge. He correctly identified the noise because he heard it. That's the only rational explanation. It has already been established the soundproofing had no impact on the game as Polt used the same scouting pattern as always and didn't change anything in reaction to the noise. So I don't care about the "excuse" at all. I am just calling people out on the fact that their irrational hatred of Naniwa is causing them to call him a liar when common sense suggests he is not lying.
what loss? he has nothing to lose from what he did. He already said he wasn't practicing and was planning to go on indefinite leave, aka likely retire after this so it wouldn't affect him in the least. He's had a habit of being controversial so this would've just been added to the list and nothing more. You're giving him a lot of credit. When no one else found an issue with the booths(not just SCII but also LoL) and the guy is known for whining and such, I would not trust his opinion on something like this. I'm not hating on Naniwa but I disagree that it's common sense that he is not lying.
On March 15 2014 03:19 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:17 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. You were always making a bad image of Naniwa, now you claim that you were a fan? The competition is above it all, and so is Naniwa, because he's just a servant of competition. The competition is and always was the first. Fans are just the second. Without fans there will be no competition. Who will organize events which no one will want to watch?
it's actually funny he wrote that because I've always seen Zealously as a Naniwa fan.
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On March 15 2014 03:22 NeThZOR wrote:
"joke tournament" guys
Correct, it is.
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On March 15 2014 03:13 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:09 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 03:02 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:55 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. LOL there's a crowd. Of course there'll be noise. It's really not that hard of a conclusion to make. On March 15 2014 02:55 Chewbacca. wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. Or maybe he realizes that the crowd has always cheered when they see stuff like proxies from the very first SC tournaments? On March 15 2014 02:57 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. you realize that it's a live event, right? cmon, no need to make excuses for him. If other players complained about sound issues, then I would agree with you but he's the only one to complain. It was obvious that he was trying to just get out of IEM using that as an excuse. Pretty poor on his part. That would be quite the gamble. If there was no spike in crowd volume at the time he would end up humiliated and outed as a liar.Yet there's no payoff if he wins the gamble. So why would he take that gamble? But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your mindless Naniwa hatred. what? how? how is he humiliated if he says he heard noise when there wasn't? If he doesn't care about doing probe rushes and causing fans to rage, I doubt he cares about something like that. You're sugarcoating this whole volume excuse way too much >.> I'm not a naniwa fan or hater so I don't have any reason to be bias against him. On March 15 2014 03:05 iLikeRain wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Naniwa heard or felt something related to the crowd. Whether it made a difference in Polt's actions or not in my mind is completely irrelevant; Naniwa thought it made a difference. I'm not particularly fond of Naniwa but if I was in a bad place, tired of the game and suddenly you feel the organizers can't properly isolate the booths I'd be pretty pissed as well. You're all acting like this is super shocking or something, he clearly didn't feel like completing the games. Would a 0-3 demolish make you feel better, like really? there's a difference between you know and you feel. This was just a way for him to leave the tourney without playing the rest of the games. That's my theory based on the timing of it. He would be caught in an outrageous and embarrassing lie. It's not a gamble anyone would take. The payoff is nonexistant and the loss would be huge. He correctly identified the noise because he heard it. That's the only rational explanation. It has already been established the soundproofing had no impact on the game as Polt used the same scouting pattern as always and didn't change anything in reaction to the noise. So I don't care about the "excuse" at all. I am just calling people out on the fact that their irrational hatred of Naniwa is causing them to call him a liar when common sense suggests he is not lying.
Even if I don't hear a sound, if someone tells me "the engine is roaring" I can imagine a sound - the sound of an engine roaring. It may not be perfect, but I did imagine it. Imagine an SCV scouts your proxy gateway rush, and your world starts to shrink from rationality to feeling. You feel a vibration in your toes. This must be the crowd going completely apeshit. You can imagine the racket now - it roars in your head:
"Polt, Naniwa's proxy is at co-ordinate (X,Y)! The world wants Naniwa to lose! Follow our screams! Find the hidden building!"
Yup, common sense; even in my imagination it sounds fucking stupid....
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On March 15 2014 03:13 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? They agreed to the players the moment they paid for the tickets for the show. And he robbed them of the show they wanted to watch. And without the audience there would be no e-sports = no Naniwa.
The tickets were free. Can you send the a copy of the contract saying "you must play" or you are just making it up?
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I guess the guy who wrote the script for IdrA still works at EG.
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On March 15 2014 03:25 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:13 Roman666 wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? They agreed to the players the moment they paid for the tickets for the show. And he robbed them of the show they wanted to watch. And without the audience there would be no e-sports = no Naniwa. The tickets were free. Can you send the a copy of the contract saying "you must play" or you are just making it up?
I am not sure if you understood what I wrote. Cool off.
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Well, this was the way Nani was destined to leave the scene to welp.
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ahah classic naniwa , how to go out on an even worst note of mannerism and class ,like idra said , he is a sociopath it is pretty proven now.
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On March 15 2014 03:22 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:19 Roman666 wrote:On March 15 2014 03:17 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. You were always making a bad image of Naniwa, now you claim that you were a fan? The competition is above it all, and so is Naniwa, because he's just a servant of competition. The competition is and always was the first. Fans are just the second. Without fans there will be no competition. Who will organize events which no one will want to watch? Let's face it. Competition is first. People want to compete even if there is no fans. Then, if you want to have money in the competition, then you need to add the second component, i.e., fans.
so people will play 10+ hr a day of a game when there is no money on the line which means that unless they are living somewhere where everything is paid for, it's all for nothing? please, don't kid yourself. I'm not saying that you can't play a game competitively if you want but no one in their right mind would play a game competitively unless they had some source of income either from the game or the side so that they are able to still live their life. If Naniwa was truly playing to be competitive, then he would've played the bo5 and either won or lost and not forfeit over what he claims to be a sound issue.
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On March 15 2014 03:13 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:09 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 03:02 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:55 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. LOL there's a crowd. Of course there'll be noise. It's really not that hard of a conclusion to make. On March 15 2014 02:55 Chewbacca. wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. Or maybe he realizes that the crowd has always cheered when they see stuff like proxies from the very first SC tournaments? On March 15 2014 02:57 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. you realize that it's a live event, right? cmon, no need to make excuses for him. If other players complained about sound issues, then I would agree with you but he's the only one to complain. It was obvious that he was trying to just get out of IEM using that as an excuse. Pretty poor on his part. That would be quite the gamble. If there was no spike in crowd volume at the time he would end up humiliated and outed as a liar.Yet there's no payoff if he wins the gamble. So why would he take that gamble? But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your mindless Naniwa hatred. what? how? how is he humiliated if he says he heard noise when there wasn't? If he doesn't care about doing probe rushes and causing fans to rage, I doubt he cares about something like that. You're sugarcoating this whole volume excuse way too much >.> I'm not a naniwa fan or hater so I don't have any reason to be bias against him. On March 15 2014 03:05 iLikeRain wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Naniwa heard or felt something related to the crowd. Whether it made a difference in Polt's actions or not in my mind is completely irrelevant; Naniwa thought it made a difference. I'm not particularly fond of Naniwa but if I was in a bad place, tired of the game and suddenly you feel the organizers can't properly isolate the booths I'd be pretty pissed as well. You're all acting like this is super shocking or something, he clearly didn't feel like completing the games. Would a 0-3 demolish make you feel better, like really? there's a difference between you know and you feel. This was just a way for him to leave the tourney without playing the rest of the games. That's my theory based on the timing of it. He would be caught in an outrageous and embarrassing lie. It's not a gamble anyone would take. The payoff is nonexistant and the loss would be huge. He correctly identified the noise because he heard it. That's the only rational explanation. It has already been established the soundproofing had no impact on the game as Polt used the same scouting pattern as always and didn't change anything in reaction to the noise. So I don't care about the "excuse" at all. I am just calling people out on the fact that their irrational hatred of Naniwa is causing them to call him a liar when common sense suggests he is not lying.
Same scouting pattern why has it been established ? i went back and checked polts scouting just since doing a proxy like that randomly is wierd. Do you know what the vods from cologne had for info ? a polt going straight from his base to the other starting spots every game and series until the very last game where he did a slight variation. Now hear the crowd as you get scouted by a guy that last tourney slightly scouted for proxies 1 game out of 20 games and say you would not be mad over sound proofing after that.
Still bad choice not playing out the series.
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On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:
I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?
How about you read the thread OP, then? Why are you even posting in the thread if you don't know what everyone is complaining about?
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This definitely sucks. I feel bad for Naniwa, he's obviously burned out. At the same time, that's no excuse for his behavior.
The fans are the biggest losers here. They were cheated out of a great series.
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On March 15 2014 03:23 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:17 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. You were always making a bad image of Naniwa, now you claim that you were a fan? The competition is above it all, and so is Naniwa, because he's just a servant of competition. The competition is and always was the first. Fans are just the second. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/334324-were-not-all-nationalists (written two years ago) I know you were upset about the way I wrote Naniwa's Road to Blizzcon entry, but please cut the bullshit about me not being a fan. You're so far off you're making yourself look like a fool. I am a fan and I have been for years - that you think otherwise does not make it so. Also, you say that competition is above all, and yet you think it's fine when Naniwa spits in the face of competition by throwing game one, complaining about a non-issue and then forfeiting? What kind of competition is that?
All right, I think it's clear why I called you not a fan. Thanks for the link though.
Naniwa currently is out of this competition. He clearly said it before IEM. This, however, doesn't take away from him all what he earned and all what he contributed to this competition in the last years. Period. He was a servant. He is no more.
There was a player that we followed in SC2. There is no more. Let's accept it and move on without shitting on this player like headless sheep.
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on another note im really sorry for him (Naniwa), he was a star, a celebrity in sc2, he could do stuff like he did and still people want to pay him, loved him.
now when he retires and will get a "normal" job - welcome to the real world...
gl anyway Naniwa it was fun as always.
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On March 15 2014 03:31 Durin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:13 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 03:09 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 03:02 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:55 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:
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Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. LOL there's a crowd. Of course there'll be noise. It's really not that hard of a conclusion to make. On March 15 2014 02:55 Chewbacca. wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:
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Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. Or maybe he realizes that the crowd has always cheered when they see stuff like proxies from the very first SC tournaments? On March 15 2014 02:57 BigFan wrote:On March 15 2014 02:54 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 HellNino wrote:On March 15 2014 02:51 Zaqwe wrote:On March 15 2014 02:49 Whatson wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 Zaqwe wrote:
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Naniwa was in the booth and heard the crowd. So he says. There's no reason to believe he is lying. In fact if there were no soundproofing issue he would have no way to know there was noise. QED. It's impossible for him to be lying. or maybe he lies to save what rest of his reputation? If all the other people that played/tested the booth didnt hear a thing, then maybe the liar is the only guy arguing otherwise? Won't miss the guy. He would have no way to know there was noise, unless he heard noise. Either he is psychic or there's a soundproofing issue. you realize that it's a live event, right? cmon, no need to make excuses for him. If other players complained about sound issues, then I would agree with you but he's the only one to complain. It was obvious that he was trying to just get out of IEM using that as an excuse. Pretty poor on his part. That would be quite the gamble. If there was no spike in crowd volume at the time he would end up humiliated and outed as a liar.Yet there's no payoff if he wins the gamble. So why would he take that gamble? But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your mindless Naniwa hatred. what? how? how is he humiliated if he says he heard noise when there wasn't? If he doesn't care about doing probe rushes and causing fans to rage, I doubt he cares about something like that. You're sugarcoating this whole volume excuse way too much >.> I'm not a naniwa fan or hater so I don't have any reason to be bias against him. On March 15 2014 03:05 iLikeRain wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Naniwa heard or felt something related to the crowd. Whether it made a difference in Polt's actions or not in my mind is completely irrelevant; Naniwa thought it made a difference. I'm not particularly fond of Naniwa but if I was in a bad place, tired of the game and suddenly you feel the organizers can't properly isolate the booths I'd be pretty pissed as well. You're all acting like this is super shocking or something, he clearly didn't feel like completing the games. Would a 0-3 demolish make you feel better, like really? there's a difference between you know and you feel. This was just a way for him to leave the tourney without playing the rest of the games. That's my theory based on the timing of it. He would be caught in an outrageous and embarrassing lie. It's not a gamble anyone would take. The payoff is nonexistant and the loss would be huge. He correctly identified the noise because he heard it. That's the only rational explanation. It has already been established the soundproofing had no impact on the game as Polt used the same scouting pattern as always and didn't change anything in reaction to the noise. So I don't care about the "excuse" at all. I am just calling people out on the fact that their irrational hatred of Naniwa is causing them to call him a liar when common sense suggests he is not lying. Same scouting pattern why has it been established ? i went back and checked polts scouting just since doing a proxy like that randomly is wierd. Do you know what the vods from cologne had for info ? a polt going straight from his base to the other starting spots every game and series until the very last game where he did a slight variation. Now hear the crowd as you get scouted by a guy that last tourney slightly scouted for proxies 1 game out of 20 games and say you would not be mad over sound proofing after that. Still bad choice not playing out the series.
Okay. I didn't watch the game and I didn't watch any of Polt's previous games. I was just going off what I heard in this thread.
Regardless I am not even arguing about whether the soundproofing issue was a factor in the loss.
I only posted to point out what a ludicrous stretch of believability it is to accuse Naniwa of lying about the soundproofing.
He correctly identified a spike in crowd volume. The only logical explanation for that is he heard the crowd. Any other conclusion is on par with moon landing conspiracy theories. He heard the crowd. Period.
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Naniwa has done many things that he shouldn't have, but you guys should at least hope for him to get better. Naniwa is clearly a troubled individual. I hope he is able to overcome his issues and live a blessed life.
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In my own opinion NaNiwa is beyond egocentric when it comes to being a progamer. Players like Hasuobs and Jaedong wouldve killed to be in his spot. Also it is NOT okay for him to do whatever he wants. He was INVITED to an event where there was a limited amount of players for a prize pool of 100k. If he wants to be a crybaby about life than it would've been better for him to not show up at all.
So long NaNiwa hopefully I never have to see your face on a stream again.
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His problems root deeper than just sc2.
Good luck with that attitude in life!
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It's so refreshing to have some one cut through bullshit and just quit to make a statement. Shame he retires  Naniwa = Truth, and the truth hurts.
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